RE:Intentions right...players faulty
by Shalini Banerjee on Apr 03, 2007 02:34 PM Permalink
If u know that they should go, u should also know who should come in their place??
For days I must say...I have been waiting for some1 to make sense out of our loss and write similar sense (and not bashing) on this forum.
Finally I must say, we have you, writing this thoughtprovoking article. Your observations manifest the cricket genius which shud exist in every cricket lover. Great work ...keep it up
RE:Excellent article
by Jaideep Nandi on Apr 03, 2007 02:24 PM Permalink
I am sorry Vinay, perhaps you could make more sense out of the article than I did. I could not figure out what was Chappell's responsibility from the article. Wherever, our players failed seemed to have been their own responsibility. None were Chappell's. The fact that we have lost one of our most promising bowlers (Pathan) to experimentation seems, according to the author, more due to Pathan;s foolishness than Chappell's error in judgement. What is the precise job of the coach ? Perhaps you understood something that I did not.
RE:Excellent article
by Harish Bhatia on Apr 03, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
Jaideep - You said it !! Lavkare has not grown despite decades of writing. Same meaningless "journalism" over the years. The least Lavkare could do was to identify a real cause. As an example - 99.9 % cricket analysts, lovers of the game would testify Irfan Pathan is a superior player to any one like Agarkar. But as always, Lav-Kare does not bother uski writing ko koi Love-Kare ya nahi. His drab article above concludes nothing.
The author's article has left me puzzled. It seems nothing is Chappel's responsibility - Not to get Irfan back to the bowler he was, not to get our bowlers to finish the opposition's tail, and so on. These are what these players are supposed to achieve on their own. Why then, one wonders, have Chappel ? To create rift amongst players and leak inflammatory messages to the media ? Surely we can find one in a population of billion to do that for us. And at considerably lower consideration at that.
My fear is, in trying to go against the tide the author lost perspective. We will still need to call a spade a spade. Chappel was an outstanding cricketer. He is a poor coach. Earlier we accpet this, better for Indian cricket!
Last point - That idiot box Srikkanth was the 30-40 run opener who was the highest scorer (amongst players of both sides) in the finals of both the WC 1983 and the World Championship of Cricket in 1985, the only two major multi nation tournaments won by India.
RE:RE:Perspective
by h r on Apr 03, 2007 02:38 PM Permalink
srikanth and sehwag will win u 1 match in 10. Jayasurya,fleming will win 3-4 /10.
How can u say chappel is poor coach? India went on to make 17 consecutive successful chases under him n won their first test in RSA with him(also a series win in WI)
U guys want a scapegoat, so make chappel one. Do u realise this fact?
The author has correctly hit upon imprtant facts. Pathan loosing his bowling prowess cos of batting just shows his lack of awareness in bowling. Bajji never seemes a grt spinner like a warne or murali. Powar on other hand has acclaimed great praise from all quarters. He looks like getting a wicket evry over.
What wrong has author said?
Infact i think Indians lack of ability to adapt to fast n really slow wickets caused them defeat. They utterly failed in RSA one-day series and so too in West-Indies before that.
Slam bang is not the way on really slow tracks.I'm not saying cricketers r to be blamed..i'm saying one shud understand the real facts n try to rectify defects. A spade is a spade right..!! Stop looking for scapegoats, if u can't think clearly be silent ...don't say dumb shi*
I think all discussions and arguments, for and against, are useless and serve no purpose. By dint of your particular brand of logic, you can conclude anything and all conclusions would appear to be right on the surface. The hard fact is that our team has lost shamefully and the team leaders, whether responsible or not as per their own reasoning, should leave immediately on moral grounds without waiting for the results of the postmortem.
Our players like Saurav Ganguly, Sachin tendulkar, Ajit Agarkar, play for themselves , not for our Country, then what chappell can do for them, he is innocent and not responsible for defeat, if we want to win the world cup, then give more chanse to youngsters rather than these selfish and wrong attitute players
RE:Chappell is right
by George Fernandes on Apr 03, 2007 02:21 PM Permalink
Why only Ganguli, Tendulkar & Agarkar? Even Sehwag, Dhoni & Harbhajan play for themselves
You cant win world cup with team of sixers(chakkon ki team) . What greg will do? remove sehwag , ganguly , harbhajan . bring Kaif , raina and few good fast bowlers ( I have heard some deaf and dumb guy) . anyone doing politics must be out of team ganguly is pakka politician . He brought crowd at calcutta airport , so that he could be captain again . Remove all politician from board pawar is sugarcane man...what he is doing in cricket .
RE:Greg Not responsible
by Meghnath Das on Apr 03, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
tu kisiko gaali de kar kya yeh dikhana chahta hai ke tera family background kya hai ?
Is it the coach, or the captain or the selectors? Or all the players? It is useless to blame a part of the players in the name of seniors or mafia etc. After all the team was selected by the selection board in consultation with the coach and the captain. Then what went wrong? Coaching? Leadership of the captain? Wrong selection? What the coach, the captain or the selection board did then? Instead of playing blame game let one of the three take the responsibility. Let all of them stop playing politics.
RE:Who is responsible for Indian cricket disaster?
by Harit Sharma on Apr 03, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
well do you think the BCCI ppl ever do listen to wat others hav to say....
My heartiest congrtaulations to Mr Lavkare. Finally someone from media has stood up and openly spoken against the team. Some times i wonder the media is like pendulum . It swings the way it wants to. They never take sides.
Billion of Indian fans acorss the globe have seen how India was beaten by likes of Bangladesh .We all can judge as to how our players played that day.There was absolute no commitment ,focus and hunger to win the match.Why blame should be put on Chappell ?
Forget about poor reflexes of Sachin. If he is a great batsman atleast he should have stayed there for 50 overs.By making a comeback Ganguly has not done a favour on anyone. There was no meaning in his half century as it was scored very slowly and also to prove a point that he can bat. thats a selfish attitude.The less I talk abut others its better.
I am sure the Board , the media and the people of this country will never learn from their mistakes.We had a good coach in Chappell, but at the end of day he will have to go and the SENIOR players will win the battle in ousting him and Indian cricket will reach where it is.." IN THE DUMPS"
RE:How true...
by swapnoneel mukherjee on Apr 03, 2007 02:19 PM Permalink
Please u should check your stats if u say Greg Chappel is a good coach. Why blame ganguly he was out of the team for most of the time and dont forget without his 50 indian batsmen selected by MR GREG CHAPPEL would have scored just 100 and who will replace Ganguly .. RAINA ??? who does not even score 10 runs ?????
RE:How true...
by avishek roy on Apr 03, 2007 02:35 PM Permalink
My Dear Bharat , If u have followed the total episode the I think u'll also agree that ganguly came back into the team not because his great batting ( though now he is very consistent ) , but because the ppl beyond Ganguly failed miserably in WI, Malayasia, Champions trophy and SA consistenly . TO save them from more blushes Ganguly has been recalled , He tried his bit but the others beyond ganguly continued with same magical form and India came out as second best ( from behind ) just after Bermuda . Now tell me will sacking Ganguly will solve the purpose ??? I'm sure Team GC RD will continue from where they left ... Regards Avishek
RE:How true...
by swapnoneel mukherjee on Apr 03, 2007 02:22 PM Permalink
Chappel does not even have international cricketing coaching experience.. if he is so good how come his own country never selected him for coaching its bcoz they knw he is media savy and a crazy guy...
RE:How true...
by Meghnath Das on Apr 03, 2007 02:38 PM Permalink
Don't put your absurd logic here. What Chappel installed in the team is not the cricket but the sense of insecurity, mistrust and fallibility amongst the player. For just few sudden success within the country, we started judging him the GOD of Indian cricket. You are still in that phase. Come out of it quickly.
