As being a coach, he can bring horses (our players) to the pond, which he has done at his best, however our horses didn't drink the water in the pond. This is not the coach's mistake rather our horses mistake. Don't point fingers on one another. Collectively all the players should face the consequences of their poor performances.
RE:How is Chappel responsible???
by bharat on Apr 03, 2007 04:49 PM Permalink
The problem that all our horses don't agree to drink the same water! Each horse has his own preference. In such a case, the coach must make extensive use of the whip!
Its our team who is good for nothing...What is the role of coach at this level...Coach is there to find mistakes in ur technique and helps u to remove some mental blockades...at such a high level he can only show u what is correct and what is not...but ultimately the players hav to learn themselves and correct their mistakes...but I dont think Indian team do that...none of them is physically fit...for instance look at the football/Hockey players, how much effort they put...take the case of Haydon/Jayasuriya...even if their shots mistime, still it crosses the boundary for six...and our players...they can't hit four and sixes...and off late they forget how to play a shot...they just stand there without any feet movement...dont know how to defend 120-130 kph balls...and then throw their wickets after 5-10 mins...look at the Jayasuriya's innings yestday against WI...and u know what is class and what is bakwaas
The team has failed miserably. Its players are certainly responsible. Board also has to atke reposibility. Why the coach also should not be responsible? 18 months he got- he made some drastic changes with the help of that j.... called Kiran More. Won some matches in the favourable condition in India. but has done little since the Pakistan tour...and as has been mentioned by some readers the so called seniors were not there in all these tours...it is the failures of the Chappell's young brigade that brought back the seniors. And Mr Lavakare thinks Chappell is not responsible for anything then why he is there- do we need any coach or manager then? Anyway I have never found much logic in his columns in Rediff.
RE:How is Chappell NOT responsible?
by K Mohanan on Apr 03, 2007 05:03 PM Permalink
Re : Not Chappel, but Ganguly is responsible!
The real culprit behind Indian Teams non-performance is only Ganguly. He plays all the dirty politics in the team. His return to the team was unwanted.
Ganguly's comeback was not bcos of his performance...but bcos of others' non-performance...the fact is "our team is worth Bhoosa"...see WC matches now and see other teams' batsman...particularly Jayasuriya...our players are pathetic...
RE:Ganguly's comeback - biggest farce
by bharat on Apr 03, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
Agreed. His performance is not convincing at all to conclude that he has really made a successful comeback. To do that, he has to play atleast a couple of big innings (at a good strike rate) against quality bowling attacks. Only then can one conclude that he is truly back. Until then Ganguly will remain on trial.
RE:RE:Ganguly's comeback - biggest farce
by bharat on Apr 03, 2007 04:45 PM Permalink
Tell me which finger should I point? The same one as Chappel did at you fellows at Kolkatta?
rightly said by arvind the players think they are doing a service/favour to the nation when it is the othe way
and if all these players have some sense of shame they should play free for one year if not two
their ego is too big and they think this is a game and losing is part of it and before they put up a fight they are conditioned to accpt defeat but other teams like australia,new zealand, s africa and lanka will fight till end
it may be a gme but you fight till the end and then lose indians will understand but your mentality is it is a game and wait for the luck to change in your favour so it wont happen most of the times
think every game is like war and it is the question of survivl then you will play well like australia and others
meanwhile we hiped so much about chappel but he is not worth 1/100 what he boasted about
our gavaskar ,shastri got vowed and selected him but moody would have made a better coacg=h and we would be in the final alas
As we have been hearing that there is meeting of BCCI on 6th and 7th to DISCUSS abt indian performance.I think nothing will happen at all.U take my word one or 2 players will be warned in the meeting and Greg might continue as coach if he shuts his mouth.If he does not say anything abt senior players terrorising juniors ,he may continue his job.He is earning almost half a crore per year as salary,Why he would want to leave it.If he goes back to Australia i doubt whether he has got a job there.So guys dn't waste your time and energy NOTHING MAJOR WILL HAPPEN TO INDIA's CRICKETERS.They will continue endorsing Products and will continue to leach indian team. Good luck to People out there who are voicing against FLOP Cricketers.
RE:Don't expect any miracles
by on Apr 03, 2007 04:32 PM Permalink
You got it right mate. I will tell you what will happen. Uthappa will be replaced will be Gautam Gambir, Dhoni will be demoted to No.2 and Kaarthik will be first keeper for a while (after 2 series, it will be vice-versa again). Harbhajan will be replaced by Powar (vice-versa again after 2 series), Kaif & Raina will be in & out as usual.....Nothing else is going to happen
RE:Don't expect any miracles
by bharat on Apr 03, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
BCCI cannot be trusted to carry out this enquiry or discussion on their own. The Ministry of Sports should nominate a 2 experienced ex cricketers to attend the BCCI hearing on their behalf to assess whether BCCI is handling this matter appropriately. Given BCCI's past reputation they may just try to hush up the matter. An honest enquiry into the world cup debacle followed by suitable actions are very vital if Indian cricket has to get back on track.
4 years back, India reached the final of world cup. Our players were heros. The team was one and only one: team India.
After 4 years, the team made an exit at 1st round. The same players are now 'mafias'. The team, it is said, is divided into groups. What had happened in between?
Well, one thing I know: Greg Chappell.
Why is he responsible for sloppy reflex of Sachin or slow feet of Saurav? Well, that's a lame excuse. World cup loss is not THE THING. It is just ONE OF THE THINGS. India, under full control of Chappell, had made exits in 1st round of Champion's trophy and DLF cup and also lost miserably in W. Indies and S. Africa. Saurav was not present, sometimes Sachin was also not present and Chappell's fleet-footed boy Raina WAS PRESENT. But that didn't stop disaster.
If one wants to write about sins of Chappell, it needs a book. Let me tell one: he unnecessarily made an artificial issue of senior vs. junior. The net result was the humiliation and demoralisation of the seniors and the sense of insecurity among the juniors.
His call for "young blood" was basically a hoax. For all the noise about "old feet" in world cup, Indian team was younger than Australia, New Zeland, South Africa and Sri Lanka both in terms of average age and no. of 30 plus players. The only team above India in ICC ODI rating that is younger is Pakistan and they did even worse! This only shows that no team of worth just cry hoarse about "young legs". Rather, they take the best, young and old, and the coach then train them to best possible fitness. Moody did that with two more 30 pluses than us. He even made Murli an acceptable fielder.
And for all the 'sloppiness', it's the seniors who are performing for India. E.g., in last 10 innings, averages of Saurav is 56, Sachin 45, Rahul 53, Dhoni 46, Yuvraj 38, Sehwag 42 and these are the ones who played. Only 'flop' may be Uthappa, the youngest pick, with 29. Among those who didn't play but could, avearge (in last 10)of Raina is 15, Kaif 23, Karthik 19, Powar 14, Pathan 18, Venu 23, Gambhir 20 and Laxman 26. Do you think they could do better?
It's not good enough to shout slogan, the coach has responsibility to GROOM young players. Chappell ggroomed few (say, Munaf, Sree), DOOMED much more (sehwag, kaif, Pathan, Raina). And all by his divisive politics.
Indian seniors have good track record. Above stats show that even now they are performers. On the other hand, Chappell has NO SUCCESS AS YET AS COACH! He talked a lot about process, but in practice has managed to dismantle all processes and the team itself!
And if he is not responsible for ANYTHING, it's the players, well, we can then appoint Boycott's mom as coach. That will save BCCI at least Rs. 5 crores a year.
RE:Why Chappell?
by Raju Roy on Apr 03, 2007 04:24 PM Permalink
He should be sacked immediately, I do not understand our fellow brothers, that a person may be a good batsman does not mean he will be a good coach. I am in Overseas, in his own country people do not respect Greg Chappel and we are trying to retain him. Problem for our country is Gore dekha to uske piche piche all the time, not the Gore's performace. That is really really shocking. We should bring back John Right who has bring the performance for the Country and Bring Ganguly in the Front. Rahul could be a good batsman, but not a good leader, in the Field it require a leader not just typical batsman. Their is no doubt about Rahul's Batting performance. He is one of our great Player. Bring back the glory what used to be their during Ganguly's Time. Do not misunderstand that I am Ganguly's favour. We have to go with the performance and along with the statistic, which shows Ganguly is alltime successful coach. Now we should not fight as regional basis rather them united as National Team. It is very unpleasant when you are overseas and people talk about your Team, who has always big talk in their mouth and in performance they are showing Zero. What the performance of Chappel & Dravid Company for the last few years, absolutely BOGUS. Only dancing after winning the Home Series.Hope our BCCI people should see this and review the discussion group. Give some brain to our Selectors?
RE:Why Chappell?
by Vijeth CM on Apr 03, 2007 04:17 PM Permalink
"4 years back, India reached the final of world cup. Our players were heros. The team was one and only one: team India.
After 4 years, the team made an exit at 1st round. The same players are now 'mafias'. The team, it is said, is divided into groups. What had happened in between?
Well, one thing I know: Greg Chappell.
Why is he responsible for sloppy reflex of Sachin or slow feet of Saurav? Well, that's a lame excuse. World cup loss is not THE THING. It is just ONE OF THE THINGS. India, under full control of Chappell, had made exits in 1st round of Champion's trophy and DLF cup and also lost miserably in W. Indies and S. Africa. Saurav was not present, sometimes Sachin was also not present and Chappell's fleet-footed boy Raina WAS PRESENT. But that didn't stop disaster.
If one wants to write about sins of Chappell, it needs a book. Let me tell one: he unnecessarily made an artificial issue of senior vs. junior. The net result was the humiliation and demoralisation of the seniors and the sense of insecurity among the juniors.
His call for "young blood" was basically a hoax. For all the noise about "old feet" in world cup, Indian team was younger than Australia, New Zeland, South Africa and Sri Lanka both in terms of average age and no. of 30 plus players. The only team above India in ICC ODI rating that is younger is Pakistan and they did even worse! This only shows that no team of worth just cry hoarse about "young legs". Rather, they take the best, young and old, and the coach then train them to best possible fitness. Moody did that with two more 30 pluses than us. He even made Murli an acceptable fielder.
And for all the 'sloppiness', it's the seniors who are performing for India. E.g., in last 10 innings, averages of Saurav is 56, Sachin 45, Rahul 53, Dhoni 46, Yuvraj 38, Sehwag 42 and these are the ones who played. Only 'flop' may be Uthappa, the youngest pick, with 29. Among those who didn't play but could, avearge (in last 10)of Raina is 15, Kaif 23, Karthik 19, Powar 14, Pathan 18, Venu 23, Gambhir 20 and Laxman 26. Do you think they could do better?"
Averages are not enough to win matches. what matters is whether you got the runs required at the right time. the answer is "NO"!
RE:Why Chappell?
by V on Apr 03, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
You are absolutely correct. When coach is not able top groom the players available...why do we need a coach ? That can be accomplished by any senior player.
This is one of the more unbiased article i've seen on Indian Cricket. Coach is in the team only for fine tuning. Not teach a cricketer the basics which he should know at the international level. How can you blame the coach if a batsment does not take a single, or if a bowler does not bowl a wicket taking delivery? the truth is that Indian Cricket is torn in terms of region, seniority and money. Only one thing I did not feel correct is the comment on Srikanth. If one opener gets a slam bang 30-40 and the other opener sticks on through the most of the Innings, Srikanth's statement looks good. He played lot better than the current ones, didn't he?
