More u hear about the reasons for our debacle more u feel that this is all sheer crap and trash about sacking the coach or the captain Dravid. Foreget about all the so called startegy in dressing rooms , what happens when the playing eleven go to the field donnig the national clours ,they have to batting bowling or fielding to the best of their abilites and skill. What is that Sachin Dravid Saurav with thousands of runs behind them and tag of geniuses attached to them have to wait for from the dressing room to do on the field? It is clear nonsense and humbug as no player goes to the field risking his own career and brand value to settle scores with their rivals when millions r watching with rapt attention and passion to see that their team excels and fires from all their cylinders and in the same manner no coach worth his salt and more so of a calibre of Greg wud risk his worldwide reputation and image and try to create groupism in Indian cricket and damage the standard of our cricket at his own peril . No sensible person wud do these kind of trickery and chickanery unless he is the foolest feloow.My dear players, both seniors and others! Donot try seeking to shirk of ur own responsibility and pass on the blame on others. Be rational enough to admit your own blunders and create further confusion in the ranks if all of u r sincere about the change in the fortune of Indian cricket with u or without u
RE:Ridiculous
by Sameer Bhagwat on Apr 03, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
The reason India cannot do well is because of people like you. This is a very well written article and talks about how the Indian cricket team does not have a single Leander Paes in the team. They wear their National colors as if they are doing a favour on us.
Nobody is talking of risking their careers, guess you haven't read the article properly. In the Indian cricket team each player plays from himself or his bunch of loonies , so while their statistics look good, the team loses.
Sack this team get the under 19 team in, and ban commercials 4 years down the line we will have a very competitive team.
RE:Ridiculous
by sunilkumar mishra on Apr 03, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
Donot get restless my dear what I wanted is in a different cotext, I myslef have in my other columns have brought out the same views what is given in the above well written article. I believe it is a cllection of my varius view points in sports column ans cricjket cloumns if u r following u wud thought a little before passing your hasty judgement
RE:Ridiculous
by Sameer Bhagwat on Apr 03, 2007 10:05 PM Permalink
I got the meaning of your statement.
What you need to understand is the classic term Effect and Cause.
Australia play gutsy cricket ( Cause) and the result is they win most of the time ( Effect).
Indians thinks they are superstars ( cause) and their playing is a favour on us, and hence we lose miserably ( effect).
Similary Chapell and Dravid do not do things on purpose but his/their manner of doing things causes an effect which has not produced results.
Captaincy and Leadership is about Making things Happen not wonder Why it happened!! Dravid falls in the second category and that itself is a big problem!!!!!!!!
RE:Ridiculous
by sunilkumar mishra on Apr 03, 2007 10:42 PM Permalink
Hello u got a good analytical ability, but what u say now was covered by the undersigned in the column under Dravid as the astute captain a day back. In any case what we all r waiting to see is that how we get back our lost glory and pride which requires little introspection and sincerity of purpose for both the playersand the management. whole country is watching the deveopments. Only fear is that a lot of skeletons are going tuble out of the World Cupboard in afew days of intense drama to be enacted . Better Watch and see
If he is not responsible then who? Is it Vengasarkar? Is it Sharad Pawar?Is it Dravid? Is it Tendulkar? Is it selection committee? No one is going to take responsibility and every one is trying to find excuses or to pass on the responsibility on others.It is fault of we the cricket lovers who hyped this game to this extent and made these players dummy Gods.Like we neglect Hockey today lets neglect cricket and cricketers.Let us boycott these players and dont give any importance.
is it wrong to train and play new player. and indirectly telling the old onces to do better or move aside. if so then chappel is wrong. isnt it fair that if i could not do a job then move aside for others to do it. it is the right and duty of the new onces to give and show respect to the old onces, but not at the cost of national pride and on the field by giving there wickets, runs and ..... and at the end losing the winning game . if that is what we call as respecting the elders or the old onces then there is no point in wasting our time looking at some world betting idiots.
It is rubish to say that Chappell is not responsible for Indian disaster. He played poltics in the team. He even beat Indian politicians. He created differences between Ganguli and Dravid,used Dravid and More to oust Ganguli,created divisions in the team, almost finished many good players with his ulterior designs. He deliberately destroyed the Indian team as Australian team despite being on top always feared Indian team. I fail to understand what ulterior motive people like you have in supporting him. And this is the love of you peopole for such a disruptive elements that you have developed a sick mindset against Ganguli. Your one point program seems to be to support Chappel and criticise Ganguli in both cases wether he scores runs or not. Pity for people like you. Here, I will like to add that I am from Punjab and not from Bengal.
RE:How is Chappell responsible?
by Aneet Grewal on Apr 03, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
is makin 60 runs from 90 balls enough harry? u eva see ponting play an innings like that against bangladesh or bermuda...? dravid has had a better strike rate then ganguly since the 2003 world cup what does that tell you? Ganguly was a great player and leader but now he is no longer any sort of leader nor a great player.....jus an average player
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by harrycheema on Apr 03, 2007 11:18 PM Permalink
RE:How is Chappell responsible? by harrycheema on Apr 03, 2007 11:14 PM Don't decide players fate just on the basis of one innings. Just see that he has scored about 5 fifties in last 7 innings and he is under pressure to score almost everytime he goes to bat because of the treatment he received for about a year. Also don't forget that he is not Sehwag who will retain his place in the team even if he does not score for months. Anyway, so far this particular inning is concerned it was a day when the whole team suffered due to some extraordinary play by the rival team(which sometime happens). Even here Ganguli scored 60 runs. We should rather appreciate his effort when all other members failed to deliver. And so far as slow run rate is concerned, if Ganguli scored 60 runs of 90 balls what did the rest stroke players did? They scored about 130 runs of other 210 balls which comes out to be little less than at what rate Ganguli scored. The inning has to be looked in the total perspective. Yes, I agree with you that Ganguli was a great player and now he is an average player. I am not here defending Ganguli but object to people simply for criticising him for the sake of cricising. We should rather appreciate when one average player performs better than other average and at times than the more established and reputed players
RE:How is Chappell responsible?
by harrycheema on Apr 03, 2007 11:14 PM Permalink
Don't decide players fate just on the basis of one innings. Just see that he has scored about 5 fifties in last 7 innings and he is under pressure to score almost everytime he goes to bat because of the treatment he received for about a year. Also don't forget that he is not Sehwag who will retain his place in the team even if he does not score for months. Anyway, so far this particular inning is concerned it was a day when the whole team suffered due to some extraordinary play by thr rival team(which sometime happens). Even here Ganguli scored 60 runs. We should rather appreciate his effort when all other members failed to deliver. And so far as slow run rate is concerned, if Ganguli scored 60 runs of 90 balls what did the rest strok players did? They scored about 130 runs of other 210 balls which comes out to be little less than at what rate Ganguli scored. The inning has to be looked in the total perspective. yes, I agree with you that Ganguli was a great player and now he is an average player. I am not here defending Ganguli but object to people simply for criticising him for the sake of cricising. We should rather appreciate when one average player performs better than other average and at times than the more established and reputed players
Wrong Policy Is Responible by Indra nil Sengupta on Apr 03, 2007 07:26 PM | Hide replies
Reasons of failure of team India. a)Cricket is a team game. If you remove the Captain mercilessly just when he started recovering from a bad patch with a predetermined plan.From one day, from test and then from the team altogether, you disturb the rythm of the team. b)You with vengeance start serching for an alternative to a person who still has a few years of cricket left, then your intentions are clear.You do not think about cricket or the team, you just have a petty agenda of blocking somebody's chances of redemtion, corrections and improvements. c) This petty agenda gets you out of focus. All your energy is concentrated on a negative agenda.You cn not see positive feel positive.In such a situation you can never be a role model. Other players canot accept you as a true leader. d)You also are not consistent in your planning. You go on testing players till the eve of the cup. Instead of encouraging the players going through a bad patch, you abuse them and drop them. You try very mediocre players from the domestic circuit. Here also you do not bring in the most prolific run getters of most wicket taking bowlers from the domestic cicuit. e) In a word you create an air of uncertainty among all the players. The old the new and the not so old. f) In such a given situation you can not get the best from your team. All the members become shaky and uncertain. g) You ruin the team in the process and your expection that players would give their best out of fear psychosis is a wrong theory.Negative incentive is not as rewarding as a positive incentive of appreciation from your coach or captain. " You didnt play? Okay never mind. Actually you should have done this or should not have done this. All right better luck next time, we are with you." h) This is called team spirit. This is called man management. I understand Chappel Rahul combination totally failed to consider this aspect of Indian cricket.They thought they would carry on experiments, drive out all legacies of the past captain and somehow put up a disjointed bunch of brilliant players who will perform for them. This is nver possible. The team spirit left by Saurav legacy continued in the first phase of Rahul Chappel era and won some matches. It evaporated too soon. Too much of experiments and ulterior motive ruined the team and the resultant humiliation for a nation of 125 million followed. This is clear logic. In the circumstances I see only one person standing above the rest to lead India for another two years required for grooming a new leader. This interim Captaincy must go to Saurav Ganguly. Obstinates term me as regionally biased, but it is only a coincidence that he is also an Indian hailing from the East.
Age does not matter always. With age people lose many thing but gain far more. You are to weigh the pros and cons. It is not a quetion of emotions but hard logic and rality. Can you discard Heden, McGrath,, Jayasurya, Femming,and a host of other players if not Lara only because they are old? Unless you groom your talents to be able to replace the old there is no point in saying remove the old. My point is all the current players. young old and not so old would have performed much better had there not been the accident Rahul Chappel takeover and gangly ouster. I have a strong feeling out of my experience of studying people for at least 36 years since I attained maturity, Rahul is no captain material. You keephim as captain and you will lose again and again and again. Excuses are easy tofind. Sometimes you say your batsmen have let you down sometimes you say your seniors have let you down sometimes you say your middle order has collapsed sometimes you say that your bowlers did not bowl well sometimes you say you would have won if you could score another 30 runs and so on. But this leads you no where. You are to come as a real friend to your team mates. You are to charge them to get the best of them. You are to use your prudence in all departments of captaincy batting bowling field setting bowler changing batting order changing encouraging enthusing and so on. Here Rahul lags far far behind. Gid knows if he is kept you will see the difference. He will have to make way for new captain very soon because India shall never reach that height under Rahul that it achieved under Saurav.
RE:Wrong Policy Is Responible
by Dharmapad Mishra on Apr 04, 2007 01:21 AM Permalink
Have you heard of something called " when Brand becomes larger than the group itself". The 'brand -Ganguly', 'brand-Dravid, brand-Tendulkar are larger than team India and the problem starts when you satisfy everybody's ego. They are undoubtedly cricketing greats but we have made these figures larger than the cricket itself. We don't have a clue as to how to treat these guys in the team. They are big names and we can't just can't snuff them from the team. Or unless we actually have (REAL) talent, we can still give them some time and allow them to retire gracefully and nurture new talents.
RE:Wrong Policy Is Responible
by Aneet Grewal on Apr 03, 2007 10:01 PM Permalink
india will never reach the heights under rahul that they achieved under saurav....not because of a porr captain....but lack of the resources Ganguly had. Lack of bowlers hu can touch 90mph...lack of a supporting vice captain...lack of support of a nation
Sack both Chappel and Dravid. Both of them were experimenting last two years and now crying foul. Dravid is spinelss slave of Chappel. Both must be kicked out of INDIAN squad.
for the kind of changes he introduced in short time in Indian team. Though well intended, it can not sink in easily in the not so dynamic team. The next issues is, if his voice is not heard on selection why did he not speak up strongly? Dravid is a stubborn idiot as it turned out. So more blame goes not him than Chappell. Guys goto www.cricketvotes.com and vote on various issues including Zee's initialive on a new cricket academy.
In the last world cup, we has a great team. The seniors were all in their prime form. In this world cup we continued with the same group of players. Unfortunately they are now old and without passion to play as good as last world cup. That is just how cricket is. The same happened to the Windies of the 80's, Australia is the 70's, Pakistan of the 90's. Replacing Sachin, Rahul, Saurav, Virendra, Kumble, etc is not going to be easy. It will take time to rebuild the team. Don't just blame Chappel. He did his job as best as he can. But did the players play to their potential?
RE:Players past their prime
by Uttamkumar on Apr 03, 2007 09:10 PM Permalink
Sack both Chappel and Dravid. Both of them were experimenting last two years and now crying foul. Dravid is spinelss slave of Chappel. Both must be kicked out of INDIAN squad.
