BCCI Its time come now to wake up, sack the senior players and no one above 30yrs should remain in the Indian team, Chappell is right, senior players are trying to stop the junior players example is Agarkar dont want to give chance to Shreesanth, because every one knows if shreesanth plays, He can won the match on its own.
After this debacle I have no faith left for Dravid not only as a captain but also as a player. My assumption is if the captaincy is stripped off from him he may get back to his usual form. Infact I did not see much use of him in this world cup. He was more of a burden and less of a player. Besides, this Shah is the foundation of the trio-MORE-Chappel-Dravid. Most of the people are not happy with this TRIO. They have solid reasons for that after this debacle. Interestingly, I saw one Indian News paper, where they depicted Dravid relaxing in a cool breeze while Dhoni warming up for the cricket. If that is the level of dedication one needs to have in cricket then I would prefer to go ahead with the Young players and like to see one as captaining Indian team say Yvraj or Sewag. This world cup was a testimony to Dravids incompetence as a captain. If you guys dont agree with that then you do not want any good for your country but the politics.
RE:No-Dravid is the best combination possible!
by on Apr 04, 2007 12:41 AM Permalink
i'm very sorry to tell u that u really lack cricketing acumen..and if u don't then i'm absolutely sure u are not using it..firstly, the only reason i think that people are fed up with dravid and chappel is b'coz of one, rahul's demand for commitment(which most of the players dont seem to be ready to give) and i don't believe that dhoni is more committed than dravid..do u remember the last tour to westindies and what harbhajan, yuvraj and dhoni did in the middle of a test match??? chappel is a man people love to hate..but if u think logically and see the body language of the players chappel calls a spade a spade..yuvi or sehwag are the worst possible choices for captain..one can't find his feet when at the crease and the other thinks he walks a few inches above the ground..secondly, dravid as a player..tell me one cricketer u can rely on in times of crisis except dravid..and please talk from your mind not the heart..he has been the work horse of the indian batting..
RE:No-Dravid is the best combination possible!
by Dan Lewis on Apr 04, 2007 06:30 AM Permalink
Buddy if it were 2003 I would have agreed with you on Dravid.He used to be a wall in the team...very calm,complacent and decent cricketer.But you just look at him now.The obsession for captaincy has taken his natural ability.I still feel things have not gone that far.He can still come out of his debacle if he leaves his captaincy job.He is not fit to do that buddy.Besides if Yvraj/Sewag becomes the captain,then we can have some stability in the team which will be good for long run.
RE:No-Dravid is the best combination possible!
by himanshu dhar on Apr 04, 2007 01:34 AM Permalink
Mr Levis u r almost correct in what u have said. Dravid dont deserve this prestigious post, because he failed to perform. If people say the players have played like individuals, not as team , blame it upon CHAPELL AND DRAVID. If its not there responsibility to bring the most out of their players, then who is responsible for that.Its a responsibility of Captain only. The truth is that, Dravid dont have that potential or strength , so that the players can have a faith upon him, he dont have that potential to take the players into confidence.
My view is that only a mature team should play the big events. But in Indian team the players were matured, but not the team, they have lacked the team work spirit and experience. Is that was the 2007 mission...
Here in todays world only one thing is important , that is performance, if anybodies fail in it in many series regularly, why to go forward with it.. it is as simple, Dravid fails to perform as a captain, snatch away frm him the crown..
Try Steve Waugh as a Coach. Change the team. Choose a young player, Choose a Captain who is capable of leadership. Remove Gaguly, Sehwag, Zaheerkhan, Harbhajan (Advice them leave cricket and joing Politics, they good carrier in Politics. Due to their internal politics India lost.) Take advice from Austalia and NewZeland's selectors how to select best team????
RE:Try Steve Waugh as a Coach
by himanshu dhar on Apr 04, 2007 01:45 AM Permalink
Mr dharam, galtiyo se sikho, na ki use dahorio. One of the promt reson for India poor show is that, we believe more upon others strength, rather then looking it for in ourselves.
Any team can be a good performer in their on ways and strengths. Steve Waugh cant make Indian team an Australian team simply because the culture and systems are different. YES but Indian team can be a no 1 team if the work with their country coach, who should be well aware with strength of players and the conditions as well. And why to remove in-form Gangully? Cricket cant be played through emotions and by becoming baised. THe simple rule is performer should be in the team, non performer should be out..
If Dravid is most astute then Niranjan Shah is the most good looking person on earth. Reasons of failure of team India. a)Cricket is a team game. If you remove the Captain mercilessly just when he started recovering from a bad patch with a predetermined plan.From one day, from test and then from the team altogether, you disturb the rythm of the team. b)You with vengeance start serching for an alternative to a person who still has a few years of cricket left, then your intentions are clear.You do not think about cricket or the team, you just have a petty agenda of blocking somebody's chances of redemtion, corrections and improvements. c) This petty agenda gets you out of focus. All your energy is concentrated on a negative agenda.You cn not see positive feel positive.In such a situation you can never be a role model. Other players canot accept you as a true leader. d)You also are not consistent in your planning. You go on testing players till the eve of the cup. Instead of encouraging the players going through a bad patch, you abuse them and drop them. You try very mediocre players from the domestic circuit. Here also you do not bring in the most prolific run getters of most wicket taking bowlers from the domestic cicuit. e) In a word you create an air of uncertainty among all the players. The old the new and the not so old. f) In such a given situation you can not get the best from your team. All the members become shaky and uncertain. g) You ruin the team in the process and your expection that players would give their best out of fear psychosis is a wrong theory.Negative incentive is not as rewarding as a positive incentive of appreciation from your coach or captain. " You didnt play? Okay never mind. Actually you should have done this or should not have done this. All right better luck next time, we are with you." h) This is called team spirit. This is called man management. I understand Chappel Rahul combination totally failed to consider this aspect of Indian cricket.They thought they would carry on experiments, drive out all legacies of the past captain and somehow put up a disjointed bunch of brilliant players who will perform for them. This is nver possible. The team spirit left by Saurav legacy continued in the first phase of Rahul Chappel era and won some matches. It evaporated too soon. Too much of experiments and ulterior motive ruined the team and the resultant humiliation for a nation of 125 million followed. This is clear logic. In the circumstances I see only one person standing above the rest to lead India for another two years required for grooming a new leader. This interim Captaincy must go to Saurav Ganguly. Obstinates term me as regionally biased, but it is only a coincidence that he is also an Indian hailing from the East.
RE:If Rahul Dravid is the Most Astute Captain then Niranjan is the Most Good looking person on earth
by Harish Bhatia on Apr 03, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
After reading all that you write, one realizes you are obsessed with Ganguly. Why don't you guys come to terms with life ? He's a "gone to gully" case. That is his standard of cricket now. Over blinking eyes, running nose, poor quality of batting, not able to see fast paced balls, flashing outside the off stump, confused running between wickets, poor fielding, are some the attributes of this once upon a time, useful cricketer. So what if your time in quality cricket is over ? Today, when I see children play in a park in front of my house, the common perception is "Ganguly aaya. Isko idhar ball dall, ud jayega" So much for the grand old man of cricket, Ganguly.
RE:If Rahul Dravid is the Most Astute Captain then Niranjan is the Most Good looking person on earth
by Suman Bhat on Apr 04, 2007 11:24 AM Permalink
team india was broken ship when dravid made captain and ranked No8 in ICC ranking ( even now it is ranked No6)This WC team India %u2018s early exit, b%u2019cuz some players delieberatley palyed negative cricket and betryed team and dtiched dravid.ateam. If players are not ready to support team cause what capatain.some players fielding and body language was visible that as if they were playing an practice match and gifted match to Bangladesh an early exit from WC means dravid is not good captian and ganguly%u2019s records not harmed When players only go against captain and coach and betray teammates why blame captain or coach??If player can not perform for team what is his role ? He should be kicked out team IF players can get negative inspiration why could not players did not perform for team??how can cricket expert say that captain is not motivating player?/ WC is the biggest event of cricket and those players who get chance to play this on behalf of team India?chappel tried to push the palyers comofrt zone and bring professionalism. Many players do not like this Dravdi was the guy showing the fight against SL...but who supported him? Dravid accepted the responsiblity for defeat in front of media he will resign Sewag selection was questioned by Chief slesctor HE IS HIGHESTRUN GETTER Dhoni, harbajan, sachin, completly failed the worst thing there is groupism and politcs in team and it was visible dufing match against SL and Bangaldesh ganguly is selfish politician He and his group deliberately played negative cricket , played big role in defeat and took revenge for his outset. he is cunning politicain not a team man main culprit to sabotage team WC capaign. He betrayed dravid. when he was captain it was dravid performance, hardwork brought him succes as captain. In WX2003 india reached final b`uz of sachins brillinet performance. not b`zu of ganguly`s captiancy or agression. it is ganguly, zahirkahn, dhoni, harbajan should be kicked out..
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by praveen on Apr 03, 2007 09:24 PM Permalink
No you dont have a genuine Leader apart from Ganguly ... Sachin and Dravid are not leaders... Only Saurav is ... So why dont have him train Yuvraj ...
RE:If Rahul Dravid is the Most Astute Captain then Niranjan is the Most Good looking person on earth
by Dan Lewis on Apr 03, 2007 10:26 PM Permalink
I agree with you Indra. After this debacle I have no faith left for Dravid not only as a captain but also as a player. My assumption is if the captaincy is stripped off from him he may get back to his usual form. Infact I did not see much use of him in this world cup. He was more of a burden and less of a player. Besides, this Shah is the foundation of the trio-MORE-Chappel-Dravid. Most of the people are not happy with this TRIO. They have solid reasons for that after this debacle. Interestingly, I saw one Indian News paper, where they depicted Dravid relaxing in a cool breeze while Dhoni warming up for the cricket. If that is the level of dedication one needs to have in cricket then I would prefer to go ahead with the Young players and like to see one as captaining Indian team say Yvraj or Sewag. This world cup was a testimony to Dravids incompetence as a captain. If you guys dont agree with that then you do not want any good for your country but the politics.
RE:If Rahul Dravid is the Most Astute Captain then Niranjan is the Most Good looking person on earth
by praveen on Apr 03, 2007 09:22 PM Permalink
For your last sentence... i would say it instead of you ... if people feel that you are biased. Yes ... Saurav's Spirit is well better than any one else... Continue with saurav. Train Yuvraj singh as he is a genuine leader. forget Dravid, Sachin ...They are greats who are old ... Train the new kid ... just like you did to Saurav in the Shades of Azhar and Sachin... It should be a better team atleast in 2011 ... We have a Talented players ... but no Ricky Ponting or Achillies... so get them by training ...
RE:If Rahul Dravid is the Most Astute Captain then Niranjan is the Most Good looking person on earth
by Harish Bhatia on Apr 03, 2007 09:48 PM Permalink
I forgot one attribute - poor bowling as well from Ganguly. I am wondering who would like to have such attributes in a leader and follow it, on top of that. In that case, what's better ? Retain Sachin as captain. He scores better than Ganguly anytime, in any form of the game, as much as Irfan scores over Agarkar.
RE:[object]
by himanshu dhar on Apr 04, 2007 01:55 AM Permalink
BHATIA WHEN U WILL MATURE ENOUGH.. BACHE ITNA FRUSTRATE HAI, TOU KAHI OR JAKE MU MAR. YE TERE JAISE BACHO KI JAGAH NAHI HAI. HAVE SOME SENSE BEFORE YOU TALK. LET ME GUESS U R AT STANDARD 5TH 4 TIME FAIL, CORRECT HA HA HA HA
RE:RE:[object]
by Harish Bhatia on Apr 04, 2007 12:55 PM Permalink
Bhosadi ke Himanchut - The debate was choosing between Tendu & Ganguly, whoever is worse. Asses like you are galore in this world. Don't need more.
RE:If Rahul Dravid is the Most Astute Captain then Niranjan is the Most Good looking person on earth
by himanshu dhar on Apr 04, 2007 01:49 AM Permalink
BHATIA TUJHE BRAIN WASH KI JARURATH HAI.. wHO BOTHER COMPAIRING GANG AND SACHIN, BUT GANGULY IS FAR MORE BETTER CAPTAIN THEN DRAVID. UNDOUBTABLY
RE:RE:If Rahul Dravid is the Most Astute Captain then Niranjan is the Most Good looking person on earth
by Rajesh Kumar on Apr 03, 2007 11:04 PM Permalink
We want Sachin to be dropped from the team and you want to make him a captain. What a fool you are?
ODI ===== G.Gambir / V Shehwag R.Uthappa / V Shehwag R.Dravid M.Kaif (Captain) Y.Singh S.Raina / D.Karthik MS Dhoni / D.Karthik (WK) I.Pathan A.Agarkar / RP Singh / M Patel Z Khan / S. Sreesanth R Powar / P Chawla
Test ==== G.Gambir V.Shehwag R.Dravid S.Tendulkar / VVS Laxman M.Kaif (Captain) Y.Singh / S Ganguly MS Dhoni / D.Karthik (WK) I.Pathan / S Ganguly A.Agarkar / RP Singh / M Patel Z Khan / S. Sreesanth H Singh / P Chawla
RE:My Team after WorldCup
by Harish Bhatia on Apr 03, 2007 04:16 PM Permalink
When will you guys mature enough / When ? When ?
You are so stupid that you still can't see the damage created by Agarkar ? With Agarkar, ganguly, Tendu in the team and the other men you have chosen, even Bermuda will beat us.
RE:My Team after WorldCup
by himanshu dhar on Apr 04, 2007 01:54 AM Permalink
BHATIA WHEN U WILL MATURE ENOUGH.. BACHE ITNA FRUSTRATE HAI, TOU KAHI OR JAKE MU MAR. YE TERE JAISE BACHO KI JAGAH NAHI HAI. HAVE SOME SENSE BEFORE YOU TALK. LET ME GUESS U R AT STANDARD 5TH 4 TIME FAIL, CORRECT HA HA HA HA
RE:Don't Fight
by Harish Bhatia on Apr 03, 2007 03:36 PM Permalink
If you are a human being with guts and love for India, why are you crawling ? Can't you stand up and say out loud what you wanna say ? Who gave you this name?Mom or Pop ? Or a neighbor ? Rattlesnake !! Ha Ha !!
RE:Don't Fight
by Harish Bhatia on Apr 03, 2007 04:19 PM Permalink
Mr. Rattlesnake - I am a true Indian and don't need cowards like you with hidden names to forgive me.
You have confirmed my suspicion. You are unable to standup on your own.
RE:Don't Fight
by Harish Bhatia on Apr 03, 2007 07:50 PM Permalink
Raj - Let me tell you that guys (my apologies, if you are you a girl) like you don't even understand difference between jealousy & disgust. You Mom / Dad would think of nice names for you. You then grow to become an immature person and start calling yourselves something like a reptile or a frog or a lizard etc. Thus you hide your identity on the pretext of being modern or hep which in reality takes you away from what you are. It depicts your mental instability apart from encouraging display of cowardice in public forums. That is reason I had asked you who kept that name for you.What's wrong in that ? May be my way of putting the query was bad.
For truth can always be bitter and can hurt.
So be a gentleman (or a gentlelady) and start using raj@rediffmail.com or similar id's. That'd help you rise better in the society. I won't like to continue arguing with you and would conclude by quoting a sanskrit couplet for you (for using your strengths)
Oil traces in water, secrets to the evil persons, donation given to the deserving, knowledge to the wise. If these exist, each one can be really make anyone more powerful than ever before. In effect, even a small drop of oil can be seen in a very large quantity of water in the ocean.
RE:Don't Fight
by himanshu dhar on Apr 04, 2007 01:56 AM Permalink
BHATIA WHEN U WILL MATURE ENOUGH.. BACHE ITNA FRUSTRATE HAI, TOU KAHI OR JAKE MU MAR. YE TERE JAISE BACHO KI JAGAH NAHI HAI. HAVE SOME SENSE BEFORE YOU TALK. LET ME GUESS U R AT STANDARD 5TH 4 TIME FAIL, CORRECT HA HA HA HA
