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by mohan on Apr 17, 2007 02:11 PM Permalink
Hey that the reality, to date Dravid is the most hated guy among the indian cricket fans. Its not Dada fan/servant - this heats comes out from every indian fan, coz of our exit from WC. May be if DADA is captain, I guess we defenitely go to semis atleast.
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by mohan on Apr 17, 2007 02:15 PM Permalink
dont forget - who hit most sixes in WC for Indian. Its DADA man DADA made us proud - what Dravid did??? If DADA is KING, then ofcourse all of us.... THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE KING AT A TIME
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by bharat on Apr 17, 2007 11:36 AM Permalink
It was the innings from Tendulkar and Sehwag against Pakistan, under more challenging circumstances and against a much superior bowling attack that saw India into the semis!
RE:Dravid
by anurag rai on Apr 17, 2007 10:10 AM Permalink
THEN Y IS INDIA OUT OF THIS WORLD CUP....WHATS THE DIFFERENCE......tendulkar sehwag Dravid....they are still in the team.....SO Y ARE WE NOT IN THE WORLD CUP.....Y WE GOT KICKED OUT...."IF UR ANSWER IS LUCK"....BUT THE SAME THING HAPPENED IN CHAMPIONSTROPHY.....CANT U SEE THAT....ANSWER THIS??????
RE:Dravid
by bharat on Apr 17, 2007 11:33 AM Permalink
They were at peak form at 2003 WC. Now they are not. Ganguly was lucky to have a team with so many good players at their best. ... and yes, all these were established before Ganguly became the captain so don't try to pass credit to Ganguly for bringing out the best from these players!
RE:Dravid
by anurag rai on Apr 17, 2007 12:04 PM Permalink
I thought so a looser like wil say luck.so dhoni yuvraj sehwag decided to go out of form during champiostrophy and world cup under dravid.i wil give u a example ganguly allowed sachin to open the bating it paid off thats captaincy while dravid made him bat in the middle order wher he did not wanted to bat- he failed poor captaincy.
RE:RE:Dravid
by bharat on Apr 17, 2007 12:24 PM Permalink
1. Both the decisions (to play Tendulkar as an opener in 2003 and in the middle order in 2007) were correct under the circumstances. In 2003, Sachin was at his peak and had the form and strength to blast the bowlers in the 1st 15 overs. So, he was the right choice as the opener.
In 2007, he was well past his peak. He had been plagued by injuries in the past few years and did not have the same fire power to blast the bowling. A role in the middle order was more appropriate for him and for the team. Hence the decision to move him to the middle order was also appropriate.
2. It is not that Ganguly invented Tendulkar as an opener. He (along with Ganguly) had been a highly successful opening pair in onedayers long before Ganguly took over as the captain.
3. You can use adjectives to describe me if you like ("looser' etc etc) as you like. I can use similar ones too. But argue sportingly. I have nothing personal against you and I am sure you don't hold anything against me.
RE:Dravid
by Suman Bhat on Apr 17, 2007 01:34 PM Permalink
gangster like ganguly in team cunning politician ganguly betryed team, deliberately played the negative cricket and had big role in defeeat against Bangaldesh and SL Take out dravid's contributions and check the statistcs for ganguly's sccuss as captain ganguly betrayed dalmiay, sachin and dravid ganguly is selfish, cunning, politician should be out of team with his chelas like dhoni, bajji, zahirkhan take out l Dravid%u2019s contributions and performance during the ganguly cpatiancy tenure? tThen ganguly is big ZEROOOOOOOOOOganguly is root cause of problem he promoted groupism he played negative cricket and had a big role in defeat becoz of him only whole nation is mourning today that india as exited from world cup. he is a selfish traitorhe betrayed dalmiay, sachin and dravid gnaguly and his gang should be out of team India
RE:Dravid
by Suman Bhat on Apr 17, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
take out l Dravid%u2019s contributions and performance during the ganguly cpatiancy tenure? tThen ganguly is big ZEROOOOOOOOOOganguly is root cause of problem he promoted groupism he played negative cricket and had a big role in defeat becoz of him only whole nation is mourning today that india as exited from world cup. he is a selfish traitorhe betrayed dalmiay, sachin and dravid gnaguly and his gang should be out of team India
RE:Dravid
by mohan on Apr 17, 2007 02:01 PM Permalink
In my opinion Dravid dont have the lion heart, courage, which is one of the captaincy quality. For example, Kapil in WC'83 faced a situation when India down by 17/5, he stood like rock lion and roared 175 and because of that we won the cup. Dravid also stood against SL, but dont had that guts to fight till the end, which PAK always has(I admire), look the way the lost to Ireland, they fought until the last ball even with that small score. Even Azhar lost to ZIM in one WC cause to exit. Ganguly has the leadership qualities, unfortunately India not used him fully instead threw dung over him, result INDIA suffered humilations only. NOW WHO IS DARE TO SAY - DRAVID GOOD CAPTAIN
RE:Dravid
by bharat on Apr 17, 2007 09:55 AM Permalink
He may have, but he has not come to this earth with the blessing of eternity! His days are over. Even if one agrees that Dravid is not fit to lead India, neither is Ganguly. In the first place, he has not shown sufficient batting form to prove that he is good enough to deserve a place as a batsman. The question of whether or not he can be a captain is irrelevant at this point in time.
Guys/ Gals, please put in a few words of appreciation for the excellent knock of 20 odd (at almost run a ball!) played by Ganguly in yesterday's 20-20 match. He was in the process of BUILDING a solid foundation for Bengal before he was unfortunately run out!
RE:India needs Beasts like Australia
by God Himself on Apr 17, 2007 03:40 AM Permalink
I agree with ur comment. The same opinion is going through every indian's mind. I think we need 11 all rounders to beat the AUSSIES, the strongest team in cricketing history. I'm sure we can such beasts from the Indian population too. Just that politics plays the major role.
In the Ireland match, Bashar was playing like our own Dada. He was lazy and not running quick singles and thus unnecessarily created pressure and frustration for the other Bangla batsmen.
RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by Indra Sengupta on Apr 16, 2007 11:07 PM Permalink
Yes Bashar could lead India to WC final Yes Bashar can hit sixes like Dada Yes Bashar has thousand of international runs Yes Bashar has the averages like Dada. It is for u Bullshit anti Saurav guys India has come to such a pas. Yes you go on criticising Saurav and praising Rahul, and let the Indian team and team spirit vanish in to the blue.
RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by Bhavik Shankar on Apr 16, 2007 11:19 PM Permalink
Saurav is a politian Draivid is a team man Saurav is play for himself Dravid plays for india Saurav does not believe in fitness Dravid wants a fielding coach Saurav takes credit for indians wins Dravid takes india to wins Saurav looks out for his chamchas sehwag and harbhajan Dravid looks out for the benefit for india
RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by Suman Bhat on Apr 17, 2007 01:39 PM Permalink
take out l Dravid%u2019s contributions and performance during the ganguly cpatiancy tenure? tThen ganguly is big ZEROOOOOOOOOOganguly is root cause of problem he promoted groupism he played negative cricket and had a big role in defeat becoz of him only whole nation is mourning today that india as exited from world cup. he is a selfish traitorhe betrayed dalmiay, sachin and dravid gnaguly and his gang should be out of team India
ganguly in team cunning politician ganguly betryed team, deliberately played the negative cricket and had big role in defeeat against Bangaldesh and SL
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by Suman Bhat on Apr 17, 2007 02:18 PM Permalink
ganguly should retire Ganguly had big role in defeat in mathch against Bangladesh. He gifted match t o bangaldesh deliberately playing negative cricket just to humiliate dravid and to take revenge against chappell ?? but he betrayed the whole team ganguly wasted more balls than runs he scored poor fielding and poor running wkt and unwilling to take singles cost more runs to team also created pressure on batsman on other side He did not bother to try and hold an easy catch during agarka bowling , Never tried to accelerate run rate He did not tried to hold simple catch during agarkar%u2019s bowling 60 runs in 130 balls how it can help a team cause?? Ganguly had one stage for having batted through nearly 11 overs to make a mere 7 runs. Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs India Scored 191 in 50 overs Ganguly Scored 66 runs in 21 overs wasted more balls than runs he scored., Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs Rest of team scored 50 in 19 overs Against burmada Ganguly scored 89 in 114 balls wasted 25 balls that is around 4.6 runs per over... compare it to the indian teams average of 8.26 Ganguly was struggling while batting against burmuda, and got 3 lifes Ganguly 7 in 23 balls against SL Ganguly did return with team but nest day when arrived in kolkat airport media said he got a warm welcome He was not team uniformGanguly success is b'cuz of dravid contribution in tests and sachin contribution in oids.. Not B'CUZ OF HIS LEADERSHIP OR AGRESSION GANGULY %u2018S SELFISH, OPPERTUNIST, CUNNING POLITICIAN AND PROMOTING GROUPISM AND NOT BATHER ED IF TEAM WINS OR NOT GANGULY IS MAIN CULPRIT IN DEBACLE OF WC HE SHOULD BE OUT OF IND TEAM FOR TESTS AND ODIS team went final in WC2003 bcuz sachin batted brilliently. he scored 33%of total runs and won MOS and best batsman. NOT B'CUZ OF GANGULY CAPTAINCY OR LEADERSHIP, srinath bowled well and dravid ketp wkts to accomodate one more batsman No player played negative cricket that team should loolse. But this time some players were not with team or captain Ganguly betrayed dalmiay, dravid and played for his sponsers sourav succeded in earning maniac fans like you by scoring 50 in almost every Innings at the cost of winnig chances of India. India''s loss against bangladesh was due to him. He created fear in our own batsmen by playing pathetically slow and then gave confidence to bangladeshi bowlers.
. And WC event is best place to humiliate captain. One win would made team to in Sleague and there won%u2019t be any change in some players deliberately played negative cirkcet and betrayed team and ditched captain. But this time it is ganguly sachin, dhoni, harbjan betryaed team and ditched the captaint non cooperation of some players to captain is failue and cause for defeat
RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by Indian on Apr 17, 2007 08:13 AM Permalink
Anurag and Indra I support u both. Kick that weak Dravid out of team India !!! We don't need a weak captain.
RE:RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by Suman Bhat on Apr 17, 2007 02:20 PM Permalink
ganguly should retire Ganguly had big role in defeat in mathch against Bangladesh. He gifted match t o bangaldesh deliberately playing negative cricket just to humiliate dravid and to take revenge against chappell ?? but he betrayed the whole team ganguly wasted more balls than runs he scored poor fielding and poor running wkt and unwilling to take singles cost more runs to team also created pressure on batsman on other side He did not bother to try and hold an easy catch during agarka bowling , Never tried to accelerate run rate He did not tried to hold simple catch during agarkar%u2019s bowling 60 runs in 130 balls how it can help a team cause?? Ganguly had one stage for having batted through nearly 11 overs to make a mere 7 runs. Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs India Scored 191 in 50 overs Ganguly Scored 66 runs in 21 overs wasted more balls than runs he scored., Yuvraj Scored 47 runs in 10 overs Rest of team scored 50 in 19 overs Against burmada Ganguly scored 89 in 114 balls wasted 25 balls that is around 4.6 runs per over... compare it to the indian teams average of 8.26 Ganguly was struggling while batting against burmuda, and got 3 lifes Ganguly 7 in 23 balls against SL Ganguly did return with team but nest day when arrived in kolkat airport media said he got a warm welcome He was not team uniformGanguly success is b'cuz of dravid contribution in tests and sachin contribution in oids.. Not B'CUZ OF HIS LEADERSHIP OR AGRESSION GANGULY %u2018S SELFISH, OPPERTUNIST, CUNNING POLITICIAN AND PROMOTING GROUPISM AND NOT BATHER ED IF TEAM WINS OR NOT GANGULY IS MAIN CULPRIT IN DEBACLE OF WC HE SHOULD BE OUT OF IND TEAM FOR TESTS AND ODIS team went final in WC2003 bcuz sachin batted brilliently. he scored 33%of total runs and won MOS and best batsman. NOT B'CUZ OF GANGULY CAPTAINCY OR LEADERSHIP, srinath bowled well and dravid ketp wkts to accomodate one more batsman No player played negative cricket that team should loolse. But this time some players were not with team or captain Ganguly betrayed dalmiay, dravid and played for his sponsers sourav succeded in earning maniac fans like you by scoring 50 in almost every Innings at the cost of winnig chances of India. India''s loss against bangladesh was due to him. He created fear in our own batsmen by playing pathetically slow and then gave confidence to bangladeshi bowlers.
. And WC event is best place to humiliate captain. One win would made team to in Sleague and there won%u2019t be any change in some players deliberately played negative cirkcet and betrayed team and ditched captain. But this time it is ganguly sachin, dhoni, harbjan betryaed team and ditched the captaint non cooperation of some players to captain is failue and cause for defeat
RE:RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by on Apr 17, 2007 02:26 AM Permalink
You being bengali, support gangu....it is not a question of bengali, gujju, telgu, tamil, mrathi or any other. it is a question of tricolor. so support on the basis of merit. gangu has done good for the country but that is past now....it better to drop him and tendulkar for good of India which is bigger than anyother past perfomers.
RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by God Himself on Apr 17, 2007 03:46 AM Permalink
Well said on, by end of the day what matters is a loss or win. And whether the player is from north, south, east or west... we still will support the player if he performs well. Unity can only win anf for that all the 11 players should give out his best.
RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by bharat on Apr 17, 2007 09:37 AM Permalink
Ganguly can hit sixes? Well, he swung his bat a few times against Bermuda and managed just one. He swung his bat hard against Sri Lanka and could reach only as far as Muralidharan at mid off!
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by Arup Palit on Apr 17, 2007 10:18 AM Permalink
for your information ganguly is the highest SIX heaters for India in international cricket. yes also more than tendulkar
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by bharat on Apr 17, 2007 11:42 AM Permalink
While debating about Tendulkar, you say forget the past records and see what he is doing presently.
Same applies to Ganguly. Talk of what Ganguly has been doing recently. Ganguly's highest number of sixes can be creditted to his peak form which is over long back. How many sixes has he hit in the last 15 one day matches that he played?
RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by bharat on Apr 17, 2007 09:27 AM Permalink
Does anyone have a few words of appreciation for the 20 odd runs that Ganguly scored in yesterday's 20-20 game at Ahmedabad???
RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by anurag rai on Apr 17, 2007 10:27 AM Permalink
ITS ALL OVER INDIA AND ABROAD.....NOT JUST IN BENGAL....I M FROM PUNJAB AND I CAN ASSURE WE...LOVE GANGULY ANY DAY OVER DRAVID.... THERE IS NO COMPARISION...........
DRAVID CAN BAT WHEN WE ARE 5 DOWN..... GANGULY CAN WIN A MATCH BY BATTING AND CAPTAINCY.
LOOK AT MICHAEL VAUGHAN...AVERAGES MID 20'S...NO 100'S MATCHES PLAYED 90.CAPTAIN OF ENGLAND....THEY CONSIDER HIM ALL ROUNDER BECAUSE OF HIS CAPTAINCY AND BATTING.
RE:RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by Suman Bhat on Apr 17, 2007 02:11 PM Permalink
1st overseas test series win - Windies 2006 One day series win overseas - Pakistan 2006 One day series win against Lanka - Home 2005/2007 One day series win against England - Home 2006 One day series win against windies - Home 2007. Test series win against lanka - Home 2005-06 1st test win in South Africa - South Africa 2006.
All of it in only 18 months - KUDOS RAHUL DRAVID. A record odi winning of 18 matches by cahsing
statistics always say the truth. Dravid is a good captain whatever he achieved in just 19 months and compated to ganguyly success for 5 yrs dravid did better job in short period of time..
It was only Dravid who laged lone battle against srilanka when these heroes failed miserably. He could have gone 3rd or 4th down against bermuda to score a century if he was selfish and if he had to act like ganguly or tendulkar. but he proved that he was a team man by giving chance to Tendulkar, yuvraj and sehwag by promoting them them in batting order. rahul dravis has been indias most consistent batsman since the 1999 world cup......its mot me....but the records who are saying tht........ , odi batting average in home all the batsman are better then their overall averages.
SC Ganguly 146 76 65 &nbs p; 5 52.05% R Dravid 65 33 28 4 50.77% The difference of odi wnnin average is only 1% when compared to succss of ganguly & john AND dravid and chappell Ganguly had advantage of leading team for maximu nos of matches and 5 yr lengthier period and 31 wins against weaker team dravid only captian for 16 months and difference in winning average is only 1.22%
RE:RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by bharat on Apr 17, 2007 11:39 AM Permalink
1. Micheal Vaughan - Watch out. He will not be England's captain after the WC. Reason - he is not good enough to retain his position as a batsman.
2. Dravid can bat when we are 5 down! If you are willing to be confronted with statistics and records it would be very easy to prove you wrong! But I don't care. If you want to live in your fool's paradise, you are free to do so!
RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by mohan on Apr 17, 2007 02:30 PM Permalink
yes, Vaughan will be kicked out after WC (he sent his team to super8 atleast) Lara quits after their losses in super 8 Inzy quits ODI itself after their losses...
BUT DRAVID IS GREAT...HE MUST BE CREDITED WITH CAPTAINCY FOR NEXT THREE SERIES ATLEAST....GREAT INDIA AND HIS FANS JAI BARAT
RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by Sharad Saxena on Apr 17, 2007 08:17 AM Permalink
Mr Inder sen Gupta R u PA or lawyer to DADA, whether he is right or wrong you always poke your nose there, I didnt find your comments on other players or is there any compulsion that u will favour only those players whose last name is GANGULI , BANERJEE , MUKHERJEE......
Be mature man and leave this biased approach atleast in sports
RE:Bashar reminded me of Dada!
by Indra Sengupta on Apr 17, 2007 09:28 AM Permalink
I am PA to all good things in this world. Like good music,good whisky,sweet smelling breeze,comapny of sweet people like sharad Saxena and of course Saurav ganguly. I deny your allegation. Saurav is Bengali by coincidence. Had he been from Bihar, UP or Rajasthan, I could have equally supported him for all his good game, captaincy, guts and determination. Thanks.
Captaincy is not everyone's cup of tea.Why the indian people always prioritise the captaincy.When India wins there is outburst of celebration & when we defeat we do everything of whatever the frastration we have bearing through out our whole life,even we nagging each other by our religion,caste,color,& the whatever worst possible act we can do.Is this a developing India? then why we are behaving like this?Whoever is captain its doesnot matter,the matter is to develope our India in all the way.
RE:Experiments Ruined Every thing
by Sharad Saxena on Apr 17, 2007 08:19 AM Permalink
Mr Inder sen Gupta
R u PA or lawyer to DADA, whether he is right or wrong you always poke your nose there, I didnt find your comments on other players or is there any compulsion that u will favour only those players whose last name is GANGULI , BANERJEE , MUKHERJEE......
Be mature man and leave this biased approach atleast in sports
RE:BCCI is a gutless and chacterless body. It is not being held in high esteem by either the players or others.
by Ravi chandran on Apr 17, 2007 10:11 AM Permalink
It defies all of us and allows a few fellows to swindle it. Thus, it has a lot of guts.
