day 1 proved that Force has been able to compete with others in the spectrum of speed..question is will the car be more reliable than last yr n finish races??till that q is answered,1 neednt get much xcited
mallya has put all ur drink money in f1 this year so u need to support him n drink more kingfisher n fly more on kingfisher. so dat he can build a better team lol! cheers
until then we're there as fans for the team with an indian presence. if mallya had to say that indians should be realistic about the chances of winning the race, he shouldnt have named it as forceindia. his patriotism is not questioned but his stupidity in grand claims such as "force" india is . why the need of such grandiose names ? is india such a weak force ? i feel guys like subash chandra or mallya are a new breed of businessmen who will cash on anything. subash chandra could have made ICL non pay channel, and see his ICl rating sky rocket, but instead he chose his zee paychannel for his zee sports, nobody's bothered to watch the discards and rebels of the world. so much for his ICL, its destined to be a flop.
RE:we'll wait for the final race results
by varghese on Feb 02, 2008 02:11 PM Permalink
WELL SAID RAJ.....
BULLS EYE....I HAVE SEEN THIS WORLDWIDE..ALMOST ALL NORTH INDIAN PEOPLE RESORT FRUADULENT PRACTICES SPECIALLY IN THE WEST..AND WHEN CAUGHT THEY SCREECH WE R INDIANS..TILL THEN THEY PRIDE WE R GUJUS,MARWADIS,AGRAWALS..I ALWAYS TELL THEM WHY BLAME THE COUNTRY AND DEFAME THE NATION....CHEAP FELLOWS WHO EVEN STEAL NAPTHALENE BALLS FROM PUBLIC URINALS...OUR BUSINESESS ICONS R NO WAY DIFFERENT FROM THESE!!!! NOTICE BCCI ISNT AN NATIONAL BODY BUT AN PRIVATE CLUB RAKING BILLIONS BY SELECTING THE NATIONAL TEAM AND SPORTING THE TRI-COLOUR...AND MOST OF THE WAY THE CLUB RUNS ITS CAUSING US TO HANG OUR HEAD IN SHAME...WHAT A NATION OF ANTI-NATIONALS....
RE:Why r Chinese absent?
by ritesh bhushan on Feb 02, 2008 12:33 PM Permalink
Chinese are the world's best copy cat..bereft of any original ideas..may be some chinese engineer steal some designs from the Ferrari works and then my dear friend you would see them making cheaper F1 cars. Made in china sadly does not work when it comes to original engineering concepts
RE:Why r Chinese absent?
by ajoy on Feb 02, 2008 12:56 PM Permalink
so true. chinese are all but original ideas. produce cheap duplicates, produce them in large quantum and dump them at throwaway price.
RE:RE:RE:Why r Chinese absent?
by timepass on Feb 02, 2008 01:51 PM Permalink
they hv sent a manned mission to space. is it not an original engg achievement? they have perfected many advanced military equipments & nuclear tech. i think they have thought leaders. they are perfectly making use of the excess & cheap labour to create wealth. wealth can change the destiny of china & its population over a period of time. may be they have not developed a taste for F1 yet. remember mallaya is neither using indian tech nor its drivers !! itz a matter of taste
I have watched entire F-1 races in 2005. In those races Giancarlo Fisichella's performance was not bad. I think he will perform well in upcoming races and make India proud. BEST OF LUCK Giancarlo Fisichella.
force Ind can never match with a car like red bull. its only a hype created by mallya. u put schumi on force ind & U wont a get a result. Force ind vl be forced to exit after compeleting 1 yr.
RE:Force India
by Praveen on Feb 02, 2008 12:16 PM Permalink
U ppl dont know a thing abt F1. F1 does not run on reputation. U need lot of money. by the time the year finishes, he vl hav lost lot of money. Its obvious that many have lost lot of money cos of poor performance of car & they cudnt withstand 1 complete year. Mallya also comes into the same league. PPl shud forget abt nationalism & support sportsmen who r true champions. What is the big thing in naming the F1 team as Force Ind. Ferrari is the No.1 team in F1 & they do not mention anything about their country on the car.Its all about sports. dont bring country & nationality of a person into sports. Enjoy sports!!
RE:Force India
by t sivaraman on Feb 02, 2008 10:06 AM Permalink
It is unfortunate that you post messages like this. You cant achieve podium finishes overnight. It is just weeks back, Mallaya has taken over and has assured required financial allotments. we have to be proud? Which other F1 team is linked with a country name?. Even if you dont support them from the front dont bad mouth when some one makes India proud!
RE:Force India
by Raghu on Feb 02, 2008 12:15 PM Permalink
Praveen
Your conclusion is too far fetched,too early and based on no knowledge of F1 cars & their development.The intensions are in the right direction.
1)Commited investment over a period 2)No unnecessary patriotic feeling and consequent insertion of below par Karthi or Karan 3)"Interim" car to fill for the coming season and a permanant engine for season next is the right way to proceed 4) Experienced & "stable" driver like Fisi is the best way to build a reliable car and not rough handlers ike Montoyo, Kimi or Karthi
RE:Force India
by Praveen on Feb 02, 2008 12:26 PM Permalink
i agree with u Mr.Raghu. Then Y on hell did all the billonaires who had owned Jordon,spyker cars had to give up?? even they were also billionaires but they cudn't afford. Fisc is a person who cudn't give a result with a well equipped car. then what can v expect fm him on this car. Look the same car of renault vl give results once alonso steps into that car & his partner vl also support his tteam.
RE:Force India
by manish gurbani on Feb 02, 2008 01:47 PM Permalink
Dear Praveen, i strongly feel that you have a very negative and pessimistic approach towards indians making it big on the global scene! (this definately makes for good debate material) :)
for every company that has owned an F1 team, the road upward is not an easy one. i have been following F1 since 93 season, when ayrton senna and schumi rivalry was the big thing.
thereafter schumi moved to Ferrari, at which time, ferrari was not a very highly rated team. it took time and tremendous dedication, not to mention funds, for ferrari to turn things around. it wasnt only shumi who changed things, it was good management, technical knowhow and team work that did it.
coming back to Force India, they are at the beginning of long journey, which i wish them the best for!!! there will always be hurdles, but we as a nation hope for the best, FORCE india may or may not make it, but its wrong of you to PREMATURELY DECIDE THEIR FATE!!
who are you to judge on their management strategies, who are you to make assumptions based on lack of internal knowledge of the company???
remove your pessimistic hat, and put on one of logic and hope, your perspective will surely change for the positive.
after all, everyone is entitled to try to reach the top, its only the people who dont try that remain BELOW THE BOTTOM and vent out their pessimistic and negative thoughts!!
RE:Force India
by Praveen on Feb 02, 2008 02:16 PM Permalink
I wud hav agreed on all ur points had he purchased BMW or red bull which is far more reliable than force ind
RE:RE:Force India
by manish gurbani on Feb 02, 2008 01:50 PM Permalink
companies dont always give up only due to lack of resources or funding!! lack of direction and will to complete can be very instrumental in deciding the fate of a project!
RE:RE:RE:Force India
by Praveen on Feb 02, 2008 02:07 PM Permalink
y do u ppl bring nationality into sports. when a team plays well U shud appreciate no matter which country he belongs to. & my dear frnd with funds U can run a ckt board but not football or F1. As far as ferraris are concerned they had their machine whereas mallaya has owned it fm ferrari. so u cant expect much improvement on machine. U can rem me when mallya pulls out early fm f1
RE:Force India
by sohail hanfi on Feb 02, 2008 04:45 PM Permalink
dear praveen,,,i wud have supported u if it wud have been Kingfisher India or force kingfisher..but buddy, he has named it Force India..thats purely patriotism...if he wanted to make money,,,he wud nvr have entered into F1...he has some plans..lets support him..atleast wen in d coming season we will be watching d races, we will held our head high as an Indian car is there...feel proud of it...give them ur support....cheers
RE:Force India
by Raghu on Feb 02, 2008 01:39 PM Permalink
Praveen
All I said was that the direction of the attempt appears to be right at this point of time. Fisi cannot give a podium finish in the coming season. The attempt probably is to build a reliable machine which can later be driven by mavericks like Schumi, Kimi
When u named Reno-Alonso u r missing that Reno's aerodynamics ( credited to have given the car that little bit extra) was perfected much before Alonso!!!
View above & the contract cost factor of drivers, I still feel that Fisi is a good bet for the modest aims of the team this season
RE:Force India
by Praveen on Feb 02, 2008 01:54 PM Permalink
the result vl be same as what karthikeyen did it for Jordon. when a billionaire purchases a team he also prepares the blueprint for the future expansion with a view that his team wud do better & get a fair result during the first season. What happens with the team like force Ind is that their hopes vl be shattered when the car cant complete the entire race. u put fisc or sutil who can only deliver only on good cars. Mallyas busi might have clicked in aero,liquor,fertilser etc but sports is altogather a different ball game. The main aim of mallya is only to bring glam to Ind & make money.
RE:Can Force India Make a Difference?
by ashwin sopori on Feb 02, 2008 01:53 PM Permalink
Creating sensation is not impossible - check out Hamilton.Ideally one needs to have patience in F1 to get desirable results. Three Cheers for Force India !!!!!
RE:RE:RE:Can Force India Make a Difference?
by dhruv d chakrabarti on Feb 02, 2008 02:13 PM Permalink
lol most ppl hv jumped da force india bandwagon without a clue abt wht F1 actually stands for.PPl this is technically da most advanced sport on earth unlike 22 ppl standing in da field 4 eight hrs n our countries uneducated and poor ppl wasting time n countries economy watching that.I saw some stupid ppl ppl compare ferrari to force india,well lemme tell u idiots that ferrai is a name thats been dedicated to motorsports since ions.i am as much a patriot as all u guys but ppl stop this nationality shit n understand da sport..da ans lies in front of u..praveen u got ma support buddy A Tifosi(lol go google it)
RE:Can Force India Make a Difference?
by RAJIV SONI on Feb 02, 2008 10:38 AM Permalink
who cares for this season....no one becomes a champ overnight....give them a couple of seasons and then u will get results...Dr. Mallya is known to deliver what he promises...i m proud of force india.....
RE:Can Force India Make a Difference?
by raj on Feb 02, 2008 12:54 PM Permalink
well, we will have a reason to watch the 'other' teams now. to be practical, we cant expect much of this team, and if they do deliver then it'll be a cracker - to see a second string team deliver.
RE:Where is Karthikeyan?
by Selwyn Fernandes on Feb 02, 2008 12:14 PM Permalink
Karthikeyan is representing our country in A1 and hes doin well. Hes got a lot of points and prize money for Team India this season after a dismal 1st season for Team India. He will be back to F1 soon. Probably in SPICE racing, the next indian entrant to be in F1
RE:Where is Karthikeyan?
by Mohd Haris on Feb 02, 2008 10:10 AM Permalink
Hez very much around. Won the A1 Grand Prix last year, which is almost as big a deal as Sania in finals and India winning T20 World Cup. This time however he crashed out, due to poor racing conditions.
