India is not POOR. We have enough resource to beat the crap out of any nation. BUT , we need to raise our expectations from individuals , each and everyone. Please stop using that excuse to justify the pathetic condition of the nation. As long as we have incompetent leaders and administrators , we will suffer.
Bush is a classic example. See how a great nation like USA can be dogged down by a Ahole like Bush.
RE:India is NOT poor.
by Jinnah on May 31, 2007 09:15 PM Permalink
If you think deeply, you will come to the conclusion that the leaders of a democratic nation mirror the people they lead to a fair degree.
In US: Ppl actually thought war was going to be cool. War will fuel the economy. Ppl even voted Bush the second time. More than Bush it is all the people's doing.
In India: In the recent UP election, for the first time a bunch of intellectuals formed a party and contested (I forget the details), and they lost their deposit. We are still enamored by fair skin and leaders who can captivate audiences. Caste is playing an increasing role as the polarization of hindu society has not yet diluted. there are still not marriages with lower castes. Unless the caste in Indian society is dluted, reservations and casteist politicans will continue to rule.
Sania Mirza is the only Indian(women) player in French open.And it is natural for any Indian to expect something positive irrespective of her status of so-called mediocre/extra terrestrial.So what is wrong in expecting from her? Bangladesh was also considered a rat in the race before the world cup?
RE:India is NOT poor.
by Funmanu on May 31, 2007 09:51 PM Permalink
Again , not good enough. I cannot celebrate mediocrity. Let her get into the top 10 , I will root for her. Big time. Until then , nada.
I was implying that we ( as in the 'FANS' ) should raise our standards to celebrate sports idols. These Jacko's can never match up to the world standards. So Ignore them and focus on building our nation.
Indian middle class , specifically the people working and promoting the IT industry , are the true 21's century heroes. As a sporting nation , WE SUCK. We should learn to deal with it.
RE:Indian Middle class is the true Hero
by dbzee on May 31, 2007 11:14 PM Permalink
to Funmanu: celebrating intellectual coolies of the IT industry (myself included) as "the true 21's century heroes" is a bit stretching it.. how many of us can claim to be among the top 50 in the field we are in..
RE:Indian Middle class is the true Hero
by pavan on Jun 01, 2007 12:12 AM Permalink
hi funmanu ur sportive and honest guy keep it up u have gladdened me with ur wit.it is guys like u who are the reality check in the otherwise hyped scenario thanx to glossy magazines.
RE:Indian Middle class is the true Hero
by JK on May 31, 2007 08:58 PM Permalink
Fitness man. We lack fitness. This is the base and foundation of al sports. In the west fitness is given preference first and skill next. In indian it is the other way around. So unless the mentality of the midle class indian changes on fitness we will be fat slobs who cant run around when tested. Skill can only take you so far. Fitness fitness fitness....but sadly we will never learn.
RE:Indian Middle class is the true Hero
by kaka on May 31, 2007 09:06 PM Permalink
It's also the fighting spirit which we lack. We balk under pressure everytime and fall apart. It's also a lack of motivation and drive. We are content with mediocrity and never aim for anything beyond that.
RE:Indian Middle class is the true Hero
by Jinnah on May 31, 2007 09:17 PM Permalink
Fighting spirit? Isn't that the reason why our civilization has been raped regularly for the last 2K years?
We dont have it in our genes, face it man! Try to achieve with whatever we have.
Too much talk and NO substance. Don't celebrate mediocrity. She does not deserve the attention that she gets. Trust me , we have to raise the standards. Rhetoric enough will not suffice.
RE:No substance
by saquib reza on May 31, 2007 09:50 PM Permalink
dear funmanu tell me one indian player who shows some substance accordin to u..... u tell sania as mediocre.......but why dont we put this way....... she is the only 1 who is better than we mediocre people. can u tell me just one indian tennis player in same league of sania..? oberoi sisters are ranked 200 ...... so don't b tooo critical........ it demoralises our own nation...... try to encourage and support them......how many times u have done somethin to which we as fellow countrymen can b proud of
RE:RE:No substance
by . on May 31, 2007 10:47 PM Permalink
You are going on comparing Ms. Sania with other Indians... that's absurd! If you try to compare her with the contemporary big names in the WTA women's ckt, you will realise how mediocre she is... forget it... there is no point in telling you... you are obsessed by things farthest from tennis skills in Sania!!!!
RE:No substance
by Funmanu on May 31, 2007 08:45 PM Permalink
I was implying that we ( as in the 'FANS' ) should raise our standards to celebrate sports idols. These Jacko's can never match up to the world standards. So Ignore them and focus on building our nation.
Indian middle class , specifically the people working and promoting the IT industry , are the true 21's century heroes. As a sporting nation , WE SUCK. We should learn to deal with it.
RE:No substance
by kaka on May 31, 2007 08:43 PM Permalink
I dont believe India is a poor country. The poor factor is due to the uneven distribution of wealth?
RE:RE:No substance
by Jai Fernando on May 31, 2007 08:51 PM Permalink
hey kaka,the root cause for the uneven distribution is right in our own minds.Yes the wealth is unevenly distributed.If we are to blame the richest for not sharing the resources , we also have to remember that they were once a part of the poorer section. :-)
RE:No substance
by kaka on May 31, 2007 10:27 PM Permalink
I am telling they must divert some wealth toward improvement but they could. Also yes I agree that all were poor at one time but the right set of connections, luck and right choice made them who they are right now(when it comes to taking risk you have to battle nay sayers)
RE:No substance
by Ashwin Shankar on May 31, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
Sania has achieved more than you could ever dream of or for that matter more than any indian in women's tennis has ever done. Its not like the government or private companies have been sponsoring her since she was a little kid. Whatever she achieves has been on her own merit.In a land where sports are always discouraged - and quite rightly, she has earned so much respect and money playing in the WTA. you care so much about an indian making it big, its only your disappointment showing. Why dont you take up the sport then and make the country proud?? or let you kids play a sport for india...encourage them and give them all the facilities you can. When that happens, post something negative about other people.
RE:RE:No substance
by Funmanu on May 31, 2007 08:52 PM Permalink
Not good enough. Everyone should get the attention they deserve. Else , we have a spoiled individual. Its simple.
RE:No substance
by . on May 31, 2007 09:28 PM Permalink
I keep reading in these columns that Ms. Sania Mirza has achieved everything on her own, without any support from the Govt! This statement is the farthest from the truth - please check out what all facilities she is enjoying - not only from AP State Govt and the Central Govt - but also Govts of states like Karnataka, and many others too! And let me remind our great advocates of this "Super Woman" that all those are from the tax-payers' money! So stop f*u*c*k*i*n*g licking Sania's feet!
RE:RE:No substance
by saquib reza on May 31, 2007 10:01 PM Permalink
this one 4 u buddy dear big dot.(.) u r telling about the facilities enjoyed by her..... but do u know dat to achieve that facilty.she had worked hard won juniors titles,national titles and all wat the f#u#c#k do u know?how many girls at the junior or national level doin the same and how many F>>>u...ckin state govts are willing to adapt them... there is none......... it was her performance that brought her adulation n all facilities not some 1 who loves barking without knowin d fact.....
RE:No substance
by . on May 31, 2007 10:41 PM Permalink
Buddy Reza, Starting from Shiny Wilson, PT Usha et al, till the more recent prodigies like Saina Nehwal, there have been many many deserving sportswomen who didn't get even a fraction of what Ms. Sania has managed to get from the governments! Thank god, you are not in any capacity to decide what should be given to sportspersons, or else you would've recommended Ms. Sania's name to be the President of the country! HA HA HA HA HA Get a Life, buddy!
RE:No substance
by Jai Fernando on May 31, 2007 08:43 PM Permalink
funmanu, wat type of standards do u expect? Media and people ALSO contribute 50% in her protagonist tag.these are not to hurt anyone,i have just put forward my humble opinions
RE:RE:No substance
by Jai Fernando on May 31, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
pls don use the word mediocre.. there's lot of hard work behind every tennis player battling in French open.
RE:RE:RE:RE:No substance
by Jai Fernando on May 31, 2007 08:56 PM Permalink
i respect your view.At the same time,she has served as a role model for our future generations.
RE:No substance
by kamaal udd on May 31, 2007 08:50 PM Permalink
to JK Cricket : Sachin, saurav, harbhajan, kumble.....the list will go on...why singling out Zaheer khan?
RE:No substance
by saquib reza on May 31, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
in sports,my dear friend, is lot of hardworks.whether it is sania or zaheer they have achieved due to their hard work and determination....... its not the people like us who have created them........ may i ask u how much have u contributed to these mediocre players in their overhyped status... to criticize some is too easy,achievin even 1% of what they have achived is a dream .......... so dear they deserve what they r gettin....... plz tell me few sports person with whom u r satisfied... leander paes?no where in singles in his entire carrier. sachin?still being accused for not wining major matches anand?never got above anatoly karpov and kasparov what do u say?r they mediocre overhyped persons..? no body can easily match them......... we can talk about sania as mediocre....... tell me just another indian in the circuit.... oberoi sisters..........they r just waitin 4 wild card entries..(bred n braught up in us) so my dear countrymen......we as an hardcore indians shd encourage every one who r atleast showing a path at international stage
RE:RE:No substance
by Funmanu on May 31, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
Disagree with one name. Arundhati Roy is atleast a great writer ( i hope we are talking of the same person )
RE:No substance
by Funmanu on May 31, 2007 08:49 PM Permalink
OK. No arguments then. I like her but may be i am ignorant about some other aspects of her life.
RE:No substance
by Vinal Gandhi on May 31, 2007 08:54 PM Permalink
Arundhati is a big hypocrite just like her peers. Winning one booker prize has inflated her ego so much that she considers herself as supreme and above all. She criticizes everyone who does not agree with her revolting views including Supremet court of India
RE:RE:No substance
by Jinnah on May 31, 2007 08:52 PM Permalink
JK
The problem is "us" the people who are showering all their love on mediocres and even criminals in politics and bollywood (dear Sallu and Sanju babas). What to do about "us"
And there is no doubt that there are a lot of overpaid ppl around, not just in India but also elsewhere. The only way to beat them is to be able to provide better replacements.
RE:No substance
by subra on May 31, 2007 08:51 PM Permalink
you are right. It has becomf the practice that when someone gets through to the next round it is sweeping away and storming into. When it is out the wave pages are not available for writing any comments.
it will be better if no comments are invited for loss of sania or the over indulged Indian Cricketers. rather we should concetrate to the strong points of the nation. Thinking about the weak points are simply the wastage of time & energy. afterall they cannot bring any pride to our country rather if we dwell too much on sania & Cricket we will be the laughing stock to the outer world.
RE:storms and crashes
by Desi Maverick on May 31, 2007 08:14 PM Permalink
Sha! Looks like you havent had proper sleep of late. Sleep well, and you come across something called Dreams. There you can definitely see her enter the Grand-slam-bam-gnag-bang finale! ;)
RE:storms and crashes
by optimist on May 31, 2007 08:19 PM Permalink
Guys, try to come to reality. Her opponent today was a seeded player and she is a much better player. Sania has done well in this tournament. Good days are ahead for us. Encourage her as many people are not able to even watch a match at Ronald Garros. Better luck next time Sania.
RE:storms and crashes
by Super User on May 31, 2007 08:24 PM Permalink
Optimist, You dont seem to be in the same world as us! How can you say Sania did well, when all she won was 1 match. Players who have started to play the professional circuit after Sania have quickly moved up, while Sania seems to moving in the opposite direction.
I feel she is a very average player much like our cricketers.
RE:storms and crashes
by souhard kulkarni on May 31, 2007 10:34 PM Permalink
dear super user, could you pls give me example of a player who has started her career aft sania n had more success...
RE:storms and crashes
by Chandra Gowda on May 31, 2007 08:29 PM Permalink
she is improving but not in tennis.. she is doing more number of adds and working hard to learn acting so that she can do a bollywood film one day
RE:storms and crashes
by Desi Maverick on May 31, 2007 08:23 PM Permalink
Optimist! You are the other extreme where ppl sleep most of their life and dream, I have to think. There is no use having demi-semi-what-the-hell-gods in this country!
RE:storms and crashes
by subra on May 31, 2007 08:57 PM Permalink
Never. Let's not live in a pool's paradise. don't waste your energy praying for sania's progress. Better you pray for the progress of yourself and contribute to the nation.
RE:RE:storms and crashes
by souhard kulkarni on May 31, 2007 10:37 PM Permalink
sania is a player belongin to a country with the least scope to womens tennis....its just her third year in pro tennis....n u ppl think she wud win a g-slam...pls i think better than writin idiotic meaningless comments...u ppl better start playin tennis n reach g-slam finale..
RE:storms and crashes
by . on May 31, 2007 10:54 PM Permalink
Okay Kulkarni Saab, Keep dreaming of the day you'll wake up to find the picture of Sania on the front page of the newspaper, holding aloft the US Open or the Wimbledon trophy!!!!
Though its not a subject here, Leander is the best tennis player but a less recognised tennis player for India.He is a real fighter and he had his famous wins when he played for India in Davis cup.Despite of his age, he is still ready to play for country and gives his 150%.Despite of his differences with Mahesh, he is ever ready to team up with him for country's cause.Offlate he has been doing well in Doubles, But undoubtedly Leander is the pride of India and I still remember the emotions of him when he won the Bronze medal in olympics.We salute you Leander
RE:Leander
by souhard kulkarni on May 31, 2007 10:41 PM Permalink
he is gud but of course not the best...blitzkrieg...probably u have never heard of bryan bros. ..
RE:Leander
by subra on May 31, 2007 09:00 PM Permalink
Leander is a Bronze medalist in the olympics. How many from India from any discipline could achieve this?
This way Leander is worrth emulating and worshipping. Not tendulkar, not Dravid. I may be wrong in my view, Please correct if there is anything wrong.
RE:Leander
by Jinnah on May 31, 2007 08:28 PM Permalink
I remember ppl critisizing Leander all the time for winning in junior circuits and challenging him to compete with men. Exactly the same venom was thrown at him. He too was using his own effort and money to do whatever he could on his own. But people wont leave him alone.
When his personal problems became public, people criticized him for playing for himself instead of the nation.
Unless there is an involvement of personal ego and selfish interest one cannot succeed in any field other than social services. The only restriction should be that ego and interest must not go against the nation and humanity.
