Discussion Board
Watch this board

Total 123 messages Pages < Newer  | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5   Older >   >>
JAIPUR BLAST
by Praduymn Bhatt on May 16, 2008 07:21 PM  Permalink 

Jaipur blast is slap to the terrirists,who are not sucessful even after the series of blast.The Jaipur community has shown to them that they have piece and harmony & ready to face any challange because of Ganga Jamna Harmony between them.We pray the GOd to give piece to the departed body & they must live in peiece in the heaven.The Jaipur is today very NORMAL & Touriests are also not scattered with the instance because they have seen the piece in the city after BLAST.SALUTE to every one who faced the challange & kept the SANSKRATI of the country.Once against thanks to the people of the world who has given massage to us.Thanks a LOT.

    Forward  |  Report abuse
Message deleted by moderator. | Hide replies
RE:TERROR
by Dapse Devanand on May 16, 2008 05:29 PM  Permalink
i am fully agree with u

regards

dapse d.p


   Forward   |   Report abuse
jaipur blast
by Kishor joshi on May 16, 2008 03:00 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

80 people died in blast against that they will get jannet from ALLALA? as per as islamic religon belives that they fighting JIHAD what kind of jihad they are fighting are they really brave they are killing innocent people they and our centrel govt both are big enemy of humannity they are playing cruked game and we are helpless to change this mentaliti only we pray to god offer peace to that departed sole.

    Forward  |  Report abuse
RE:jaipur blast
by suhail on May 17, 2008 12:35 AM  Permalink
Mr. Joshi Please specify the name of the people those who will be in jannat after Jihad.I am asking this Question to you coz. i am also a muslim and I also love integrity and nationalism of India. Just start to think Positively coz terrorist are only Terrorist They may Hindu, Muslim ,Sikh and Christian, They do not belong to any community.

   Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:jaipur blast
by prashanth on May 17, 2008 12:46 PM  Permalink
But onething Suhail, now a days TERRORIST means it mainly beacuase of muslims only..(about 90%)....So please don't argue on this issue...I know in Muslims also NATION LOVING PEOPLE are there....,,,but whether it is INDIA or PAKISTAN supporting people is the main thing...
One thing in all MUSLIMS Heart they will keep some atleast 10% place for PAKISTAN or BANGLADESH....because in their mind it was there,,,i.e their foreheads are all leaving in these countries.....!!!
Thats why in India terrorist means it is mainly due to MUSLIMS only.....I will agree terrorist is not to any community....!!!!But in other religions it was came from birth itself that I am an INDIAN....But in Muslims it will not come form their heart that i am an INDIAN...

   Forward   |   Report abuse
Message deleted by moderator. | Hide replies
RE:STUPID MUSLIMS
by Rajeev Singh on May 16, 2008 09:46 AM  Permalink
DEAR MR SHASHTRY I THINK WE SHOULD NOT BLAIM ON THE ENTIRE MUSLIM COMMUNITY. OUR EX PRESIDENT WAS ALOS MUSLIM WHO GAVE US NUCLEAR POWER. THE MILITANTS WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN JAIPUR IS TOTALLY AGAINST THE HUMINITY WHICH IS NOT A PART OF MUSLIM ACTIVITY.
INDIAN SECURITY FORCES SHOULD TAKE EITHER STRAIGHT FORWARD ACTIONS AGAINST MILITANTS OR SHOULD GO FOR THE RELIABILITY CENTERED SECURITY SYSTEM. RATHER THE SECURITY FORCES DO ACTION ON SECURITY CONTROL, THEY SHOULD WORK ON THE SECURITY ASSURANCE. SECURITY FORCES ALONG GOVERNMENT FIND OUT THE WEAKNESS OF SECURITY SYSTEMS AND SHOULD THEN TAKE ACTION THAT HOW CAN AND HOW FAR THEY ASSURE THE SECURITY SYSTEM.
RAJEEV

   Forward   |   Report abuse
reply to nishant mail
by Mohd Faheem on May 15, 2008 04:55 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

RUTHLESS IS NOT THE CORRECT TRANSLATION OF THE WORD SHIDDAT WHICH MEANS SEVERELY OR WITH INTENSITY. HERE THIS MEANS THAT BE CRITIC AND BE TOUGH (SEVERE) WHEN PEOPLE OPPOSE YOUR FAITH IN ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER AND DO NOT SUCCUMB TO THEIR PRESSURE

REMARK:
FURTHER THERE ARE MANY %u2013 MANY VERSES FROM THE HOLY QURAN WHICH I WILL WRITE LATER WHICH SAYS TO MANKIND TO LIVE IN PEACE AND DO NOT SPREAD VOILENCE. AND QURAN CANNOT CONTRADICT ITSELF. SO I REQUEST ALL OF YOU THAT WHEN YOU READ THE QURAN PLEASE READ IT THOROUGHLY AND COMPLETELY AND WITH ITS SUMMARY WHICH WILL HELP YOU TO UNDERSTAND IN A RIGHT MANNER.
HOPE THE ABOVE VERSES ARE NOW UNDERSTOOD PROPERLY.
THANKS

FAHEEM


    Forward  |  Report abuse
RE:reply to nishant mail
by rajiv mahajan on May 15, 2008 05:37 PM  Permalink
Faheem Bhai, I am impressed. But tell me one thing - a muslim child is born & brought up to watch an innocent lamb sliced cruelly with blood oozing out. How can such a child have mercy, compassion and other such virtues in him ? Is it not time for Islam to reform ? Quran may be holy but pactised Islam doesnot seem to be.

   Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:reply to nishant mail
by ajay singh on May 15, 2008 07:02 PM  Permalink
great nishant,that is the crux of inhumanity.Practising the holy book is good but if it says to kill people that is shocking.Holy books never says to harm the people and who are these people to judge what is right and wrong.

   Forward   |   Report abuse
RE:RE:reply to nishant mail
by suhail on May 17, 2008 12:44 AM  Permalink
Are you telling this story of all muslim or some persons that you have seen or you heard this from some people. This a fake story coz despite of am muslim I am apur vegeterian and cant see sliceing of any animal and also unable to see oozing out of blood.

   Forward   |   Report abuse
reply to nishant mail
by Mohd Faheem on May 15, 2008 04:54 PM  Permalink 

[47.4] So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners...
THIS VERSE AS WRITTEN WHEN YOU MEET IN THE BATTLE IS MEANT FOR BATTLE FIELD ONLY. IF YOU ARE ARE SOLDIER AND IN WAR WITH ANY NATION YOU HAVE TO FIRE AND KILL THE OPPONENT AND THIS IS EXACTLY MENTIONED IN THIS VERSE AND ASK TO NOT TO KILL THE MAN IN YOUR STRIDE AND MAKE THEM PRISONERS.

[48.29] Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.
THE VERSE 9;123 AND 48;29 SENDS ALMOST THE SAME MESSAGE SO I AM ELABORATING BOTH OF TEM HERE.
THERE ARE TIMES WHEN A PERSON TURNS TO %u2018IMAN%u2019 FROM DISBELIEF TO BELIEVING IN ALLAH AND HE GETS THE MAXIMUM OPPOSE FROM HIS NEAR AND DEAR ONE ONLY. LIKE IN MANY CASES A SON TURNS TO BE A MUSLIM BUT HIS FAMILY (FATHER, MOTHER, SISTER ETC) STANDS AGAINST HIM. SO THIS VERSE IS FOR THOSE PEOPLE ASKING THEM TO STAND FIRM IN THEIR FAITH AND DO NOT SUCCUMB TO THE PRESSURE BY THE NEAR ONES AND FIGHT (ARGUE/BE TOUGH) AND IN HEART SHOULD KNOW THAT ALLAH IS WITH YOU.


    Forward  |  Report abuse
reply to nishant mail
by Mohd Faheem on May 15, 2008 04:52 PM  Permalink 

[9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).
PL. REFER BELOW 48:29

[22.39] Permission (to fight) is given to those upon whom war is made because they are oppressed, and most surely Allah is well able to assist them.
SIMILAIR TO 4;75 IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO RAISE VOICE AND FIGHT IF THERE IS OPPRESSION.
[33.61] Cursed: wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering.
PLEASE READ FIRST 33;60
THIS VERSE SAYS MUSHRIKEENS - HYPROCRITES ( MUSHRIK IS THE ONE WHO IS A MUSLIM BUT DO NOT FOLLOW THE RELIGION AND FIND WAYS ACCORDING TO HIS OWN WILL)
IF THE HYPOCRITES (MUSHRIKS) AND THOSE IN WHOSE HEARTS IS A DISEASE AND TOSE WHO SPREAD FALSE NEWS AMONG PEOPLE IN AL MADINA CEASE NOT. WE SHALL CERTAINLY LET YOU OVERPOWER THEM, THEN THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO STAY IN IT AS YOUR NEIGHBOURS BUT A LITTLE WHILE.
SO THIS VERSE IS FOR MUSLIMS ONLY (BY NAME AND NOT BE DEEDS) AND FURTHER IT IS FOR THAT TIME ONLY AS ITSPECIFIES THE PEOPLE OF CITY OF MADINA AT THAT POINT OF TIME.



    Forward  |  Report abuse
reply to nishant mail
by Mohd Faheem on May 15, 2008 04:52 PM  Permalink 

[9.14] Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them and heal the hearts of a believing people.
THIS VERSE IS AGAIN FOR THAT PERIOD ONLY FROM SURAH TAUBA AND IS EXTENSION OF THE VERSES. TO UNDERSTAND THIS 9:12 AND 9:13 IS MUST TO UNDERSTAND AS MENTIONED BELOW:
9;12 BUT IF THEY VIOLATE THEIR OATH (TREATY) AFTER THEIR COVENANT, AND ATTACK YOUR RELIGION WITH DISAPPROVAL AND CRISTICISM THEN FIGHT (YOU) THE LEADERS OF DISBELIFS (CHIEFS OF QURAISH %u2013 PAGANS OF MAKKAH) FOR SURELY THEIR OATH ARE NOTHING TO THEM %u2013 SO THAT THEY MAY STOP (EVIL DEEDS)
9:13 WILL YOU NOT FIGHT PEOPLE WHO VIOLATED THIER OATHS (PAGANS OF MAKKA) AND INTENDED TO EXPEL THE MESSENGER, WHILE THEY DID ATTACK YOU FIRST? DO YOU FEAR THEM? ALLAH HAS MORE RIGHT THAT YOU SHOULD FEAR HIM, IF YOU ARE BELIEVERS.
SO THESE VERSES EXPLAINS THE CONNECTION WITH VERSE 9;14 AND ALSO EXPLAINS THAT IT IS FOR THAT PERIOD ONLY.

[9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!
I REALLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU FIND THE MESSAGE TO MUSLIMS TO SPREAD VOILNECE IN THIS MESSAGE AS IT IS SAID BY ALLAH IN THIS VERSE THAT THE JEWS AND CHRISTIANS SAY THAT CHRIST AND EZRA ARE THE SON OF GOD AND ALLAH SAYS THAT THERE IS ALLAH%u2019S CURSE ON THEM.


    Forward  |  Report abuse
reply to nishant mail
by Mohd Faheem on May 15, 2008 04:50 PM  Permalink 

BY BOTH SIDES AND ULTIMATELY MUSLIMS WON THE WAR. SO THIS AYAT WAS REVEALED AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT OF TIME TO GIVE BOOST TO THE MUSLIMS IN THE WAR FIELD. FURTHER IT HIS VERSE IS FOLLOWED BY ANOTHER VERSE WHICH IS MENTIONED BELOW:

8;13 THIS IS BECAUSE THEY DEIFIED AND DISOBEYED ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER. AND WHOSEVER DEFIES AND DISOBEYS ALLAH AND HIS MESSAENGER THEN VERILY ALLAH IS SEVERE IN PUNISHMENT.

HENCE THIS SHOWS THAT THE ABOVE MENTIONED VERSES WERE MEANT FOR THAT PARTICULAR PERIOD.

[9.5] When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way.

THIS VERSE IS AGAIN FOR THAT PERIOD ONLY WHEN MUSLIMS WON THE MAKKAH BACK. THERE WERE SOME TREATY%u2019S WERE MADE BY MUSLIMS AND MUSHRIKUNS (DISBELIEVERS). MUSHRIKS WERE BREAKING THOSE TREATIES FROM TIME TO TIME. SO AFTER MAKKAH WAS WON THIS VERSE WAS REVEALED FOLLOWED BY THIS VERSE:

9:6 AND IF ANYONE OF THE MUSHRIKUN (DISBELIEVERS) SEEKS YOUR PROTECTION THAN GRANT HIM PROTECTION, SO THAT HE MAY HEAR THE WORD OF ALLAH (THE QURAN) AND THEN ESCORT HIM WHERE HE CAN BE SECURE, THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE MEN WHO KNOW NOT.



    Forward  |  Report abuse
reply to nishant mail
by Mohd Faheem on May 15, 2008 04:49 PM  Permalink 

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Satan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Satan; surely the strategy of the Satan is weak.

THE AYAT 4:76 COMES AFTER 4:75 WHICH SAYS:

AND WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU THAT YOU FIGHT NOT IN THE CAUSE OF ALLAH, AND FOR THOSE WEAK, ILL TREATED AND OPPRESSED AMONG MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN, WHOSE CRY IS: OUR LORD! RESCUE US FROM THIS TOWN WHOSE PEOPLE ARE OPPRESSORS; AND RAISE FOR US FROM YOU ONE WHO WILL PROTECT AND RAISE FOR US FROM YOU ONE WHO WILL HELP.

SO THESE TWO AYATS EXPLAINS THAT IF THERE IS OPPRESSION ON YOU THEN YOU FIGHT IN THE CAUSE OF ALLAH. FURTHER FIGHTING AS EXPLAINED HAS ITS OWN DEGREE OF EXTENT WHICH IS FROM MERE RAISING YOUR VOICE AGAINST THE EVIL TO ACTUAL FIGHTING.



[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

THIS VESRE WAS REVEALED AT THE TIME OF WAR OF BADR WHEN PROPHET MUHAMMAD AND HIS FOLLOWERS WERE ENGAGED IN THE FIRST BATTLE WITH THE DISBELIEVERS. THE DISBELIEVERS WERE ABOUT 1000 IN NUMBERS AND MUSLIMS WERE ONLY 72. THE DISBELIEVERS WERE WITH HORSES, CAMELS AND HUGE WEAPONRY WHERE AS THE MUSLIMS WERE HARDLY 2 HORSES AND VERY LITTLE WEAPONS HAVE. THEN ALLAH DESCENDED ANGELS FROM THE SKY WHICH FOUGHT WITH THE MUSLIMS THOUGH NOT SEEN BUT FELT BY BO

    Forward  |  Report abuse
Total 123 messages Pages: < Newer  | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5   Older >   >>
Write a message