the followers of islam say (like a copy cat) god is created everything and he is omnipresent. these guys only then say god can not reside in idols. hinduism starts with the concept of infinity as written in kathoponishad. realization of this concept is beyond the comprehension of muslims. hinduism says this concept of infinity is there in our body and soul. this is BRAHMA. brahma, vishnu, maheswar, the gods of hindu trinity, have said time and again thru their incarnations, in partcular lord rama and lord krishna, this infinity, also called destiny, is a supreme power. hinduism started this concept of infinity which we read in our mathematics book and also in abstract philosophy.. it is difficult for any muslim to even have a simple understanding of what this concept is, since their minds are blocked. they have not even gone thru the first issue of koran written by the scholars of islam who were contemporaries of their prophet.
RE:islamic intellect
by Ditcher on Jun 01, 2008 03:44 PM Permalink
You Hindus are blind in blind faith!!!!!!!!
HINDUISM as a faith is vague, amorphous, many sided, all things to all men. It is hardly possible to define it, or indeed to say definitely whether it is a religion or not, in the usual sense of the word. In its present form, and even in the past, it embraces many beliefs and practices, from the highest to the lowest, often opposed to or contradicting each other."
RE:islamic intellect
by sri on Jun 01, 2008 10:20 PM Permalink
That is why hinduism is so tolerant and islam is not. It is a reflection of life and its myriad complexities, its highs and lows. Islam is simplistic and upholds only a single value namely brotherhood but otherwise it is spiritually deficient unlike hinduism. What you call contradictory is an appearance of the externalities of truth but when you probe deeper you will find a single truth. Islam does not have the intellectual or spiritual depth to comprehend these things and that is why it will always be just another religion and will not survive the future once man becomes more sophisticated and spiritual. The turmoil you see today is an indication of this incapacity in islam and not just some extremists taking over.
RE:BeAware BeAware BeAware BeAware BeAware
by CaptJackSparrow on Jun 01, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
Why any one in asia should believe in middle east faith ???
Why your god dont care for we asian, why there is no your prophet came here to enlighten us. Are we not human ?
Why there is holly message for arab people only ???
RE:BeAware BeAware BeAware BeAware BeAware
by Sadique on Jun 01, 2008 03:17 PM Permalink
Islam is never for Middle east and Holy messages are never for Arab only....It is for entire world and that is why it spread so rapidly in the world even today most rapidly spreading religion in west and in US is Islam u can search in google by usrself Captain.........
RE:Terrorism, the most inhuman crime
by aasif on Jun 01, 2008 03:00 PM Permalink
wah,wah kya bat hai, but Zehad is our duty,we r islami not the qafir,we will cont.Zehad
RE:Answer this if you feel hinduism is not superior religion.
by Indian Muslim Patriotic on Jun 01, 2008 02:50 PM Permalink
Nearly four thousand years ago, in the Sumerian town of Ur in the valley of the river Euphrates, lived a young man named Abraham. The people of Ur had once worshipped Allah but as time passed they forgot the true religion and started praying to idols, statues made of wood or clay and sometimes even of precious stones. Even as a small child Abraham could not understand how his people, and especially his father, could make these images with their own hands, call them gods, and then worship them. He had always refused to join his people when they paid respect to these statues. Instead he would leave the town and sit alone, thinking about the heavens and the world about him. He was sure his people were doing wrong and so alone he searched for the right way. One clear night as he sat staring at the sky he saw a beautiful shining star, so beautiful that he cried out: 'This must be Allah!' He looked at it in awe for some time, until suddenly it began to fade and then it disappeared. He turned away in disappointment saying: I love not things that set. (Koran vi.77) On another night Abraham was again looking at the sky and he saw the rising moon, so big and bright that he felt he could almost touch it. He thought to himself:
RE:Answer this if you feel hinduism is not superior religion.
by drax on Jun 01, 2008 02:54 PM Permalink
SEE WHAT i MEAN? ALL YOU CAN DO IS CUT AND PASTE. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ORIGINAL TO SAY AT ALL.
RE:Answer this if you feel hinduism is not superior religion.
by Indian Muslim Patriotic on Jun 01, 2008 02:57 PM Permalink
This is my Lord. (Koran vi.7 ) But it was not long before the moon set as well. Then he said, Unless my Lord guide me, I surely shall become one of the folk who are astray. (Koran vi.7) Abraham then saw the beauty and splendor of the sunrise and decided that the sun must be the biggest and most powerful thing in the universe. But for the third time he was wrong, for the sun set at the end of the day. It was then that he realized that Allah is the Most Powerful, the Creator of the stars, the moon, the sun, the earth and of all living things. Suddenly he felt himself totally at peace, because he knew that he had found the Truth. When he said unto his father and his folk: What do you worship? They said: We worship idols, and are ever devoted to them. He said: Do they hear you when you cry? Or do they benefit or harm you? They said: Nay, but we found our fathers acting in this manner. He said: See now that which you worship, you and your forefathers! Lo! They are (all) an enemy to me, except the Lord of the Worlds. Who created me, and He guides me, And Who feeds me and waters me. And when I sicken, then He heals me. And Who causes me to die, then gives me life (again) And Who, I ardently hope, will forgive me my sin on the Day of Judgment. (Koran xxvi.70-82)
RE:Answer this if you feel hinduism is not superior religion.
by Guest on Jun 01, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
please my friend...there has been thousands of prophets that has been send by god all over the world.the quran itself says this.its just that only a few of the prophets has been mentioned in the quran.if he had to mention all prophets that has come to the world then the holy quran will be filled with those names only.please do check your facts before emailing it my brother.we all learn from our mistakes.i hope this was really helpful
RE:Answer this if you feel hinduism is not superior religion.
by CaptJackSparrow on Jun 01, 2008 02:50 PM Permalink
My question is for abrahamic faith believe people.
these muslims are claiming they are in constant touch with their god. they think almighty god who has created the entire cosmos can not reside in an idol (the fact they worship the kaba black stone is of course a different issue). they do not understand any meaning of the mantras recited by the hindus for worshiping the idols. these mantras lead the soul to god and are pathfinders for salvation. it is stupid to make efforts to help people realize who do not think. islam is a penal code, not a religion based on evolving philosophy. they believe if they do not loudly perform five minute namaz for five times a day, their god will be angry. such a terrible mental block indeed that one can not help feeling sad.
according to hinduism, the ultimate reward for a soul is to merge with the paramatma (God according to u) ... when u achieve that, sex with virgins, wealth , everthing becomes meaningless ...
That paramatma is defined in Hinduism to be the Holy Trinity - who takes the form of creator, preserver, destroyer - all the avatars : rama, krishna, hanuman - are incarnations of one or other form of that trinity - so idol worship for that form is nothing but a means of connecting and concentrating with that divine One ... Idol worship is thus a form of associating sanctity with elememts of the world , like in algebra representing untangibles with symbols to make worship and concentration channelised ... its part of a metaphysical thought process to acknowledge the whole creation to be of, by and for God's ...
in Arya Samaj u can follow Rig Veda and worship with or without idols !
And as for idols- they only represent aspects of the trinity ! by breaking a idol u cant hurt God just like by killing a person physically u cant kill his soul - so think scientifically
RE:RE:idolatry
by Sadique on Jun 01, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
So Sunil....U r also believing in one God (Paramaatmaa) then why people usualyy abusing and hurting in the name of allah...why we can not think that Paramatma is same as Allah....as stated in Quran allah sent Prophets in every tribe or race...why can't we feel that all unamed Krishna or Rama or others can be probphets in our view like jesus, Moses and Ibrahim are prophets for us..........Why is this fight and hatred.......I never see any Muslims to use any abusive words against other's religion unless provoked...but always Few people are using abusing or objectionable words agianst Islam, Allah or Prophet....
RE:idolatry
by drax on Jun 01, 2008 02:47 PM Permalink
No point. These Islamic barbarians will never undersatnd enlightened eastern religions. They are not advanced enough for them.
RE:idolatry
by Indian Muslim Patriotic on Jun 01, 2008 02:49 PM Permalink
I believe you RSS folks got big team to post messages in this board, specailly to blame Islam amd muslims.
RE:idolatry
by drax on Jun 01, 2008 02:52 PM Permalink
I dont blame you but your foolishness which allows the Mullahs to take control of you. Dont follow any religion. learn to use your brain and beware of all religious teachers, thats all I am saying.
even you became on trap of Television News, if you really wants to know what Islam teaches then ask any of your muslims friend, but he must have knowledge in islam. Ask him You'll know the truth, but if you follow the news then only thing you'll know that is violence.
RE:idolatry
by drax on Jun 01, 2008 02:57 PM Permalink
Yes my most of my Muslim friends know what Islam is and have stopped practiciing it, unlike you.
RE:idolatry
by Sadique on Jun 01, 2008 02:58 PM Permalink
Anand....It is allah's satemnet in Quran that Allah always sent prophets and religion of truth in every race... 1. It is our understanding wat we shud follow...as u said about Kaba...we are not bowing for Kaba but bowing for allah and every muslim say that before performing namaz..that Allah I am performing namaz of so and so for allah in the direction of Kaba(which we(Muslims) believe as home of allah in this world), and ofcourse it is been prohibited to muslims to pray to Idol's as the idols have been made by humans and something which is created by humans can not be god........and God never need any shape or size...it always reside in ur heart whatever religion u r following........ 2. As per as mantras concerns...yes we do not understand bcoz it is stated that "Allah is God and Prophet mohammed is Last prophet and Islam is last religion all earlier books and prophets needs respect but follow the one which is sent recently to human kind" 3. Well Islam is not penal Code...Shaiath in Islam is like penal code...Islam is religion which shows how to live life...which shows what is God and wat people shud do for his creature...and Quran is holy book of Islam which gives all divine knowlege to it's follower 4. Well like every other religion Muslims are praying to thier god...It's been asked to send salath to thier creature who has given Food, Water and all other resources which he is consuming every day...so why not we shud pray everyday
RE:Jay hindu
by Indian Muslim Patriotic on Jun 01, 2008 02:44 PM Permalink
Nearly four thousand years ago, in the Sumerian town of Ur in the valley of the river Euphrates, lived a young man named Abraham. The people of Ur had once worshipped Allah but as time passed they forgot the true religion and started praying to idols, statues made of wood or clay and sometimes even of precious stones. Even as a small child Abraham could not understand how his people, and especially his father, could make these images with their own hands, call them gods, and then worship them. He had always refused to join his people when they paid respect to these statues. Instead he would leave the town and sit alone, thinking about the heavens and the world about him. He was sure his people were doing wrong and so alone he searched for the right way. One clear night as he sat staring at the sky he saw a beautiful shining star, so beautiful that he cried out: 'This must be Allah!' He looked at it in awe for some time, until suddenly it began to fade and then it disappeared. He turned away in disappointment saying: I love not things that set. (Koran vi.77) On another night Abraham was again looking at the sky and he saw the rising moon, so big and bright that he felt he could almost touch it. He thought to himself:
RE:RE:Jay hindu
by Indian Muslim Patriotic on Jun 01, 2008 02:45 PM Permalink
This is my Lord. (Koran vi.7 ) But it was not long before the moon set as well. Then he said, Unless my Lord guide me, I surely shall become one of the folk who are astray. (Koran vi.7) Abraham then saw the beauty and splendor of the sunrise and decided that the sun must be the biggest and most powerful thing in the universe. But for the third time he was wrong, for the sun set at the end of the day. It was then that he realized that Allah is the Most Powerful, the Creator of the stars, the moon, the sun, the earth and of all living things. Suddenly he felt himself totally at peace, because he knew that he had found the Truth. When he said unto his father and his folk: What do you worship? They said: We worship idols, and are ever devoted to them. He said: Do they hear you when you cry? Or do they benefit or harm you? They said: Nay, but we found our fathers acting in this manner. He said: See now that which you worship, you and your forefathers! Lo! They are (all) an enemy to me, except the Lord of the Worlds. Who created me, and He guides me, And Who feeds me and waters me. And when I sicken, then He heals me. And Who causes me to die, then gives me life (again) And Who, I ardently hope, will forgive me my sin on the Day of Judgment. (Koran xxvi.70-82)
RE:RE:RE:Jay hindu
by Indian Muslim Patriotic on Jun 01, 2008 02:46 PM Permalink
One day, while all the townspeople were out, Abraham angrily smashed all the idols with his right hand except for one, which was very large. When the people returned they were furious. They remembered the things Abraham had said about the idols. They had him brought forth before everyone and demanded, ‘Is it you who did this to our gods, O Abraham?' Abraham replied, ‘But this their chief did it. Ask them, if they are able to speak ' The people exclaimed, ‘You know they do not speak.' ‘Do you worship what you yourselves have carved when Allah created you and what you make?' Abraham continued, ‘Do you worship instead of Allah that which cannot profit you at all, nor harm you?' (Koran xxxvii.9S--6) (Koran xxi.66) Finally, Abraham warned them, Serve Allah, and keep your duty unto Him; that is better for you if you did but know. You serve instead of Allah only idols, and you only invent a lie. Lo! Those whom you serve instead of Allah own no provision for you. So seek your provision from Allah, and serve Him, and give thanks unto Him, (for) unto Him you will be brought back. (Koran xxix. 16-17)
RE:RE:RE:RE:Jay hindu
by Indian Muslim Patriotic on Jun 01, 2008 02:46 PM Permalink
The people of Ur decided to give Abraham the worst punishment they could find: he was to be burnt to death. On the chosen day all the people gathered in' the centre of the city and even the King of Ur was there. Abraham was then placed inside a special building filled with wood. The wood was lit. Soon the fire became so strong that the people were pushed back by the flames. But Allah said: O fire, be coolness and peace for Abraham. (Koran xxi.69) The people waited until the fire had completely died down, and it was then that they saw Abraham still sitting there as though nothing had happened! At that moment they were utterly confused. They were not, however, moved by the miracle that had just happened before their very eyes. Still Abraham tried to persuade his own dear father, who was named Azar, not to worship powerless, un-seeing, un-hearing statues. Abraham explained that special knowledge had come to him and implored his father, ‘So follow me and I will lead you on the right path. O my father! Don't serve the Devil.' But Azar would not listen. He threatened his son with stoning if he continued to reject the gods of Ur. He ordered Abraham to leave the city with these words: 'Depart from me a long while.' Abraham said, 'Peace be upon you! I shall ask my Lord's forgiveness for you. Surely He was ever gracious to me.’ ( Koran xix.43-7)
Each time there is a bomb blast like the recent one in Jaipur, the Indian State reaches out its 'long arms of injustice' to pick a scapegoat from amidst the Indian population to cover up its own incompetence in providing security to its citizens.
The hapless creature, decorated and demonized by the 'fashion designers' of Indian officialdom, is then paraded before the entire nation to create a public spectacle prior to its ritual sacrifice.
The armchair warriors then call for 'tougher laws' to deal with terrorism while the scapegoat disappears forever into the black hole of the Indian prison system.
That the 'prime suspects' in such cases always happen to be bearded young Muslim men and Islamic theologists to boot is not a surprise at all. In the racist imagination of theadministration, police , intelligence agencies , security forces, sections of the media and politicians all the criminals in this country wear their 'criminality' on their faces- the suspects are always MAD- Muslim, Adivasi, Dalit.
RE:Scapegoats and Holy Cows' %u2013 The Indian State's 'Response' to Terrorism
by Indian Muslim Patriotic on Jun 01, 2008 02:30 PM Permalink
Whether it be the Hashimpura massacre of 1987, the Babri Masjid demolition and the Mumbai massacre of 1992, the Gujarat genocide of 2002 or the Nanded bomb blasts of 2002, the real culprits are either never apprehended and even if they are - never punished. Despite the open involvement of the leaders of the BJP and Shiv Sena , RSS, VHP and other Sangh outfits in a systematic and consistent hate campaign, organised communal massacres and in stockpiling and manufacture of arms they are never declared terrorist organisations and banned. Open armed parade by the RSS , Trishul dikshas Dikshas are tolerated and allowed. They are the holy cows who are never touched.
RE:Scapegoats and Holy Cows' %u2013 The Indian State's 'Response' to Terrorism
by CaptJackSparrow on Jun 01, 2008 02:44 PM Permalink
what about genocide by coward muslim of woman and children in godhra train.
What about coward act of babar who destroyed ram temple in ayodhya.
Bring all them to justice after that only, my brother tell hindus are terrorists.
