RE:The word Islam means peace!!!
by Abdul Samad on Jun 01, 2008 10:59 AM Permalink
"Seek the abode of the hereafter with what God has given you, without forgetting your portion of the world. And do good as God has been good to you. And do not seek to cause corruption in the earth. God does not love corrupters."(Quran, 28:77)
No matter how immoral or hostile others behaving, a Muslim is supposed to only act justly.
"O You who believe! Show integrity for the sake of God, bearing witness with justice. Do not let hatred for a people incite you into not being just. Be just. That is closer to faith. Heed God [alone]. God is aware of what you do."(Quran, 5:8)
The existence of hypocritical people who emerge in the name of God and religion, but actually organise themselves to commit wickedness condemned by Allah, is indicated in the Quran. One verse talks about a gang of nine men who planned to murder the Prophet by swearing in the name of God:
“There was a gang of nine men in the city causing corruption in the land and not putting things right. They said, “Let us make an oath to one another by God that we will fall on him and his family in the night and then say to his protector, We did not witness the destruction of his family and we are telling the truth.” They hatched a plot and We hatched a plot while they were not aware."(Quran, 27:48-50)
As this incident described in the Quran reveals, the fact that people do things "in the name of God" or even swear in His name, in other words that they use the kind of language designed to show themselves
RE:RE:The word Islam means peace!!!
by Abdul Samad on Jun 01, 2008 11:00 AM Permalink
As this incident described in the Quran reveals, the fact that people do things "in the name of God" or even swear in His name, in other words that they use the kind of language designed to show themselves as very religious, does not mean that what they do is in conformity with religion. On the contrary, what they do can be quite against the will of God and the morality of religion.
This being the case, it is obvious what great sins are the murders, massacres and attacks, popularly known as “suicide attacks”, committed by terrorists. God informs us how this cruel face of terrorism will be punished in the world to come in the following verse:
"There are only grounds against those who wrong people and act as tyrants in the earth without any right to do so. Such people will have a painful punishment."(Quran, 42:42)
Terror organisations, in accordance with the ideologies they espouse, claim that their aim is to remove a government and its administrators, which they regard as illegitimate and cruel and, in so doing, that they will reach their goal of establishing a happier and more just way of life. However, this is not a realistic claim. In the Quran, in the first verses of Sura Baqara, God issues this command to those who think in this way:
"When they are told, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are only putting things right." No indeed! They are the corrupters, but they are not aware of it."(Quran, 2:11-12)
RE:RE:RE:The word Islam means peace!!!
by Abdul Samad on Jun 01, 2008 11:01 AM Permalink
It is quite impossible for someone who fears God and has grasped the true morality of Islam to support violence or wickedness, or to take part in such actions. When the sublime morality of the Quran is explained, it will be impossible for people to connect true Islam with those who support or join groups that aim at hatred, war and chaos. See this verse from the Quran;
"Whenever he holds the upperhand, he goes about the earth corrupting it, destroying (people's) crops and breeding stock. God does not love corruption. When he is told to have fear of God, he is seized by pride which drives him to wrongdoing. Hell will be enough for him! What an evil resting-place. (Quran, 2:205-206)
The true justice described in the Quran commands man to behave justly, making no discrimination between people, to protect peoples’ rights, not to permit violence and no matter what the circumstances, to side with the oppressed against the oppressor and to help the needy.
"O You who believe! Be upholders of justice, bearing witness for God alone, even against yourselves or your parents and relatives. Whether they are rich or poor, God is well able to look after them. Do not follow your own desires and deviate from the truth. If you twist or turn away, God is aware of what you do." (Quran, 4:135)
Allah has described the believers in the Quran as:
“those who give in times of both ease and hardship, those who control their rage and pardon other people – God loves the good-doers" (Quran
RE:RE:RE:RE:The word Islam means peace!!!
by Abdul Samad on Jun 01, 2008 11:01 AM Permalink
The true source of compassion is love of God. This strong love and closeness he feels for the Lord, who created him and all mankind, leads him to display a pleasing morality, as commanded in the Quran.
"Be good to your parents and relatives and to orphans and the very poor, and to neighbours who are related to you and neighbours who are not related to you, and to companions and travellers and your servants. God does not love anyone vain or boastful." (Quran, 4:36)
Again;
"Charity (zakat) is for: the poor, the destitute, those who collect it, reconciling people’s hearts, freeing slaves, those in debt, spending in the Way of God, and travellers. It is a legal obligation from God. God is All-Knowing, All-Wise."(Quran, 9:60)
This high level of morality that is demanded from believers, described in the Quran, stems from their deep love of God. In the Quran, God has expressly revealed that hell will be the outcome for those who knowingly refuse to live by the morality of the Quran:
“What has brought you into hell-fire?” They will say, “We were not among those who prayed and we did not feed the poor.” (Quran, 74:42-44)
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:The word Islam means peace!!!
by Abdul Samad on Jun 01, 2008 11:02 AM Permalink
"Have you seen him who denies the religion? He is the one who harshly rebuffs the orphan and does not urge the feeding of the poor. (Quran, 107:1-3)
...nor do you urge the feeding of the poor (Quran, 89:18)
Islam is a religion which provides and guarantees freedom of ideas, thought and life. In the same way that it is determinedly opposed to terrorism and all acts of violence, it has also forbidden even the slightest ideological pressure to be put on them:
"There is no compulsion in religion. True guidance has become clearly distinct from error."(Quran, 2:256)
"So remind them! You are only a reminder. You are not in control of them."(Quran, 88:21-22)
“You are not responsible for their guidance, but God guides whoever He wills.” (Quran, 2:272)
When Muslims are faced with opposition from others in regards to their beliefs, they are supposed to reply along the lines of: “To you your religion, and to me, mine” (Quran, 109:6)
Forcing any person to believe, or trying to impose anything on him, is a violation of Quranic morality. In fact, God issues a reminder to believers in the Quran:
I AM GIVING OPEN CHALLENGE TO ANY ISLAMIC SCHOLAR IN THE WHOLE WORLD TO SHOW ME FROM THE HOLY QURAN WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT FORCEFUL CONVERSION I WILL TEAR HIS LOGIC APART IN TWO MINUTES FROM THE HOLY QURAN ITSELF I CAN PROVE IN TWO MIN UTES THAT ISLAM CLEARLY SAYS THAT THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION REMEMBERFRIENDS SPEAK TO A QUALIFIED ISLAMIC SCHOLAR NOT SOMONE WHO CANNOT EVEN DISTINGUISH HIS RIGHT HAND FROM HIS OWN LEFT
RE:challenge to muslim clerics
by amitabh_badchalan on Jun 01, 2008 10:59 AM Permalink
KHALID...THER'S NO WHERE IN QURAN....QURAN RATHER SAYS..INVITE IN THE MOST POLITE MANNER TO ISLAM IF THEY ARE NOT WILLING THEN SAY " TO YOU YOUR RELIGION TO ME MINE(RELIGION)....
BUT SOME HATE MONGERS ARE HELL BENT ON CREATING MORE DIVIDE AND TROUBLE AMONG THE BEAUTIFUL CREATION OF GOD BY FALSE PROPAGATION
RE:challenge to muslim clerics
by sam on Jun 01, 2008 11:22 AM Permalink
Now Mr. Mukherjee its you who sounds like a "Jehadi", who is trying to disrupt a peaceful conversation without any valid reason. The days of Mr Mukherjee and his ilk are numbered, I mean, they will continue to live but their voices which have been preaching hatred ad-nauseam will henceforth be drowned.
RE:challenge to muslim clerics
by san df on Jun 01, 2008 11:20 AM Permalink
Dear khalidji. thr r so many ppl here who abuse each other religions in this forum whose credibility and genuineness is questionable. plz dont listen to them. letz all live in peace no matter whichevr religion he is frm. earlier before usin such forums to make comments wer not thr and evrythin wasa alrite for me. but now ppl abusin hindus and hinduism and the same to other religions is creatin a lot of ugly stress mentally. rediff must take up this issue seriously, check all the comments before publishin it and ban ppl who unnecessarily create tension. such ppl do it for their own sake of sadistic fun. we all can hav a proper dialogue.
RE:challenge to muslim clerics
by RRAMESH on Jun 01, 2008 11:43 AM Permalink
Forcible conversions during moghul rule is the cause of so much muslims in India at present.In 1947 pakistan had 25% hindus .Where are they now? Either forcibly converted or killed. Is is not?
RE:Write NARUQ - Opposite of Quran
by Spiderman on Jun 01, 2008 11:01 AM Permalink
Don't run....be courageous and go with all RSS to Afganisthan instead of behaving like impotent on this message board...
RE:Write NARUQ - Opposite of Quran
by Khalid Moosa on Jun 01, 2008 10:58 AM Permalink
MAM PLS DO NOT FEEL UPSET WE CAN DEFINITELY DISCUSS THERE IS NO PROBLEM GO AHEAD
RE:RE:Write NARUQ - Opposite of Quran
by amitabh_badchalan on Jun 01, 2008 11:01 AM Permalink
YES MUKHER JEE BOKA CH...DA APPLY THIS WILL BE BENEFICIAL FOR BOTH THE COMMUNITY
RE:Bush, Israelis, RSS/VHP are medicine that cures Jehadis
by Spiderman on Jun 01, 2008 10:58 AM Permalink
First go and give you life in Afghanisthan then you can pray your real GOD BUSH.
RE:Tathagata is a son of pig!!!
by Sarita Sharma on Jun 01, 2008 10:52 AM Permalink
Sanjay S , Thanks for showing the real face of foreign agent Tathagata to all of us
RE:Tathagata is a son of pig!!!
by Dhaval on Jun 01, 2008 10:55 AM Permalink
Tathagata Mukherjee making lot of money for inciting communal tension and hate......Agent of Badla Bhes
RE:Tathagata is a son of pig!!!
by amitabh_badchalan on Jun 01, 2008 10:52 AM Permalink
mukherjee's a bangla deshi......wants us to become like them or at least thier elder brother....you know whom am i talking about?
RE:friends i am back
by Khalid Moosa on Jun 01, 2008 10:52 AM Permalink
below one lady has quoted verses from HOLY QURAN now evryone pay attention every verse quoted has a context and a situation now remember this now visit these verses in the HOLY QURAN do not read them merely in isolation it can cause confusion and seek expert guidance on these verses do not ask a muslim fellow who cannot even spell his own name
RE:friends i am back
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 01, 2008 11:09 AM Permalink
Sanjay, jab tak Tathagat jaise hai tab tak hi tum jaise muslims ke sath Kabab kha rahe ho varna muslim tum jaiso ka Kabab bana denge theek waise hi Jaise they are doing with minorities in muslim dominated countries/states
RE:friends i am back
by amitabh_badchalan on Jun 01, 2008 10:50 AM Permalink
but khalid....here are some agents of knicer wallahs and isi who wont let this happen....you'll get tired of counting the abuses
RE:friends i am back
by shashi sharma on Jun 01, 2008 10:57 AM Permalink
Khalid Bhai .. Do appesements have approval in Islam.Have appeasements to Muslims really benifitted them or it was sheer vote bank politics.
RE:friends i am back
by amitabh_badchalan on Jun 01, 2008 11:03 AM Permalink
NO SHARMA..ISLAM PROFESSES ALL HUMAN TO BE EQUAL THER'S NO APPEASEMENT POLICY.....IN ISLAM APPEASEMENT IS MEANT FOR ALLAH ONLY BY ONE'S GOOD DEED TO HAVE HIS MERCY IN RETURN
RE:RE:friends i am back
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 01, 2008 11:12 AM Permalink
amitabh, if islam profess equality then why the witness of christian is half and hindu is 1/4 in weitage?
why different compensation or christian, hindu if they are killed by muslim. please reply categorically
I am Hindu who has read quran teachings and try to follow them.All along i have been wondering that whenever source of terror is pointed towards Bangladesh or Pakistan,why do our very brave psedoseculars maintain zero or low profile.These people have all allurements for Muslims and state of Muslims is for everyone to see.Why the need for Sacchar arose.Have Muslims progressed the same way as other communities or the appeasements made sure that they remain backward.At last Deoband has taken care that Muslims do not be victims of vote bank politics and have openly & very dtrongly condemmed terror unlike pseudoseculars who have nothing but Gothera all the time for BJP beating.ENTIRE MUSLIM COMMUNITY WAS UNNECESSARILY BEING SUSPECT OR AT LEAST DOUBTED FOR HAVING SYMPATHY FOR TERRORISTS WHICH WAS FAR FROM TRUTH.Just a line from Holi Quran can transform life of anyone & you are welcome to give it a trial.I feel like touching feet of everyone associated with Deoband for this most needed fatwa against terrorism and this will strenthen Ganga Jamani tehzeeb of India.
RE:Most welcome Fatwa by Deoband
by amitabh_badchalan on Jun 01, 2008 10:48 AM Permalink
MUKHERJEE... Why dont you look into the problems of your own country9BANGLADESH)....then spred hatred here.....
in reply to your post....a muslim moron can point out the plight of mulsims in kashmir,godhra,mumbai,malegaon etc.....
we cant bring back our past to rectify our mistakes...lets forget and forgive and start a new beginning....but people like you want to settle...the matter of their past 7 janams...it foolish of you...
RE:RE:Most welcome Fatwa by Deoband
by RB on Jun 01, 2008 10:47 AM Permalink
Tathagata Mukherjee, they have moved to jammu and other parts of India for thier safety they are not foolish like you who is working as foreign agent to incite division and hate in India.
RE:RE:RE:Most welcome Fatwa by Deoband
by Ballu on Jun 01, 2008 10:49 AM Permalink
You are not a hindu. You are a muslim using a fake identity. Grow up you terror minded fool.
RE:There is a pattern in the madness of Terrorists
by Spiderman on Jun 01, 2008 10:40 AM Permalink
First go and give your life in Afganisthan then only preach RSS ideology which is worse than terrorism.
RE:There is a pattern in the madness of Terrorists
by Pradip Parekh on Jun 01, 2008 11:03 AM Permalink
Alquida and other terror organisations are the result of hindu terror organisations like rss and vhp.
RE:There is a pattern in the madness of Terrorists
by Viswa Nath on Jun 01, 2008 10:51 AM Permalink
in india muslims resorted to terrorism due to the continious riots and violence against muslims by the hindu terrorists..a few fool muslims follow the same path of hindus...so understand each other and respect each other.. blind and ignorant opposition to each other will never take india to anywhere.....
RE:There is a pattern in the madness of Terrorists
by Bharat Vasi on Jun 01, 2008 11:00 AM Permalink
Muslims do not reasons to resort to terrorism. They have a 1600 years book which will give them many excuses to blow themselves
RE:There is a pattern in the madness of Terrorists
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 01, 2008 11:02 AM Permalink
Viswa Nath, but why muslims in UK are resorting to terrorism. There is no riots against them in UK.
The only logic is that if they are in power they supress minority and donot allow them to even protest. When in minority they resort to terrorism and blame majority for riots and sme fools in majority community accept this argument and then flee as hindo/sikhs fled from PAK in 1947
RE:There is a pattern in the madness of Terrorists
by sanjiv goyal on Jun 01, 2008 11:33 AM Permalink
Mr Viney,why are you arguing with these Jehadies.The so called Fatwa against Terrorisam is not against Jehad,but is against security forceswho kill or apprehend them & other bomb blast victims who venture to come to temlpes for praying.You should read the whole proceedings of these conferences.All speakers one by one blame hindus & security forces for sufferings of Muslims,they incite muslims to take up to streets.And you call it a new begining .
RE:There is a pattern in the madness of Terrorists
by Pradip Parekh on Jun 01, 2008 11:05 AM Permalink
Are you saying hindu terrorists are rising.Then what is the difference between alquiada and our RSs?
RE:What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?
by Vinay Gupta on Jun 01, 2008 10:46 AM Permalink
read--"..kill aperson having treaty with muslim .....". what agreat logic! In order to secure life one has to made a treaty with muslim! what so ever may the conditions! Great justice!
Now kill animals for food but by causing them less pain. Very merciful. and this Fatwa condemons terroism but not the violence. Violence against idol worshipper is religious duty of muslims.
RE:What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?
by amitabh_badchalan on Jun 01, 2008 10:57 AM Permalink
VINAY ITS SO SAD THAT YOU HAVE LEARNT THIS OUT OF CONTEXT VERSE OF QURAN IN KNICER WALLAH SCHOOL OF MORON MANAGEMENT!!!!
NO WHERE IN QURAN ITS SAYS TO KILL MUSLIMS HAVING TREATY WITH NON-MUSLIMS.......N REGARDING KILLING IN FOOD HABITS YOU ARE KILLING AN ORGANISM WHILE EATING BE IT ANIMAL OR PLANTS!!!!!
RE:What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?
by sanjiv goyal on Jun 01, 2008 11:37 AM Permalink
Oh shut up ! why not take your knowledge of peaseful islam to Kashmir,Pakistan & other parts of world.Hindus know mush about your Islam.Do you know there was 5 day violent bandh in Kashmir against visit of President of India .Your Islam allow it.