RE:Question
by Basheer on May 15, 2008 07:32 PM Permalink
It is a typical question usually all Sangh Parivar used to ask and that question is used to silence the Muslims, and haunts Muslims since independence.
Since the whole or majority Muslims did not leave itself shows that Pak was not a cause of Muslims.It was some "undersatnding" of the then leadership and Britain to divide the country.
ANd if you see, that country is not accepted or understood Islam as an ideology. That was just a mass hysteria created among North indian Muslims for some vested interests.
And FYI, an average Indian Muslims are more faithful to God than any Paki Muslim. Since they are more illiterate in Urdu and Arabic as well.It is from my direct experience.
Religion is just used as a mask to gain vested interests.
RE:Question
by on May 15, 2008 07:27 PM Permalink
Must be nice to sit in an air conditioned office/home and write these 2 cents that has no logics to it right?
Do you think everyone wanted to run, some people I know still (pakistanis) support Jaipur has the home team (20/20) since they were born there...
So wake up ans smell the coffee, it was not like poeple were being transported in AC coaches, its not that people know what would be their future, no one had shares/stock/bonds, no one had jobs as such....what would you expect people to do 60years back, pack up and leave?
Those who stayed back are true patriots...I am sure a lot of them stayed back considering the age, difficulty to travel and the uncertanity..but they stayed back,
Try not to show them up in the corner...its not muslims fault...but SAUDI does help create confusion here by paying people like you to start this problems across the world, so they can have 4wives and keep the women in control..
RE:Question
by ajgmdtmgajtpw on May 15, 2008 07:58 PM Permalink
Because india was not created in the name of hindu,because india still has bigots like u in a smaaal minority as it had then,because india is a large country with a large heart,because india hosts the largest number of muslims in the world,nearly 200 million,because india is a great nation.
This message is for rationally thinking human beings...
1. What is religion?
Its a source of comfort, its a faith, its something we look forward to straighten our lifes, this is something we follow to make living more comfortable, its something we believe bring happiness and bring fairness to the society.
Where are we know,
We are fighting over which one is better, who was here first and which god has more power, or which prophet's blood line is real and so on...Finally few people think everyone else bad, only their religion is good...
persons/families affected by this crime take it upon themselves thinking enough is enough and start targetting minority community with full force and vengence - there will NOT be minority community left in India. I hope our minority brethren understand this and not wake up the sleeping giant....otherwise we would read about minorities only in text books !!!
RE:Wonder what would happen IF....
by on May 15, 2008 07:13 PM Permalink
Are you threatening other communities?
Do you think thats the best practice, there are billions of people on this earth , couple of generations will go just through pain if you are out to do what you are planing to do...Either you are Soudi educated terrorist, or you are mentally retarted...
We are all equal, though we belive in different faiths...
RE:Wonder what would happen IF....
by Basheer on May 15, 2008 07:41 PM Permalink
I just quote waht you said. " hope our minority brethren understand this and not wake up the sleeping giant....otherwise we would read about minorities only in text books !!!"
Exactly Paddi. Fortunately majority of Hindus are not like you!
And one more thing if the context takes to world,whenever there is an attack against Christians in Rajastan or Gujarat, any Christian brother can threaten this way?
One thing strikes me as funny,hindu named people are blaming muslims,muslim named people are defending their religion,muslim intellectuals are being abused,narendra modi being demonised,bajrang dal conspiracy being floated,bangla terrorists suspected,even jews, christians,jains are being discussed on this forum. Everybody is being blamed for the jaipur carnage,except for the people who are being paid to protect us and who fail in their job miserably everytime but always get away with it???????? How come nobody blames the intelligence,the lazy jaipur police force who are being paid by our tax money. How come the bangla,nepali and paki home ministers are being pressurised,but the real culprit our own home minister is safe because he has blamed foreigners. Does that mean that just because a bangla terrorist is suspected so we can really do nothing and only blame others impotently. All of us on this forum need to be ashamed that instead of making sure that such incidents r not repeated,by voting out any govt. Which allows terrorist attacks to occur,we are having a petty hindu muslim war,by people who are neither 'hindus' nor 'muslims'
RE:Implement ID card for everybody...
by sabilillah on May 15, 2008 06:46 PM Permalink
You know what investment you are talking about when govt still struggling to provide roti, kapda aur makaan
There is a generic trend once a Muslim name is involved, all Muslims are responsible.If that is the case, even for any nexalite attack the whole Hindu community should be blamed(usually Hindu names are involved.).Because some media and fanatics are looking for a reason to bash that community.
And what is this Huji? After every attack some names will come out. After a week there won't be anything. Bring all criminals out and hang publically. No Muslims are against it.
Another feeling is India is belonging to Hindus and they can tell anything.Fortunately 99 percent do not believe that. But the remeaining one percent fanatics does not have any control.
Imagine if some Muslims talk the way Raj thakkeray talk. What will happen here.
I appeal all good Muslims, Hindus and other religious communities to restarain and support the blast victims.
RE:Do not be a fanatic
by GODAVARTI RAmesh on May 15, 2008 06:48 PM Permalink
While it is absurd to blame entire community due to the misdeeds of a few , it is also true that moderate muslims remain passive and do not seem to feel the need to check the nefarious designs of the few black sheep among the community.
RE:Do not be a fanatic
by Indra borana on May 15, 2008 07:00 PM Permalink
SOME LEADERSHIP FROM WITHIN THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY HAS TO COME AND PROVE THAT TERRORISM IS UNISLAMIC FROM WITHIN THE LITERATURE OF ISLAM BY RE INTERPRETING THEIR HOLY BOOKS
THEN ONLY THE RVIL OF TERRORISM WILL STOP HAUNTING INNOCENT MUSLIMS & WHOLE WORLD
RE:RE:Do not be a fanatic
by Basheer on May 15, 2008 07:07 PM Permalink
Indira,
Where is the leadership? Who represents Muslims? That is the truth.
Muslims did not organize as Muslims after independence. They were always in mainstream and mostly congress uitilized it and they betrayed the community.
And FYI, Dayoobandh condemned all such terrorist acts some one or two months ago.
RE:Do not be a fanatic
by Basheer on May 15, 2008 07:03 PM Permalink
Ramesh,
I usually read almost all article in rediff. Most of the time fanatics are ruling the board. I feel rthere are no use of conversating them and that is the level of abuse they put against the community. No one is there here to convince or defend or argue. Because educataed Muslims are only a few.
I am working in a reputed IT comapny where the presence of Muslims will be less than 2 or 3 percentage.
I always believe fanatics are also there among Muslims also. And I believe good hindus are always having sympathy with Muslims.
RE:Do not be a fanatic
by Nandakumar Chandran on May 15, 2008 06:38 PM Permalink
i agree to what you say. but note that naxalites do not kill in the name of hinduism - they kill in the name of mao. likewise islamic militants kill in the name of islam. so if islam does not permit such acts, is it not the responsibility of muslims to educate those of their religion who interpret it otherwise? what has been the effort of mainstream muslims towards this?
RE:Do not be a fanatic
by Basheer on May 15, 2008 06:42 PM Permalink
Brother I agree to the fact that Muslims should educate their community bout this evil.
This is a community with most illiteracy and all backwardness.Many of this community does not even know a blast happened at Jaipur!
Some organizations use them for some criminal purposes.
RE:RE:Do not be a fanatic
by Nandakumar Chandran on May 15, 2008 06:49 PM Permalink
and ultimately it is the mainstream muslims who will really pay for such acts. because the terrorist doesn't care if he lives or dies. but the mainstream muslim wants his family to live well and it is their welfare that is threatened by such attacks.
RE:Do not be a fanatic
by Nandakumar Chandran on May 15, 2008 06:47 PM Permalink
basheer, it is primarily because mainstream muslims did not take the effort, that the whole community is being blamed today for such acts - all over the world. i know it is not an easy task - but only you guys can do it. others cannot.
RE:Do not be a fanatic
by sam on May 15, 2008 06:46 PM Permalink
Dear Basheer Dont say no muslim is against hanging terrorist. Again my statement doesnt mean all are. There is considerable population of muslims which will feel threatened if Afzal is hanged, even leaders like Farooq Abdulla will cry if Afzal is hanged, so dont say that no muslims are against hanging terrorists.
RE:Do not be a fanatic
by on May 15, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
Basheer,
This is not going to be easy until the poverty goes away and literacy increases...People have used this religion to control the public from the begining of time, initially the powerful one in the pride (look at the animals) controlled the followers, then the followers increased we started creating this religion, nothing else happened....
Have you see anything else worshipping an unknown existance of a super power, only we human race do, because we are intelligent and we wanted to blame someone else...
It might be true that there's no organization by this name but what about the ideology and thought process of Jehadis??
99% Indian Muslims have sympathies with these terrorists. That's why all the Muslim politicians and so called intellectuals(Are they really??) like Shabana Azmi, Javed Akhtar etc are silent.
Their silence to such heinous acts show their support.
RE:Fact / Fiction
by Basheer on May 15, 2008 06:33 PM Permalink
Why all Muslims as a community should come and condemn for every attack for some criminals are involved and allegedly name is Muslim.
Do you know who has done that? What is his name? Just tell some name and you people are putting the whole blame on Muslims.
Bring them infront and hang.No muslims are against it.
RE:Fact / Fiction
by Nandakumar Chandran on May 15, 2008 06:42 PM Permalink
it is common knowledge that hatred against kafir is taught in mosques and this is the number one reason for islamic fanaticism. why don't mainstream muslims protest against this and stop such preaching of hatred against hindus, jews etc?
RE:RE:Fact / Fiction
by Basheer on May 15, 2008 06:52 PM Permalink
I go to Mosques almost every day and Friday compulsorily.I am ready to take you wherever I go.
Some Mullahs do so by exploiting the unawareness and illiteracy of people.They need to be punished, I agree. But what about RSS. They always use temple premises and teach hatred. This is some of my RSS friends said because they are so close to me.
And I am not interested to believe in a religion if it is sectarian because Holybooks are provided to human beings and not to religions!
RE:Fact / Fiction
by sam on May 15, 2008 06:45 PM Permalink
Dont say no muslim is against hanging terrorist. Again my statement doesnt mean all are. There is considerable population of muslims which will feel threatened if Afzal is hanged, even leaders like Farooq Abdulla will cry if Afzal is hanged, so dont say that no muslims are against hanging terrorists.
RE:Fact / Fiction
by ajgmdtmgajtpw on May 15, 2008 06:46 PM Permalink
Mr.Dias i respect ur opinion,but i have a question,who gave u the statistic that 99 pc muslims have sympathy with terrorists. This is purely an irresponsible statement. There are 20 crore muslims in india,more than the population of 130 countries of the world, if 99 pc supported terrorism,we would have an earhquake. C mon man,hate begets hate and blind hate begets embarasment.
Wonder now PM would have sleepless nights ..he has incase of haneef.....!!!!!!!!!!! There is something in him that empowers everybody... comman man , politicans ,terrorists.
Why are we abusing islam, just bcoz of few sick muslims. I am a hindu and my best friend is a muslim. When we win a cricket match who wins? irfan pathan's islam or bhajji's sikhkism or sachin's hinduism.... its india wins my friends. My request to all muslim brothers pls dont support these sick ppl, without local support they cant do anything. Be like APJ Abul Kalaam, Ajim Prem Ji, Sharukh Khan, Sania Mirja, Irfan Pathan....so on, Jai Hind, Jai Hindu, Jai Musalman, Hell to these jehadis...
RE:Please dont abuse religion
by Sandeep Dias on May 15, 2008 06:27 PM Permalink
Sachin Gupta your thoughts are good. But why not a single Mulsim you have named have yet condemned terrorist acts in the past or now. APJ Kalam did because he's a past president and needs to do so.
SRK, Salman, AAmir or innumerable other so called friends are dumb like a dodo. Hope you can bring some of them out in the open to see their true colour.
RE:Please dont abuse religion
by Basheer on May 15, 2008 06:38 PM Permalink
Sandeep,
Which Hindu organization condemned attack as a rep of Hindu community.Forget BJP and they are working for political gains. So can we reach a conclusion the whole Hindus are supporting terrorism.
And how you concluded Muslim named criminals done this.
RE:Please dont abuse religion
by s s s on May 15, 2008 06:43 PM Permalink
Does just Condemning an act do the trick? I dont think so....
I see such big talks here .. i BET none of u can do anything CONCRETE about it but just CRITICIZE. coz CRITICIZM is the easiest thing to do .. thats the truth
RE:Please dont abuse religion
by AK Kumar on May 15, 2008 07:03 PM Permalink
This is a most childish response and such cries of Jai Hindu, Jai mussalman, etc do not work. Its most Utopian and stupid.
Ask the muslim nations like Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkey, Kuwait, Afghanistan, etc., to say this...Jai Mussalman, Jai Christians, Jai Buddhists, Jai Mussalman...if they can say it even once in public, I will change my views about muslims totally.
Muslims mostly speak with a forked tongue...one is the fun loving, kabab eating, whiskey drinking modern mussalman and the other is the bearded rascal (the daari wala types)...Actually both support each other tacitly and they lend support to each other always.
RE:Please dont abuse religion
by on May 15, 2008 07:33 PM Permalink
Most muslims nations you mentioned here are controleld by people who does not think the way we think....Bangladesh is too poor to go afteryourself for anything, so be my guest...
Indonasia, still have too many hanuman temples...have you seen their cultures/festivals? they still have ramayan and stuff there...and they live in harmony...
Saudi, I agree with you, the king need to control, this is like in early England kings, and the church....they wanted to control nomadic people, one option is to throw them 4wives, but with a catch...
Iran is most progressed in muslim world, have you ever met an iranian? other than irani chai?
Get your facts straight...There are problems everywhere, and if you look for them you find them...
RE:RE:Please dont abuse religion
by Sam Nath on May 16, 2008 12:17 AM Permalink
Yes On, I have noticed you bark a lot in favor of the terrorists but playing it in a civilized way. But we know all these things. Yes, talking about Iranian, go read the book "Understanding Muhammed" by the great Ali Sina, a proud Iranian. Do not try to fool us. "Indonasia, still have too many hanuman temples", the word still says it all. You could not hide the word still, huh? Good going pal.
RE:Please dont abuse religion
by ajgmdtmgajtpw on May 15, 2008 06:23 PM Permalink
I agree with Mr.sachin completely, also how come our govt. Always fails and we blame others but catch anyone. However muslims should come out openly against terrorism and also illiterate mullaha should be marginalised.
RE:Please dont abuse religion
by Kajal Sethi on May 15, 2008 06:30 PM Permalink
Well said. There are those Muslims who are more patriotic than me. Call the perpitrators terrorist but do not blame the whole community. Yes there may be Muslim sympathisers for terrorists but they are only few in number. This India is India because of contributions of all.
RE:Please dont abuse religion
by sam on May 15, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
Miss Kajal you are dumb about the history of Islamic conquest thats why you say this. Hindu is the only religion which could hold its country or else where ever islamist went they totally engulfed the whole population. Now why Hindus could survive? Go read history to know that. Before bragging about communal harmony read the history 20 million hindus have been masacred by Islamic conquest, 2000 temples have been destroyed. You will say thats past, yes it is. Lets talk about current where ever Muslims are even 25% of the population they make life hell for non muslims. Look at Kashmir, Kashmiri Pundits were rich and prosperous what they did to them in last 20 yrs. 2 Lakh brahmins displaced minimum 20000 plus killed in last 20 yrs. Know the facts before bragging about communal harmony and speaking the language of psuedosecularists.
RE:Please dont abuse religion
by Kajal Sethi on May 15, 2008 07:44 PM Permalink
One must remember that it is people like Dr. Kalam who developed missile technolgy to protect us against a neighbour whose political parties only survive on basis of supporting so called 'Kushmir independance'. Asim Premji holds his head high as an Indian.
RE:Please dont abuse religion
by Sam Nath on May 16, 2008 12:10 AM Permalink
Talking about Dr. Kalam. He is a vegeterian, unmarried and recites verse from Gita. These are taboo for a muskim. He has born in a Muslim family but did not have any faith on this religion like the poet Rumni they brag about.
RE:Please dont abuse religion
by anupkumar patil on May 15, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
good kajal, well said, we can't blame whole community because of some idiots
