RE:A big joke
by Rama on May 14, 2008 09:45 PM Permalink
Ali.. I always beleive that the religion is not corrupt, only the people incharge (they think they are the authority) are corrupt. But these are common even in the moderate muslims. 1. give priority to the religion before the nation they live in 2. flat out non-beleif of other Faiths period. As long as the above 2 are in then the person can easily be led into acts of terrorism.
RE:A big joke
by antonio on May 14, 2008 09:30 PM Permalink
It is interesting to note that the blasts also coincided with the spurt in cross border terrorism along the LoC in Kashmir and the political turmoil in Islamabad over Nawaz Sharif%u2019s brinkmanship on the future of Pervez Musharraf.
As the debate rages on the nature of response to the serial blasts on this blog and Nitin%u2019s, Offstumped takes a hard look at the reactions in the media and political circles to reiterate how India must wage the War on Terror.
First the reactions in the media and political circles
It was puzzling that none of the major english language newspapers carried any editorials in reaction to the serial blasts. The reaction in the political circles is interesting. Until yesterday the Congress did not lose an opportunity to rake up Kandahar to deflect debate on its pathetic anti-terrorism record. It is interesting that since the blasts, the word Kandahar has not crossed the lips of any of the Congress loudmouths. It is also interesting that even before any investigations and conclusive evidence presented, Shivraj Patil%u2019s surrogate Jaiswal started to allude to that foreign hand. This press conference by Jaiswal epitomizes the flippancy and casual attitude with which the UPA dispensation has been responding to Terror. The Leader of the Opposition and the NDA%u2019s Prime Minister in waiting L.K. Advani hit it on the nail in his reaction that there is no fear of consequences or accountability under the UPA regime.
While some have argued for a revolution and wiping out the enemy on the one hand others have argued for addressing all outstanding issues and peace talks.
In response to the 7-11 Mumbai Blasts Offstumped over a series of posts had articulated an approach for taking the war to the enemy as Nitin puts it.
So how do we take the War to the Enemy ?
First the moral compass.
All the anger and frustration is completely understandable but there cannot be any room for morally unconscionable actions. Dharma has to be the guiding force for how the Indian State conducts its War on Terror. Offstumped had articulated the moral doctrine for how the Indian State must discharge its Dharma by drawing heavily from Gandhi%u2019s interpretation of the Bhagvad Gita.
as the Indian State debates its response to terror, it must be purely guided by its primary duty to its citizens and not by any other moral considerations. The State must not take recourse to inaction under the cover of the resilience of its people. More specifically the State when in posession of legitimate intelligence on intentions of terrorist to hurt and kill its citizens must act proactively to pre-empt, such pre-emption is morally consciable for the alternative is willing inaction which is immoral. The state must not rule out going to war against terrorism in fulfilling its duty as long as it does so fully mindful of its consequences and has demonstrated the capacity to accept those consequences with equanimity
RE:A big joke
by Pulsar on May 14, 2008 09:32 PM Permalink
Yes Ali, we all know that bacteria and virus have a tendency to spread very quickly. Islam's idea of rights to women is stoning them to death. Ha haa...
RE:A big joke
by Ali on May 14, 2008 09:35 PM Permalink
Islam gave rights to women 1400 years ago, rights to vote was given to American women less than 60 years ago. Lets talk about the facts dont let hate blindside you. Islam stopped the kiilings of unborn girls, this is still practised in India even today
RE:RE:A big joke
by Rama on May 14, 2008 10:03 PM Permalink
Ali, I totally agree that every religion has their darker side. But get the big picture where Christianity, Hinduism are heading towards. They have reformed a lot and see where they are now (don't pick 1 or 2 exceptions here and there). See where Islam is headed to.. if they had freedom 1400 years back they are getting canned on the street at the free will of Talibans today. Is Islam hijacked? may be true. Hindus fight amongst themselves and kill 100 or 120 (not arguing that this is acceptable..) but look at the scale of destruction Muslims are causing amongst themselves and to the others outside of islam. It cannot be compared. I am a Hindu, I can tell I beleive in Mohammed and Islam and Jesus and Christianity from the bottom of my heart and that is tolerance. Can you say that you beleive Hinduism & Jesus also along with Islam?
RE:A big joke
by Indigo on May 14, 2008 09:36 PM Permalink
Islam has caused more death and destruction than any deaseas or natural calamity. This is why Islam is the biggest deaseas on the earth.
RE:A big joke
by Ali on May 14, 2008 09:40 PM Permalink
Please don't forget how many harijans were killed by the upper caste people and dont forget the crusades.
RE:A big joke
by Indigo on May 14, 2008 09:44 PM Permalink
Follow the daily news, in Islam everyday Sunnis & Shias are killing each other in Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan.
These types of violence is never found in any religion.
RE:A big joke
by Sameer on May 14, 2008 10:00 PM Permalink
My friends it is because, muslims are never allowed to live alone on their own, by powers that are great (US-EU). 1. Why Russia invaded afghanistan. 2. Why did US raised Talibans to defeat Russians in Afghanistan? 3. Now why is US pulling down Talibans it raised? 4. The joke is in none of these campaign, the leaders of Talibans (ex-ministers) are arrested till date but the whole of Saddam's cabinet is behind bars, why? 5. Why Palestine is not a country on the face of the earth? 6. How many resolutions in UN were Vetoed by US in favour of Israel? 90% vetoes to be precise. 7. Oil is the biggest attraction for west to create trouble in middle east? 8. Who is a liar in Iraq war? Bush or Saddam. Saddam said there are no weapons and Bush said, there are? Do you see a sinister design in creating chaos in muslim countries? 9. Now Iran is being made into a new case?
When will this stop?
The more muslim countries are subjected to war, hatred the more problem for all of us.
RE:A big joke
by Kutta on May 14, 2008 09:25 PM Permalink
YOUR MISCONCEPTIONS ARE LISTED BELOW Mr Pulsar
1. All whites are Angrez (Britisher).. 2. All white girls are easy lay. 3. All English movies are rated R or Adult. 4. Liquor is easily available OR cheaper than water. 5. All muslims are terrorists. 6. All Chinese are snake eaters. 7. All Japanese eat chow chow.
RE:A big joke
by gnana ayyer on May 14, 2008 09:35 PM Permalink
All Muslims are not terrorists. I do agree. But most of the terrorists are Muslims. Why. Did you ever think. Did any Muslim organisation opposed this like what they did in the case of Ayodhya?. Actually more than Ayodhya this Muslim - Terrorist link is the most shameful one for any true muslim.
It is indeed very unfortunate that militants have chosen a soft target to perpetuate a very heinous act. It was also unfortunate on the part of media and police to name certain terrorist organizations without proper investigation.
Yes; it could have been a Muslim terrorist organization, but without proper investigation and proof accusing them will unnecessarily create discontent among Hindus and Muslims.
Let the investigating agencies do a sincere job, book the culprits and punish them, which certainly will be acceptable to all sections of the society.
RE:they are simple ideots
by Ali on May 14, 2008 09:23 PM Permalink
you are a racist bigot with full of bias and hatred, who can never understand the true Abrahmic faiths.
RE:they are simple ideots
by Pulsar on May 14, 2008 09:26 PM Permalink
Ironically these "True" Abrahamic faiths Judaism, Christianity and Islam have been also fighting with each other for a greater part of the past thousand years. That is sufficient to show the real violent nature of these "true" faiths.
The real bias is present in Islamic apologists like you.
RE:they are simple ideots
by Kutta on May 14, 2008 09:22 PM Permalink
Indians would top the list as most ignorant breed..
1. All whites are Angrez (Britisher).. 2. All white girls are easy lay. 3. All English movies are rated R or Adult. 4. Liquor is easily available OR cheaper than water. 5. All muslims are terrorists. 6. All Chinese are snake eaters. 7. All Japanese eat chow chow.
RE:they are simple ideots
by gnana krishnaswamy ayyer on May 14, 2008 09:30 PM Permalink
All Muslims are not terrorists. I do agree. But most of the terrorists are Muslims. Why. Did you ever think. Did any Muslim organisation opposed this like what they did in the case of Ayodhya?. Actually more than Ayodhya this Muslim - Terrorist link is the most shameful one for any true muslim.
RE:RE:they are simple ideots
by Ali on May 14, 2008 09:25 PM Permalink
Everything you wrote here applies to what the Hindu fanatics did to Muslims during Gujarat riots
RE:they are simple ideots
by Indigo on May 14, 2008 09:27 PM Permalink
Pray God, for killing more Hindus. It will increase the muslim percentage in India and ultimately, India will be declared Islamic country.
RE:Reconversion is the only solution!
by Indigo on May 14, 2008 09:18 PM Permalink
Pray God, for killing more Hindus. It will increase the muslim percentage in India and ultimately, India will be declared Islamic country.
RE:Reconversion is the only solution!
by Ali on May 14, 2008 09:20 PM Permalink
Good luck! Start doing all the things you mentioned and India will go to stone ages. One of the strengths of the great country is being secular and democratic, as a young nation we do have some issues to work on and we will work it. One of the things all the sane minded indivduals should be careful about is the growth of Hindu fanatics.
RE:RE:RE:Islam gives me nausea
by Mahmood Hasan on May 14, 2008 09:34 PM Permalink
tradition of drinking urine is originated from u dirty hindus u drink urine of animal (cow) as assuming it as mother
RE:Islam gives me nausea
by Mahmood Hasan on May 14, 2008 09:30 PM Permalink
islam is the only religion which preaches peace & harmony, need to understand.
RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by SHUQ on May 14, 2008 09:20 PM Permalink
This is the true agenda of RSS who placed the bomb to divide the country again on hindutva lines. But all the other true Indians are not ready to part with India either.
RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by Prem Mohan on May 14, 2008 09:25 PM Permalink
Sometimes, I think these BJP/RSS types are responsible for all the bomb attacks. These wicked people are quite capable of it. All of us should support the Congress Party.
RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by Indigo on May 14, 2008 09:29 PM Permalink
Yes, Modi, RSS, BJP are behind the attack on Parliament, 9/11 attack on WTC, attack on Kargil, behind bomb blast in Mumbai etc.
Osama, Dawood, Masood Azhar and you muslims are 110% innocent.
RE:RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by sonali on May 14, 2008 09:25 PM Permalink
RSS is still better! RSS don't give training to making bombs. They don't kill innocent people. Why Islam is another name of terrorism all around the world. You will never learn this. Because all you deserve hate.
RE:RE:RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by Mahmood Hasan on May 14, 2008 09:44 PM Permalink
u need to look vice- versa all faces transform into ur dearest sanghis the bloody murderer
RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by narindra oli on May 14, 2008 09:40 PM Permalink
Sonaliji If modi will P.M of India He will kick there assss
RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by Umesh Kumar Verma on May 14, 2008 09:30 PM Permalink
It can be done if we go to the original heavenly place HIMALAYAS (the seat of lord shiva) and establish the soverign SANATAN DHARMA. !!!! It cannot be established as long as you and me are entagled in the earthly MAYA.
RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by Ali on May 14, 2008 09:07 PM Permalink
Here you go.. the true agenda is out now. People like you use this opportunity to spread hate and fear mongering. India is a secular democratic state and will contine to be that.
RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by Prem Mohan on May 14, 2008 09:08 PM Permalink
For that, the only way is to support the Congress Party under the leadership of Mdm Sonia Gandhi and Mr Rahul Gandhi. Reject the BJP/RSS!
RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by sonali on May 14, 2008 09:14 PM Permalink
You are right! Congress will give reservation and 1st right on resources to muslims, So in the day time they will work and night time they will explode bombs. Since they have 1st right on resources they have every right to kill you and your properties. If congress will be in power soon you will have engineering degree in explosive and bombs technology. I think you got Mr. Prem Mohamad.
RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by Mahmood Hasan on May 14, 2008 09:40 PM Permalink
sonali, u baby darling ur totally bent to vertical position u need mental relaxation, come & have inter-course with muslim brat, then u really understand the true colour of islam
RE:RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by Prem Mohan on May 14, 2008 09:18 PM Permalink
You should have faith in the leadership of Mdm Sonia Gandhi and Mr Rahul Gandhi.
RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by sonali on May 14, 2008 09:22 PM Permalink
yes Mr. Prem Mohamad, Your bood probably spoiled by Neharu family and arjun singh. You have no choice as you have genetic problem to being a slave.
RE:A country for HINDUS is the only solution.
by greatbush on May 14, 2008 09:16 PM Permalink
India is secular because most of Hindus have to defend India,pay huge tax,Support fellow muslims.But why?
In return what Hindus get,getting killed in stock market on friday afternoon,getting killed in line to temple.
Hindus can't practise their religion without fear in India.Hindus cannot do business in India without getting killed by muslims.
we don't have to put up with this.
Give us any place and we will build a great nation out it.
If India can give two countries to Muslims,but why not a country for Hindus.
Finance Minister P Chidambaram today said the serial blasts in Jaipur would not affect India's business climate and the country was expecting over 8 per cent growth this fiscal despite high inflation. "Inflation may remain high for sometime. We are still confident of clocking over 8 per cent growth this fiscal," he said in an interview to CNBC-TV 18.
Israle cant run its buses freely,cant give Visa to people of some hundred countries,and 100 countries dont give them VISA in return.Israel is surviving because America is the conduit for its operation,If a jew has to participate in any international event,he comes as an American not as a jew from israel. India cant afford this parioh status.More than that,Israle manages to use indiscriminate force and get away with it because it is being attacked from GAZA which is outside of Israel. In India it is inside job and if you indulge in such blatant human rights violation you will end up creating 20 crore terrorists and that will be end of India as a country. The open bragging of killing muslims and then electing them with overwhemlning majority and the finally expressing selective outrage is the root cause of this problem.
RE:is Israel winning the war against Terror?
by Indigo on May 14, 2008 09:25 PM Permalink
For kind information, This "Sameer Bhagwat" is a muslim. His statement proves, Indian muslims love Arab more than India. That is why, Islam is a threat to India.
