RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by srikrishna vempaty on Apr 01, 2008 02:43 AM Permalink
Animals evolved over a long time millions of years. What is this bull shit of adam and eve and other animals created in aday. It is disproved everyday when ever a fossil of extinct species is found it is proved that. I dont know why still believe in that
RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by Frelancer on Mar 31, 2008 07:28 PM Permalink
Taking a few passages from the Quran out of proper historical and textual context will not give a proper understanding of the religious scripture which i told you earlier also,,,,,,,,, Today unbelivers are reading only quran translation without knowing the meaning in Arabic, many translation on the internet are published by jews and cristians with so many alteration,,,,,
RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by Sam Nath on Apr 01, 2008 02:26 AM Permalink
So, Mr. Frelancer: Sounds like you are a scholar in Arabic. Try to give these kind of bs to your Arab masters. Bin Laden read the version of these Xtian and Jews. You guys are in a sorry state
RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 07:39 PM Permalink
Yes, I have read 2 versions of the same (English translations)
RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by Frelancer on Mar 31, 2008 07:39 PM Permalink
JGN Thats you have been telling for the long long time,,,,,,, If you really read and understood then i bet you never question the authenticity and truth,,,,,
RE:RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 07:48 PM Permalink
Dear freelancer, first of all there is no conclusive evidence for the existence of any god. In any case, I do not beleive in any god (whether of hindus, muslims or christians or of any other religion). So making me beleive that The Quran is a divine revealation is a futile exercise! Be happy with your belief. I have no quarrels.
RE:RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 07:38 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Today unbelivers are reading only quran translation without knowing the meaning in Arabic.............what is the percentage of Indian Muslims who can read and understand the meaning of the Arabic Quran? I am hailing a place where we have nearly 20% muslims. I don't think even one percent of them can understand Arabic.
Btw why the all powerful and most merciful creator could not have revealed his message in a language the whole mankind could understand?
RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by Frelancer on Mar 31, 2008 07:42 PM Permalink
In every part there are scholars available to make them understand if they are not aware of arabic language,,,,, Thats not an issue for muslim where ever they reside,,,, There are about one miliion muslims memorized the Quran from the whole world and they memorized the same Quran.... I bet you if you take one memorized muslims from China and another from Uganda and ask them read together you may find they the same words.
RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 07:44 PM Permalink
What is so great about that? Even the mathematical table (2 x 2 4) remains the same the world over!!!!!!!! What are you trying to prove????
RE:RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 07:45 PM Permalink
What is so great about that when every one is reading the same book?
RE:RE:RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by Frelancer on Mar 31, 2008 07:48 PM Permalink
I mean to say that whoever a true believer reads quran from any part of the world he find same without changing a single world,,,,,,, But you guys always pick incomplete verses and get bias,,,,,,,, Logically speaking, the Quran being the final message of Allah is going to be unchangeable till the Day of Judgment. For this job to be fulfilled, it has to remain the same because if, God forbids, any change occurs, there will be no point behind its being the final message of Allah.
Therefore, Almighty Allah Who knows the hearts and the nature of human beings has taken the responsibility of guarding and protecting the Qur'an from any change, so that it keeps on fulfilling its job and guiding all human beings till the Last Day. This leaves no doubt that the Qur'an we have today is the exact one that was recited fifteen hundred years ago when the Prophet was alive.
RE:RE:RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 07:56 PM Permalink
Cont'd: Believers! If ye help God, God will help you, and will set your feet firm
But as for the infidels, let them perish and their works shall God bring to naught
This-because they were averse from the command which God sent down; Fruitless, therefore, shall their works become!
Have they not journeyed through the land, and seen what hath been the end of those who flourished before them? God brought destruction on them and the like of this doth await the infidels.
This-because God is the protector of those who believe, and because the infidels have no protector.
Verily God will bring those who believe, and o the things that are right, into the Gardens, beneath whose shades the river flow but they who believe not, take their fill and eat as beasts eat! And their dwelling place the fire:
And how many cities were mightier in strength than thy City, which hath thrust three forth. We destroyed them and there was none to help them
Shall he who followeth the clear teachings of his Lord be as he, the evil of whose doings hath been made to seem good to him, or like those who follow their own lu-sts?
RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by sah on Mar 31, 2008 07:48 PM Permalink
Bhai dho yaron ko Nippalon ko aur these days iam busy yaar join later ok
RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by Frelancer on Mar 31, 2008 07:58 PM Permalink
Its surely picked up from either RSS books or jews sites,,,,
RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 07:55 PM Permalink
The following portion is from the original translation (not from the website):
SURA XLVII (Mohammed XCVI) In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
WHOSO believe not, and prevent others from the way of God - their works will He cause to miscarry;
But whoso believe, and do things that are right, and believe in what hath been sent down to MUHAMMAD - for it is the truth from their Lord - their sins will He cancel, and dispose their hearts aright.
This-because the infidels followed vanity, while those who believe, followed the truth from their Lord. Thus to men doth God set forth their likenesses.
When ye encounter the infidels, strike off their heads till ye have made a great slaughter among them, and of the rest make fast the fetters.
And afterwards let there either be free dismissals or ransomings, till the war hath laid down its burdens. Thus do. Were such the pleasure of God, he could himself take vengeance upon them but He would rather prove the one of you by the other. And whoso fight for the cause of God, their works he will not suffer to miscarry
He will vouchsafe them guidance and dispose their hearts aright
He will bring them into the Paradise, of which he hath told them
RE:RE:RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 08:00 PM Permalink
You people are always in denial mode!!!!
RE:@ Frelancer pl give logical explanations for the following verses
by srikrishna vempaty on Apr 01, 2008 02:40 AM Permalink
If jinn is independent of allah what does allah have in power God is the supreme truth He is the creator, distroyer,controller. nothing is beyond his control. No jinns or dogs He is omnipresent and omnipotent.
RE:@ Frelancer- report for abuse if you have no answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Frelancer on Mar 31, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
I was away for a while,,,,, Quran is that it is not a book of history, a book of science or a book of law - though it has all these in it. It is first and foremost a book of divine guidance. Also, you need to know that the Quran does not contain detailed explanations of the situations that prompted the revelations of its verses.
RE:@ Frelancer- report for abuse if you have no answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 07:06 PM Permalink
Why can't you give a straight answer? Pl quote the Sura you are referring to you. We are not interested in your "beating about the bush"
RE:@ Frelancer- report for abuse if you have no answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Frelancer on Mar 31, 2008 07:31 PM Permalink
JGN I am not a scholar being an ordinary muslim i didnt remember the exact quote but i will difinitely let you know where its written
RE:RE:@ Frelancer- report for abuse if you have no answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 07:35 PM Permalink
Freelancer, I have read 2 versions (English translations) of the Quran. So far as I know, there is no such Srua.
RE:@ Frelancer- report for abuse if you have no answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by srikrishna vempaty on Apr 01, 2008 02:47 AM Permalink
Quran has number of mistakes like any other book. It is mainly written on those circumstances exiting n the barbarian world of arabs. like women is created for man to give relaxation from his work stress. Its just an object of recreation Sperms come from back bone. It is just like any other book written only to get arabian people under control and to unify these fighting tribals
RE:@ Frelancer- report for abuse if you have no answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by raj on Mar 31, 2008 07:03 PM Permalink
wait JGN he searching web, so he will come out sme busive language thats wht they r doing all over the world
RE:@ Frelancer- report for abuse if you have no answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Frelancer on Mar 31, 2008 07:07 PM Permalink
raj we muslims always gives logical explanations from the quran why hindus ever ever gives explanation from thier books, that means they know that their books are wrong
RE:@ Frelancer- report for abuse if you have no answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by raj on Mar 31, 2008 07:11 PM Permalink
u mean depending jehadi activities, yes hinduism is not a cult its a practice we have the freedom of interpritation u try doing that u will be killed thats islam accept the fact that it has lot of flaws
RE:@ Frelancer- report for abuse if you have no answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Frelancer on Mar 31, 2008 07:29 PM Permalink
Raj,,,,,,,, If there are flaws in Islam then what is making non believers to attract towards this great religion approximately millions every year,,,,,,, You ask yourself before accusing ISLAM and Muslims,,,, Why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world WHY,,,,,??????????
RE:@ Frelancer- report for abuse if you have no answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Frelancer on Mar 31, 2008 07:54 PM Permalink
JGN Todays report Muslims have outnumbered Catholics But they are excusing of higher percentage of birth but everybody knows that They are being attracted because of true path,,,,,,,
RE:@ Frelancer- report for abuse if you have no answer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 07:40 PM Permalink
Because of religious sanction on adopting family planning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wE should have been ruled by Communists for the first 10 years, when they would have brutally wiped out all fanatics whether muslim,Christian or Hindu. After 10 years, after they have established a well constructed base of educated, authority fearing people, we kick the communists out and become economically strong.
Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. (See 2:65-66) 4:47
Homosexual acts are condemned as unnatural. (Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?) 7:80-81
Humans created from a single man. 7:189
Joseph saw in a dream eleven planets. Does this mean that according to the Quran there are eleven planets in our solar system? 12:4
The sun rises and sets at particular places on a flat earth. At the westernmost point on earth, the sun sets in a muddy spring. 18:86, 90
The Pharaoh threatens to crucify Hebrews on palm tress. (But crucifixion was a Roman form of punishment that was unknown at the time.) 20:71
The earth is fixed and does not move. 27:61
"The sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him." 36:38
"We decked the nether heaven with lamps." Allah put "lamps" in the lower heaven to serve as lights. These are the stars that we see in the sky at night. 41:12
"Who hath created seven heavens ... Canst thou see any rifts?" (Allah asks Muhammed to examine the sky to see if it has any cracks). 67:3
Allah made the stars as missiles to throw at devils. 67:5
At the end of the world the earth with the mountains will be lifted up and crushed with one crash. 69:14
"And hath made the moon a light" (This verse implies that the moon produces its own light, rather than reflecting light from the sun). 71:16
Someday the stars will fall. 81:2
Humans are formed from "a gushing fluid" that issues "from between the loins and the ribs."
RE:@ balaord - Science and History in the Quran
by Frelancer on Mar 31, 2008 06:48 PM Permalink
JGN Taking a few passages from the Qur%u2019an out of proper historical and textual context will not give a proper understanding of the religious scripture,,,,,,,,, Why is it so impossible to believe that we Muslims have possesed knowledge and understanding while the West was living through the Dark Ages and the Black Plague? So many things that have been taken for granted today ,have their origins in the wonderful lands of Islam...We as Muslims and as a culture have been gulity of amnesia, most have forgotten or just dont know about our illustrious past. What would today's world be without us??? YOU HATE WHAT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. ISLAM IS PEACE AND LOVE!!!!
RE:@ balaord - Science and History in the Quran
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 06:49 PM Permalink
Dear Frelancer, pl use your own brain. I am not interested in the trash from Dr. Zakir Naik's website you are posting. I do not believe in the dogmas of any religion.
RE:@ balaord - Science and History in the Quran
by Frelancer on Mar 31, 2008 06:51 PM Permalink
JGN I know you would tell same when you make aware of the fact,,,,,,,,, Anyway Quran tells us to explore the science which i have mentioned in my earlier post,,,,,,, Its up to you whether you believe or not,,,
RE:@ balaord - Science and History in the Quran
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 06:53 PM Permalink
Pl quote the exact Sura where "Quran tells us to explore the science"
RE:@ balaord - Science and History in the Quran
by murli nair on Mar 31, 2008 07:02 PM Permalink
Frelancer - that is the crux of the problem. 'you' muslims or 'we' hindus did not possess knowledge or understanding. It was individuals who did that, and they would have done that whatever be their religion.
RE:@ balaord - Science and History in the Quran
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
Yes Mr.Murli, but it is very difficult to make the religious fanatics understand this simple fact. They are the same type who repeats "ente appooppakku oru ana undarnnu" (my grandfather had an elephant - famous novel of Vaikkom Mohammed Bashir)
RE:RE:@Gyan Vedic-Your request for 3 seminal contributions
by balaord on Mar 31, 2008 06:38 PM Permalink
JGN-How hypcrite you are?you first said that Islam and Muslims did nothing and now you say what is the link? Arent you the one who patted back Gyan vedi? who in his immense history of science ridiculed me?
RE:RE:RE:@Gyan Vedic-Your request for 3 seminal contributions
by JGN on Mar 31, 2008 06:43 PM Permalink
Dear balaord, you are just halucinating. I have always maintained that religion has nothing to do with the growth of modern civilization and more imprtantly science and technology. An inventor can belong to any religion but his inventions are for the benefit of whole mankind.
Btw are you aware that the miniscule community of jews are responsible for more number of inventions than the followers of all other religions put together? Even Karl Marx who changed the face of the world with his Communist Manifesto was a Jew!
