China since Indo-China war has repeatedly undermined India's sovereignity by violating Indian chekposts in Arunachal pradesh(AP),denying visa to residents of Arunachal pradesh,supporting antiIndia activities in Nepal,Bangladesh & NE states and gifting Pakistan land to build Pakistan-China roads. Indian govt. has been trying to avoid looking into the eyes of China and showed that they do not have courage specially Congress party govts.Its time our bleating PM showed that he has guts to stand up against China for AP and ask about Tibetan atrocities.Remember once China becomes strong in Tibet, it is knocking on India's doors directly for further invasion. Our sardar PM should show he is actually a "Sardar". How long we Indians will be accepting Chinese incursions from everywhere?
Nomatter how the ignorant citizens presuming that tibet is an independant country, but infact Tibet belongs to China forever, these is admited by all formal governments in the world including India, Euroup, USA. Dalai lama admited also that Tibet is one part of China. But unfortunitly, Dalai lama can't controll the 2nd or 3rd generations exile tibetans who had become terrorists and separatists under the religion robe, Dalai lama had been threaten by those young tibetans that if he contact to Beijing government. Separatism is a common in almostly every countries, not only in China, but also in India. If the motherland is not strong enough, the separatists would grown up and usually been supported by hostility neibour countries by an informal way. Usually, the sepatatists can gain the supports of ignorant and unfair citizens in these neighbour countries. Every formal governments will cooperate to fight against international terrorism, ethnic separatism and religious extremism due to the nations profit and the peace of the world.
RE:Tibet separatism is admited only by ignorant citizens except by formal government
by stav on Mar 23, 2008 03:18 PM Permalink
WATCH THIS ON YOUTUBE watch?v=BkMcj4vQtRU
1. people of Kashmir have the right to choose their governement, as they live in a democracy, Tibetians dont. 2. Kashmiri hindus were thrown out of kashmir by muslim majority, Han chinese have immigrated into Tibet diluting tibetian population further. 3. kashmiri sufism is closer to hinduism than to wahabism, pakistan systematically irradicated sufism from kashmir with rot like wahabism. 4.Tibetian monastaries were destroyed and only 3 of the bigest monastries remain compared to 10000 in the 1950's. Indian government funds muslim institution in India and in kashmir. 5. Tibetians are peace loving and kashimiri terrorist kill school children. 6. Indian government is neutral regarding Tibet issue, Pakistan survives because of Kashmir issue. 7. Tibetians have support from the civilized world, Kashmiri/Pakistani terrorists have support from anti human jihadis. 8. Dalai Lama is respected, Osama bin laden and other islamic leaders are despised. the list is endless.... 4.
RE:To Porkis who dont understand the difference between tibet and kashmir
by bullkq on Mar 23, 2008 01:55 PM Permalink
1 ecnomec of Tibet is growing up every years with the help of central government, and the culture had been protected surfficiently. 2 There are only 2-3% han race living in Tibet 4 Every tibet lamas had salaries for the PRC government. 5 tibetian who are living in Tibet now are indeed peace loveing, but the exile tibetians became international terrorism, ethnic separatism and religious extremism, they provoked the rebellion in lasa, they killed many guiltless citizens and set on fire in lasa 6 Indian government commendated the exile tibetians who are terrorism separatism and extremism for some political aims. 7 200 thousants exile tibatian are supported from ignorant citizens in the world, But 4 millions tibetien who living a peaceful and happy life with the support of China government. 8 Dalai lama is a wolf under the religion robe who had been supporting by limited western countries and hostile countries with a hidden purpose
RE:RE:To Porkis who dont understand the difference between tibet and kashmir
by stav on Mar 23, 2008 03:14 PM Permalink
1. culture has been protected !! by exiling the leader the dalai lama and destroying 10000 monastaries. 2. Han Chinese are 30-35 % and you get tax cuts if you immigrate to tibet. 3. Salaries !! what are you talking about. pure BS. 4. Tibetians are peace loving in Tibet because all those who protest end up in labour camps similair to german ones during second world war.
IF THERE IS SOME TRUTH IN WHAT YOU SAY, WHY DOES CHINA CENSOR EVEN GOOGLE ? WHY DO WE GET TO SEE ONLY VIDEOS FROM CHINSESE SOURCES ? WHY ARENT CNN OR BBC ALLOWED IN TIBET NOW ?
RE:To Porkis who dont understand the difference between tibet and kashmir
by bullkq on Mar 23, 2008 06:02 PM Permalink
1 dalai lama exile by himself for the instigate of his subordinates who had lost their lands and slaveries after the Tibet liberated in
1949. PRC government perserve the spirital leader status in Tibet, but dalai lama excape to India himself. China government had
persuaded him to live back China for many times but refused by dalai lama. If you had a indeed jouney to Tibet, you will see so many monastaries protected so well. Actrually Tibet culture fascinated many
Han Race people and travell there. 2 Han race living in tibet region is lower than 10% of all the popullation in tibet (base the recantly data) 3 From 1980, central government support 2 billions RMBs to repair and protect BUDALA TEMPLE, DAZHAO TEMPLE and so on. Every year, Central government support 12-15billions RMBs to support tibet economy. With the development of China econmic
growth, Tibet's GDP increased 55 times from 40 year ago. Except for the exiling feudalism slavery master, millions of tibetians
share the profits of development of China. 4 the rioters kill at least 18 guiltless citizens in Lasa , and set on fire in lasa. They are indeed terrorist and separatist.
But the western media such as BBC VOA CNN hadn`t reported the trueth. Indeed, the western cournties does no like to see a stronger China and a stronger India.( British colonizer make the India and pakistan problem, then destroy the united of Indian) The western media is sevice for the benifit for their own courty b
RE:RE:RE:To Porkis who dont understand the difference between tibet and kashmir
by bullkq on Mar 23, 2008 06:03 PM Permalink
But the western media such as BBC VOA CNN hadn`t reported the trueth. Indeed, the western cournties does no like to see a stronger China and a stronger India.( British colonizer make the India and pakistan problem, then destroy the united of Indian) The western media is sevice for the benifit for their own courty but no the justice and truth. Most of the video and photo about the Tibet rebellion had been recombinated and modified. As you all know USA invade Iraqe for the report that there was damaged weapons in Iraqi and Sadam had connection with Bin Ladin, which had been tested was a lie for oil and USA profits. China government has no choice but only to ban their unfair reports.
RE:To Porkis who dont understand the difference between tibet and kashmir
by stav on Mar 23, 2008 03:09 PM Permalink
My response: see this on youtube watch?v=BkMcj4vQtRU
the kashmiri pandit, they are very much local people of kashmir, they remind kashmiri muslims of what they were before conversion i.e Hindus. Also to remind Pakistanis before they were converted. This is why Taliban destroyed Buddist statues in Afgnaistan lest people in future connect with what they were before conversion and thus Arabs loose their hold , this is why Laden engaged in cave marriages. Huum chaahateey hein Asia kheey union hoo jhissey minor difference khaatam hoo jhaayee auuraha humaara goal hein kheey Asia mein thaakath bhaadeey. Ghooreey humeey khaa raaheey hein eiisa vaakat.
RE:Chinese Government are - NINCOMPOOPS
by Golden on Mar 23, 2008 09:24 AM Permalink
hope indian too will understand one day that oppression actually dont work. so i suggest india to wake up too and give freedom to kashmiri people and recognize them as an independent state.
WAKE UP INDIA
TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE REALITY, NO KASHMIRI WANTS INDIAN OCCUPATION, SO WHY FORCE THEM.
RE:Chinese Government are - NINCOMPOOPS
by sivasubramanian on Mar 23, 2008 11:24 AM Permalink
Golden, I hope you are the stupid in the universe, Pakistani always equate the Kashmir with Srilankan tamil issue/Tibet issue etc. Because they are hippocrites that is why the hide the truth. Look,Kashmir was not captured by india, They voluntrialy joined india to protect themselves.The Kashmir urest is created from outside elements.Where as the Tibet/Tamil Elam issues are by the people themselves not by others,Others helped only providing the refuge.
RE:RE:Chinese Government are - NINCOMPOOPS
by Silver Streak on Mar 23, 2008 09:45 AM Permalink
TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE REALITY - GOLDEN AND ALL UNGRATEFUL KASHMIRIS WANTS TO JOIN PAKISTAN
RE:Chinese Government are - NINCOMPOOPS
by Golden on Mar 23, 2008 10:13 AM Permalink
it is pity to see how many hypocrites are living in this india.the same people who are supporting for the freedom of tibbet, are strongly opposing the kashmir's freedom. height of hypocrisy. actually every man has got a devil inside him and this devil makes every man a selfish. only those who have killed this devil can win the war over his selfishness other wise they are no less than a devil. talking about the tibbet's freedom is a right of humanity but talking the same about the kashmir becomes a ungratefulness. please look onto your soul brother. is this the same soul you will like to carry to God and show your face to Him. may God bless all of us and give us the power to conquer over our selfishness.
RE:Chinese Government are - NINCOMPOOPS
by Sandeep on Mar 23, 2008 10:33 AM Permalink
Don't forget, J&K as a whole does not want to go to Pakistan. Probably people in Kashmir valley and few other areas around it. Comparison is really senseless as in Kashmir, terrorists had driven out Kashmiri Pandits by threatening them and sometimes killing them. That way only Kashmiri muslims were left and everyone else driven out. So they where ever there is a violence of that nature, it will be put down with force.
RE:RE:Chinese Government are - NINCOMPOOPS
by Golden on Mar 23, 2008 10:14 AM Permalink
every body has got right to chose his own path then why not golden and kashmiries. any way golden is not kashmiri and golden doesnt want to go to pakistan, he simply wants justice, justice for all. irrespective of hindu or muslim.
RE:Chinese Government are - NINCOMPOOPS
by stav on Mar 23, 2008 12:48 PM Permalink
golden is a porki, dont lie. i have yet to see a indian muslim on this forum supporting porkistan.
RE:RE:Chinese Government are - NINCOMPOOPS
by Sandeep on Mar 23, 2008 10:36 AM Permalink
You probably do not know but there is a huge difference. India has given special status to Kashmir and it can have it's own political party etc and people can select it to power if they wished. China is an opressive country where Tibetans have not real freedom.
There is no such thing as stupid people. Only greedy ones and non-greedy ones. China govt guys are greedy ones. They have enslaved their poor people to make wealth and stop the re-distribution of the same wealth to keep them poor and keep their inflation down too. Their greed does not stop there. They need more land continous land to expand to support their greed. They are aiming to control the water and natural resources by capturing Tibet and then Nepal. The concept of communism is being misused by greedy to perpectually remain in power and control. They are living beyond their means by enslaving people and capturing more land. The qustion is _not_ who will stop them. Time will come when water/land or peoples patience runs out on them and they have to stop. The question is who will stop them _now_. The Whites of USA and UK have been doing this too on weaker nations and peaceful cultures and the whites are not communist. So communism is not the cause of this - greed is. I am depressed that i dont know the solution. India govt has no morals left why becos they have become greedy too. They want to continue there trivial rule with as least effort as possible and hoping the future generation will take care of any such mess building currently. Same oppression is being done by rich Indians on poor Indian farmers. We are heading for doom.
RE:free fall
by Golden on Mar 23, 2008 09:25 AM Permalink
same thing is happening in india as well. indian govt. is greedy one and trying to kill the peace loving kashmiri community. all they want is freedom a very basic right for any human being.
RE:free fall
by Sandeep on Mar 23, 2008 10:41 AM Permalink
whereas majority of Kashmiri public(true for any other place as well) are peace loving, there is a segment which had driven out even more peace loving kashmiri Pandit comuunity. How come no one there raised a voice then? It is really strange, completely forgotten about all that?
RE:free fall
by D S on Mar 23, 2008 10:52 AM Permalink
the kashmiri pandit, they are very much local people of kashmir, they remind kashmiri muslims of what they were before conversion i.e Hindus. Also to remind Pakistanis before they were converted. This is why Taliban destroyed Buddist statues in Afgnaistan lest people in future connect with what they were before conversion and thus Arabs loose their hold , this is why Laden engaged in cave marriages.
RE:free fall
by Abhi Bhat on Mar 23, 2008 09:55 AM Permalink
Indian govt is protecting Kashmiri community from being captured and destroyed by Paki army. Tibet and Kashmir have different issues as native Tibetians are up against Chinese army. No external terrorist regime is running a proxy fight against China's army.
RE:free fall
by Golden on Mar 23, 2008 10:20 AM Permalink
only a selfish man like you will say tibbet and kashimr has different issue but those sitting in the parliament can easily smell the likeness in these issues and that's why are not willing to put their hand in this. every where local inhabitants are being tortured by the foreign army. local people want freedom and present govt. want to rule the land by use of force. as far as external regime support for tibbet is concerned, they have got no direct support but india is giving shelter to tibbatian monks, it is a foreign regime support. indian hindus supporting tibbet freedom is like pakistani people supporting kashmir struggle for freedom. only thing is india has got ist own problem so cant come with full face as he will be asked about kashmir and they know that both are same case. only some adamant hindus will think differently as they have given full power to the devil inside them and they are loving to be selfish as much as possible.
RE:free fall
by D S on Mar 23, 2008 10:50 AM Permalink
what about the kashmiri pandit, they are very much local people, they remind kashmiri muslims of what they were before conversion i.e Hindus. Also to Pakistanis before they were converted. This is why Taliban destroyed Buddist statues in Afgnaistan lest people in future connect with what they were before conversion.
