Q-1: Do each of you have a Holy Book or Scripture which you follow? The Hindu scholar will present his Veda, or Purana, or Bhagwad Geeta; the Buddhist scholar will present his Book of Buddha%u2019s teachings; the Sikh scholar will present his religious book Guru Granth Saheb; etc%u2026. and the Jewish scholar will present his book the Torah; the Christian scholar his Bible and the Muslim scholar the Quran.
Q-2: Are these books which you follow Divine, or the Words of the Lord God Who Created? The Hindu scholar will declare himself that his book is not divine or the word of the Creator, but are the words of a wise men like Valmiki, etc.; the Buddhist scholar will testify himself that their book is the words of their wise man Buddha; the Sikh scholar will declare himself that their book is the words of their leader Guru Nanak, etc. etc.
Each of these scholars will themselves declare and testify that the book they follow is neither Divine nor the Words of the Lord Creator%u2026but are the words of their respective religious leaders.
RE:Simple Test
by Sulaiman on Mar 23, 2008 03:36 PM Permalink
Dear JGN, I would not force my views onto you neither I ask you to follow Islam. The basic question is does God exist? Every person alive in this world has faced this question. Many great religions of this world have tried to provide an answer. What Islam provided was a new perspective. Its upto individual to look for that answer in Islam or where ever you will find it. The Quran say's that there is no compulsion in religion. If you want to follow thats good, else you have a right to choose your own way! Fighting on petty things! oh we will never get the big picture! The big picture is seeking the answer and the truth!
RE:6 MILLION MUSLIMS LEAVE ISLAM IN AFRICA ALONE EVERY YEAR
by JGN on Mar 23, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
The Jewish scholar will declare and claim that the book they follow, the Torah, is indeed Divine and a Revelation from the One and Only Lord God Who created unto their Prophet Moses (may peace be upon him). Similarly, the Christian scholar will present His Bible and claim it is Divine and the Word of God revealed unto their Prophet Christ Jesus (may peace be upon him). Likewise the Muslim scholar will present the Quran and claim that it is Divine and the Word of God revealed unto their Prophet Mohamed (may peace be upon him).
All the other religious scholars will themselves testify that their holy book is neither Divine nor the Word of the Lord Creator, but was written by a wise human being%u2026.and because they themselves do not claim their holy book to be divine, they are eliminated from any further questioning!
Thus, the only three of the several religions of the world, Jewism, Christianity and Islam are the only ones who even claim to possess the Word of the Creator in a book form which they follow.
RE:RE:6 MILLION MUSLIMS LEAVE ISLAM IN AFRICA ALONE EVERY YEAR
by JGN on Mar 23, 2008 03:05 PM Permalink
Q-3: Ask the remaining three scholars whether the book that is available with them in their hands is the exact verbatim same Revelation of the Lord which was revealed on their respective Prophets? The Jewish scholar will himself testify and explain that the original text of the Torah or the Old Testament which was revealed on their Prophet Moses does not exist today in its original form! He will further explain that in time the original text which was revealed on the Prophet Moses was destroyed, distorted, altered, changed, etc. and what they have amongst them today is only what is left and preserved from the Original Torah in addition to the works and words of their religious scholars and rabbis. But the Jewish scholar will himself testify to the fact and the truth that the Original Revelation of the Torah which was revealed by the Lord Creator upon Prophet Moses (peace be upon him) is not available with them today!
Similarly, the Christian scholar will testify that the original text of the Gospel which was revealed in Truth by the Lord God on Prophet Jesus does not exist today in its original text. Depending on which version of the Bible (King James, or the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Protestant, etc.) or which edition (1 through 16) the scholar holds, he himself will confirm that the Bible that is available today is a collection of what is preserved from the Old Testament and the Gospels which were written by the apostles of Christ or men named Mark, Matthew, Luke, and
RE:RE:RE:6 MILLION MUSLIMS LEAVE ISLAM IN AFRICA ALONE EVERY YEAR
by JGN on Mar 23, 2008 03:05 PM Permalink
Thus the Christian scholar will himself testify to the fact and truth that the Original Revelation of the Gospel which was revealed in Truth by the Lord God upon the Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) is not available in its original form today!
But ask any muslim scholar of any sect or school%u2026and he will claim that the Quran available today is the exact verbatim original Revelation which the Lord God revealed on His Last and Final Prophet Mohamed (saws). Not even an alphabet (leave alone a word, or phrase, or sentence, or paragraph) of the Original Revelation of the Quran has been altered or changed or doctored or moved or added or subtracted from the Original Revelation which was revealed upon Prophet Mohamed (peace be upon him)! The Muslim scholar will claim that the Quran which is amongst them today is the exact verbatim Word by Word the Very Words of the Lord Who Created.
Thus my beloved brother, even a simple litmus test eliminates all the available and prevalent religions of the world except Islam, from themselves laying claim that the Books and/or the Scriptures they follow are the original, verbatim, exact, very Words of the Lord Who Created.
RE:RE:RE:RE:6 MILLION MUSLIMS LEAVE ISLAM IN AFRICA ALONE EVERY YEAR
by JGN on Mar 23, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
All the other religions do not even themselves claim that their scriptures are Divine or the Very Words of God! It is Islam and the muslims alone who claim to have with them the Very Words of the Lord God, absolutely intact in its original text%u2026.thus all one has to do is to read and study this Divine Book themselves and determine for themselves whether the claim made by the muslims is indeed true or false!
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 16 Surah Nahl verse 89: We have sent down to you this Book, which makes everything plain, and is a guidance, blessing and good news to those who have surrendered themselves entirely.
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 41 Surah Ha Mim As Sajdaah verse 2-4: This is a Revelation from the All-Compassionate, the All-Merciful Allah. A Book whose verses are well-expounded, an Arabic Quran for the people who want to understand, and a giver of good news and a warner.
Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 18 Surah Kahf verse 1-3: All praise is for Allah Alone, Who has sent down this Book to His Servant (Mohamed (saws), and assigned nothing crooked to it. This Book says everything directly, so that he may warn the people of the severe chastisement of Allah and give good news to the believers, who do righteous deeds, that they will have an excellent reward.
I have read other scriptures along with Quran....and i find it as a copy of Jewish scripture and christian scripture.....example...jews say Shalom and muslims copied it saying Salam......Urdu is born in India from sanskrit and hindi...but they say it is from Arabic....
RE:Islam is copy of other scriptures....
by JGN on Mar 23, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
It seems u that it is copied because Islam is not started from Phrophet Mohammed it is from the biginning of the world. Our messenger is the last messenger. so the basics will be the same.
RE:RE:Islam is copy of other scriptures....
by snpost on Mar 23, 2008 03:08 PM Permalink
Your messenger is a fake- in the current world- there is a law called copyright. A shame it did not existed when your fake prophet was around. Bunch of cheap copies, I bet Chinese nowadays would have made a better copy.
RE:Islam is copy of other scriptures....
by Krommy on Mar 23, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
copies fade away, fakes fall off, but 1429 years plus, still growing strong why??
RE:Islam is copy of other scriptures....
by Rajiv on Mar 23, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
I tell u why....1 muslim guy marries 4 muslim girls and each girl gives birth to 10 muslim childres so with that it comes out 40 so its 1 4 = 40.....that is how it is multiplying....you know islam is multiplying....
RE:Islam is copy of other scriptures....
by snpost on Mar 23, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
watch the film Fitna soon- it will explain God, destruction, false belief etc. It si growing because of non existence birth control. When the muslim population grows to reach a limit taht the muslim land cannot support these people. War will start again- look at how the people from the west is preparing themselves by creating war, here and there to train themselves. Look at Indians- we we are appeasing these people as we did 1000 years ago.
RE:Islam is copy of other scriptures....
by Flamingo on Mar 23, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
Now this statment of your shows how much knowledge you have about The Abrahmic Religions and your own Religion. To your knowledge Urdu is originated in India. It is a mixture of 40% or Persian even its letter are taken from Persian and 30 % Arabic and the 5% turkish and the rest 25 % the then Hindi. So Stop writing your false Messages. This shows your great knowledge how you fool others with your statements.
RE:Islam is copy of other scriptures....
by Rajiv on Mar 23, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
Take a chill pill dude.....Terrorists copy everything from others and they kill others so that everything that is copies will be theirs.....that is why they want to kill Jews because they have copies scripture from jews...
The film Fitna, which criticises the K0ran- it featured a split screen with verses from the K0ran alongside examples of Sharia law, including scenes of beheadings and stonings. The film wants to show that %u201CIslam and the K0ran are part of a fascist ideology that wants to kill everything we stand for democracy and freedom%u201D. A comment from the Film Fitna In every age, from the mad emperor Nero's time, to our age, totalitarianism has threatened ordinary people. More than imperial ambitions, more than political ideologies, people have suffered much more from a surprising quarter. Religion, suppose to bring us peace, brought us the opposite - death, destruction and suffering to much of humanity in every continent of the world. The moment God was brought in via some Holy Book, there has been trouble. Like Mao's "Red Guards" holding the "Red Book" committing all sorts of mayhem, large force has been used again and again to "uphold the Book" to avenge "disrespect to the Book". This is far more dangerous than any political ideology. Entire civilisations have been wiped out in the Americas, Mid-east and South Asia in the name of some "Holy Book". It is time films like this showed bluntly what is happening.
RE:Sara jahan hamara
by Sulaiman on Mar 23, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
@Aurangzeb, I am sorry to read these words from you. You really don't understand the message of Islam. Poeple like you bring bad name to the religion!
RE:Sara jahan hamara
by Rajiv on Mar 23, 2008 03:00 PM Permalink
yaa true and its only you people who are brilliant ...you have invented computers, cell phones, electronics.............lolz....
Islam is nothing but fascism................given (fasley) the sanction of God........
this fascism is inherent in thier saying that there is no god bu allah.......and mohammed is his prophet.....and that there will be no prophet after him.........
he started this fascism by breaking more than 300 idols in Kaabah.........this mad revelry that followers of this cult have in destroying other's people's believes forcefully.........is followed till date.........an example bieng the destruction of bamiyan Buddhaa by taliban........
RE:Islam is nothing but fascism................given (fasley) the sanction of God........
by Krommy on Mar 23, 2008 02:52 PM Permalink
what was there in Kaaba before the 300 idols were placed by misguided?? were you born with a idol in your hand??
RE:Islam is nothing but fascism................given (fasley) the sanction of God........
by abhinav on Mar 23, 2008 02:53 PM Permalink
what was there in u r world befoer u were born Krommy..........
a simple question to u :
can I break u r father's potrit before u r eyes.....step on it........and use it on temple steps........will u get worled up Krommy.....??
moreover why do u people then get worked up by breaking of a mosque......??? we feel that u r misguided in building such a building........
RE:Islam is nothing but fascism................given (fasley) the sanction of God........
by Krommy on Mar 23, 2008 02:59 PM Permalink
no keep pictures or porttraits, very unimportant, no worhip sculptures, dont get worked up.
RE:Islam is nothing but fascism................given (fasley) the sanction of God........
by abhinav on Mar 23, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
then why do u people have pictures of Kaabah......mecca and madina all over ur shops / offices and homes.........???
u have stil not answered me........can I use photo of Mecca & madina......and use it on the steps to temple........????
RE:Sultan Kaminuddin Muhammad Rasul (Rahul) Padshah Ghazi
by Sulaiman on Mar 23, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
@Aurangzeb stop posting such idiotic messages! Shows your upbringing!
RE:Sultan Kaminuddin Muhammad Rasul (Rahul) Padshah Ghazi
by unni krishnan nair on Mar 23, 2008 03:00 PM Permalink
Thats interesting Alamgir. I get an idea of how Mughal history might have been written. So all the history that I studied in schools and written by the Secular historians of India are based on chroniclers like you.
RE:RE:idol worhsippers??
by abhinav on Mar 23, 2008 02:51 PM Permalink
can I break u r father's potrit before u r eyes.....step on it........and use it on temple steps........will u get worled up Krommy.....??
RE:idol worhsippers??
by Virgo on Mar 23, 2008 02:47 PM Permalink
Well, you should first aske yourself why Muslims who claim to disown idol worship worship the idol stone at the Kaaba. Isn't that horrific considering that the Quran oreders destruction of idols and idol worshippers?
RE:RE:RE:idol worhsippers??
by abhinav on Mar 23, 2008 02:51 PM Permalink
can I break u r father's potrit before u r eyes.....step on it........and use it on temple steps........will u get worled up Krommy.....??
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:idol worhsippers??
by abhinav on Mar 23, 2008 02:56 PM Permalink
then why do u keep pictures of kaabah in u r shops / homes everywhere......???
can i use the photo of Mecca on the footsteps of my temple.....??
RE:idol worhsippers??
by Virgo on Mar 23, 2008 02:53 PM Permalink
Hmmm... for a muslim you seem to be very ignorant about your own religion. Just google Kaaba stone and you will find the answer. kaaba stone in Mecca has been worshipped by the Muslims ever since Mohammad did the same. Go read up on your religion before attempting to denigrage other religions.
RE:RE:RE:idol worhsippers??
by Virgo on Mar 23, 2008 03:07 PM Permalink
Friend, you are diverting the question. Muslims do worship the Kaaba stone. That is a fact. I can give you a hundred references to the fact. But why bother. I think you know that it is a fact but as is the practice with most muslims you try to deny that and divert attention.
Sure I knwo all about your tawheed. What does that have to do with the fact that Muslims worship a black stone?
RE:@YUNUS : WHERE DID THIS MUSAALMAAN RUN AWAY ?
by Sulaiman on Mar 23, 2008 02:43 PM Permalink
@Rajesh, This is a weak hadith and not substantiated. The Hadith is actually the commentary for Quran. We refer to the Hadith and cross verify it with Quran. There is nothing mentioned in the Quran on the benefits of Camels urine. Hence we reject it. If you know the reality, there are around 300000 Hadiths, out of them around 2500 are sahih hadith means authentic. Lots of people and leaders and politicians since 1400 years have mis interpreted the hadiths and infact created their own to misled the people. The hadith is not God's word. The Quran is !The Muslim should be careful about these type of Hadiths and should always follow the Quran. Hence it is mandotory in Islam that one reads, understand and follow the Quran. There are lots of people in the world like you, who will try to misinform about Islam, but understand, this is futile. For 1400 years Islam has been criticized and opposed, but still it has grown to enormous proportion. Its just a matter of time before it becomes the no. 1 religion of the world!
RE:RE:RE:@YUNUS : WHERE DID THIS MUSAALMAAN RUN AWAY ?
by Sulaiman on Mar 23, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
Brother Rajesh, I would not force my views onto you neither I ask you to follow Islam. The basic question is does God exist? Every person alive in this world has faced this question. Many great religions of this world have tried to provide an answer. What Islam provided was a new perspective. Its upto individual to look for that answer in Islam or where ever you will find it. The Quran say's that there is no compulsion in religion. If you want to follow thats good, else you have a right to choose your own way! Fighting on petty things! oh we will never get the big picture! The big picture is seeking the answer and the truth!
RE:@YUNUS : WHERE DID THIS MUSAALMAAN RUN AWAY ?
by Flamingo on Mar 23, 2008 02:57 PM Permalink
Dhakkan Rajesh The Truth is Hindus actually drink the Piss of Animals and Muslims donot drink the piss of camel. There is no Hadith which tells you to drink the Piss.
RE:@YUNUS : WHERE DID THIS MUSAALMAAN RUN AWAY ?
by abhinav on Mar 23, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
abe dhakkan flamingo.......he has given the reference of hadiths........now r u going to do blasphemy by not drinking camel piss.......and not following the orders of prophet mohammed........????? kindly drink camel piss whenever u r sick.....as directed by u r know all prophet mohammed.......u will get cured instantly......as mentioned in hadiths...........lolsss.....
