RE:Congress enacted same law in HP, still lost the election!!
by Innocent Fool on Mar 21, 2008 02:06 AM Permalink
Brahmin's job is to lead pooja. Not politics. It is brahmins who brought disgrace to Hindus.
RE:Congress enacted same law in HP, still lost the election!!
by Innocent Fool on Mar 21, 2008 02:11 AM Permalink
In kaliyuga Brahmi's curse is like crow's curse. Not effective.
RE:Congress enacted same law in HP, still lost the election!!
by Innocent Fool on Mar 21, 2008 02:23 AM Permalink
But he carries all bad sins of his enchestors. Hence he is also a problemsome curse..
RE:Congress enacted same law in HP, still lost the election!!
by Kumar on Mar 21, 2008 02:22 AM Permalink
Really, is that how Brahmins are created in India today or for that matter for the past one thousand years? Stop lying you hypocrite!
RE:Congress enacted same law in HP, still lost the election!!
by Innocent Fool on Mar 21, 2008 02:37 AM Permalink
Yes, you represent todays Brahmins who are curse to entire mankind. You talk nonsense when cornered with reason.
RE:Indian Supreme Court upheld bills earlier enacted for similar purpose
by Innocent Fool on Mar 21, 2008 02:04 AM Permalink
Whenever Brahmins led war Hindus lost it. War is skhstriyas department, not Brahmis's.
RE:@ Yaqoot Mir
by Mo Pirate on Mar 21, 2008 01:25 AM Permalink
No the Book says Earth is spread like Cheese on Bread. Mountains are placed here and there to balance the weight of humans and animals since some places are inhabited most and some other places are empty. Fallah placed the mountains where there were less population of humans and animals sothat the flat earth won't fall.
RE:@ Yaqoot Mir
by on Mar 21, 2008 01:31 AM Permalink
if it really means wat u r saying then its really funny, but again if it means some ecological balance it does make some sense.
RE:@ Yaqoot Mir
by JGN on Mar 21, 2008 01:28 AM Permalink
Pl search for The Skeptics Annotated Bible/Quran. It has category-wise verses like Absurdities, Contradictions, Hatred, Good Stuff etc from The Bible, The Quran and the Book of Mormon and understand for yourself.
Whats this, India needs a bill to forcefully stop coversions? where is democracy, where is claims of secularism? I see that only applies to Muslim countries I guess you Indian hypocrites....does this mean your religion simply does not have the matter to keep its followers in the fold? something the three major religions claim anyway and I guess they have been proven right.
RE:Bill against reeligious conversions?
by JGN on Mar 21, 2008 01:08 AM Permalink
Pl read the article again. It says:
"The Rajasthan Dharma Swatantraya Bill, 2008, reintroduced by Chief Minister Vasundhara Raje last week, prohibits conversion by use of force, allurement or fradulent means. It was passed"
So why do you have burning somewhere? Are you into that sort of conversion?????
RE:Bill against reeligious conversions?
by Indian Analyst on Mar 21, 2008 01:59 AM Permalink
It's the other way around buddy ! The law is to prevent fraud. Don't kill muslims who leave Islam. Set them free and see what happens (specially in pak and middle east) !
how many of them have guts to let their children choose their own religion once they become an adult then forcing them in their childhood to follow a particular religion? if u dont force a child to follow a particular religion in its childhood, once he become an adult with good education he probably might laugh at all religions.
RE:for anyone who says his religion is the best
by JGN on Mar 21, 2008 12:49 AM Permalink
Yes, you are right. The motto of the religious teachers is to "catch them young" If every one is kept out of religion till he is 25 years of age, he will not believe in any religion or god.
RE:for anyone who says his religion is the best
by Rahul Khanna on Mar 21, 2008 01:03 AM Permalink
on,
Hinduism as a religion allows its followers the option of being Hindus or not being Hindus.
That is the same as allowing you to choose a religion.
If you have to discuss the question of guts, then you should direct that question to muslims because only a muslim needs guts to follow another religion besides Islam.
No religion except Islam makes you a candidate for execution if and when you choose to follow another religion!!
RE:for anyone who says his religion is the best
by on Mar 21, 2008 01:12 AM Permalink
its not true that u cannot convert from islam, there are many got converted from islam even in india i have seen.
RE:for anyone who says his religion is the best
by JGN on Mar 21, 2008 01:20 AM Permalink
Yes, it is possible in India and also most of the secular democratic countries but not allowed as per the Quran (in Muslims countries the punishment is death sentence).
RE:for anyone who says his religion is the best
by JGN on Mar 21, 2008 01:26 AM Permalink
Saudi Arabia and Pakistan for sure. Other muslim countries are also like that only.
The Real Hinduism is on the rise, not in India but outside India. Hindus settled outside India are the real Hindus who doesn't believe in birth based castes.
The real sense of Hinduism as per Bhagawat Gita is best understood and practiced by Hindus settled outside India.
The real Hinduism is on rise and the fake caste based Hinduism(In India) is on the fall. It is a good sign.
Sanadana Dharma by literal meaning is the religion which never dies and it will survive the barbarian islum assault and treacherous Xtian assault.
RE:Hinduism on the rise
by on Mar 21, 2008 01:01 AM Permalink
mo, hinduism for hindus outside india in particular to US n UK is more of an identity then a religion. most of them are not serious in the religion in particular to the 2nd n 3rd generation hindus, but interested to have just as an identity.
RE:Hinduism on the rise
by Mo Pirate on Mar 21, 2008 01:09 AM Permalink
At least they are proud to say they are Hindus unlike the cowards in India who feels ashamed being a Hindu thanks to the propaganda of anti Hindu forces to put down Hinduism in every means.
RE:Hinduism on the rise
by JGN on Mar 21, 2008 01:13 AM Permalink
Nobody is ashamed. Hinduism is not a religion in its narrow sense. It is a way of life. Even if I do not believe in any god, I am still a Hindu. Btw atheists existed even in Vedic period and were called "Charvakas"
No religious leader can issue any fatwa against me for not believing in any god nor can they deny permission to bury the dead or threaten me with social boycott (like the Christains and Muslims)
Evolution of Man: The earth is a planet in the solar system. The earth came into being about 4500 million years ago. At first, it was in the gaseous state. Gradually, over a period, it solidified and land formed. Water bodies developed on land. Algae-like plants developed in water. At about this time, unicellular micro-organisms were formed. Animals on earth evolved in stages from these unicellular micro-organisms. The process of development of the living world %u2013 from unicellular living beings to man %u2013 is known as evolution. This evolution has taken place over millions of years.
Today's man evolved in stages from ape %u2013 a monkey closely resembling man. The two main stages in this evolution are Ho-mo Ere-ctus and 'Ho-mo Sap-iens'. The word Ho-mo indicates man and Ere-ctus indicates %u2018with upright spine%u2019. Ho-mo sap-iens means the wise man. At this stage, he began to make fire and devise stone implements.
PP-14, History of Ancient India, Standard Six, published by Maharashtra State Bureau of Text Book Production and Curriculum Research, Pune (Education Department Sanction No. Pra-Shi-Sa/2007-08/manjuri 505 (9) Date: 8.1.2007
RE:Is there any Supreme Creator???
by JGN on Mar 21, 2008 12:42 AM Permalink
Mr. Sanjay, I had reproduced from a Govt text book. Do you think that is a joke? This is what we teach our children (irrespective of religion).
RE:Is there any Supreme Creator???
by Yaqoot Mir on Mar 21, 2008 01:03 AM Permalink
Thank you for that statement, thats exactly how the Koran claims the panets were created, its not a discovery from Scientists, its merely confirmation of what the Koran says and the bible is silent on. Chalk one up for the great book called the Koran.
RE:Is there any Supreme Creator???
by on Mar 21, 2008 12:33 AM Permalink
the gaseous state was created by lord vishnu, which was mentioned in ramayan and mahabarat. after the invasion of mougals n brits they tore that particular page from those books.
RE:Is there any Supreme Creator???
by Demo-crazy on Mar 21, 2008 12:38 AM Permalink
I think one can ask endless 'how' or 'why' questions - in search of answers. How did these microorganisms form? How did they get the life force in them? Is pure chemical combination or breakdown enough to say one can induce life into something? What really gives the power to life - to think, to act, to do good or bad? If it were to be purely at animal level, why are we better? Why no other life form has not evolved further?
I am not sure if we have answers for all these questions. But the search must continue. There is something unexplained force (call it God or whatever you like) that energizes all life form.
RE:RE:Is there any Supreme Creator???
by JGN on Mar 21, 2008 12:46 AM Permalink
Yes, there are unanswered questions but as far as an atheist is concerned, they do not attach any divinity to that. Sooner or later, the scientists will find an answer to that. Not too long ago, just a handful of scientists believed that the earth is round and it goes around the sun. But even a student of 3rd standard knows the fact.
Btw I do not have any quarrel with the believers. I know for sure that belief is like a crutch for them. But don't brings the go/gods on to the streets and auction them.
RE:Is there any Supreme Creator???
by Mo Pirate on Mar 21, 2008 12:53 AM Permalink
@JGN
Scientists have to explain first how and by whom Matter is created. How and by whom energy is created. Yes science know matter can be converted to energy and vice versa. But science failed to explain the origin of matter or energy in this Universe.
I advice you to read the book "A Brief History of time" by Stephan Hawkings. You can read the books of Carl Sagan also.
RE:Is there any Supreme Creator???
by JGN on Mar 21, 2008 01:02 AM Permalink
Mo Pirate, can any of the agents of "the supreme creator" tell me who created him? If the creator can create himself, the earth and every thing in the universe can create itself. It is the same question "which came first egg or chicken?" The believers do not have any satisfactory answer so are the atheists. We are at least helpeful that a satisfactory answer would be found one day.
RE:RE:Is there any Supreme Creator???
by Demo-crazy on Mar 21, 2008 01:12 AM Permalink
The concept of "Anant" something that has no end is useful. There was always something and the churn kept on happening. There is transformation, but not total destruction.
So the matter and energy conversion falls nicely into this concept of Anant propounded by Krishna in Bhagwad Gita. (it is altogether another matter, whether one wants to call Krisna as a God).
RE:Is there any Supreme Creator???
by Demo-crazy on Mar 21, 2008 01:07 AM Permalink
JGN, knowledge will always enrich us as the search continues.
I too agree with the wording of crutch to some extent. Not all can live by the concept of omnipresent form of Supreme force or power(which probably does not ask one worship. we do it for our own ability to be do gooders, our own well being).
There are evil minds in every religion who bring the idols or their concepts on the streets and pollute. You cannot easily stop them.
RE:Is there any Supreme Creator???
by JGN on Mar 21, 2008 01:16 AM Permalink
So let every one believe in whatever they want (and leave people like me free not to believe in any supreme creator and such notions)
RE:@ Balaord
by JGN on Mar 21, 2008 12:40 AM Permalink
The message was Mr. Balaord. It is the title of Vaikkom Mohammed Bashir's novel "Ente appoopakku oru ana undarnnu" and you also knows that. I had narrated that once to Mr. Balaord.
RE:Every body can claim that certain religion is winning the hearts and minds of people
by benicenow on Mar 21, 2008 12:41 AM Permalink
Everything is fine Why do you need Propoganda than ?????? I can see Islam is spreading very fast in Africa Millions are killing each other ...in Iraq, Afghanistan, now Pakistan Muslims..........Nobody ever doubted that Islam is spreading......Unfortunately only for wrong reasons my friend.....
RE:RE:Every body can claim that certain religion is winning the hearts and minds of people
by Yaqoot Mir on Mar 21, 2008 01:13 AM Permalink
Read my answer above you will see why the violence spreads!.
RE:Every body can claim that certain religion is winning the hearts and minds of people
by on Mar 21, 2008 12:35 AM Permalink
more n more terrorist also are generating from islam
RE:RE:Every body can claim that certain religion is winning the hearts and minds of people
by Yaqoot Mir on Mar 21, 2008 01:11 AM Permalink
One mans terrorists is another man's freedom fighter as more and more prssure is exerted to interfere in Muslim way of life this is a natural reaction (unequal yet opposite reaction to a action). They are not terrorists albiet their methods can be more refined ( and by the way the majority of Mulsims also are against using such barbaric means ) but we do not oppose them in all things they do, they fight for a way of life, keeping in mind the West went to war against one of her own GERMANY why to protect their way of life, the US fights in Afghanistan and Iraq why? to protect their way capitalist system and way of life. The Basques in Spain fight for their way of life, the IRA in Ireland fought for their way of life. The Indian parliment past a bill against coversion to protect their way of life. GOT THE POINT now shut up and pike down.
RE:Every body can claim that certain religion is winning the hearts and minds of people
by Rahul Khanna on Mar 21, 2008 12:56 AM Permalink
balaord,
That may be so but do you know the real reason for this occurence?
Hispanics are legendary alcoholics.
Their main religion - xtianity expects them to show up at church every Sunday morning.
Sunday morning is the worst possible time for them because they party hard on Saturday night, right into the early hours of Sunday morning.
This situation creates a major conflict of faith for them.
The solution is to have pews that are hangover-friendly.
But such pews are not feasible in the current church environment.
So they are choosing a religion in which prayer and hangover nursing can be managed at the same time.
Islam is the best religion for this. All they have to do is come to prayer with their "carpeeta" (prayer mat) and lunge over it doggie style while the mullah howls for a couple of hours like a wolf howls at a full moon!!
RE:Every body can claim that certain religion is winning the hearts and minds of people
by Mo Pirate on Mar 21, 2008 12:28 AM Permalink
Islum is winning the hearts of people with criminal tendencies whether it is Latin, europeans, asians or any other part of world.
Criminals find Islum most suitable since it was established by a criminal gang which was expelled from Mecca where peace and law of rule prevailed.
RE:Every body can claim that certain religion is winning the hearts and minds of people
by Yaqoot Mir on Mar 21, 2008 01:07 AM Permalink
Mecca after and before the expulsion was not in harmony and peace as you claim, thats how much you know of Mecca, read a little first, infact mecca was peacfully subdued by Muslims with a drop of blood being spilled, cite one other incident in history where an entire city was captured with spilling blood? Islam has a glorious tradition of ruling hearts and minds. You can say whatever you want truth is its still and will remain a MAJOR religion in this world till kingdom come.
