RE:wat if in india all states want to become independent country, to india ka kya hoga?
by garib admi on Mar 19, 2008 10:21 PM Permalink
You are again right
RE:wat if in india all states want to become independent country, to india ka kya hoga?
by Sriram R on Mar 19, 2008 10:39 PM Permalink
My word - Whts wrong with you people? Please get the historical facts right before making absurd comparisons as if the case of Tibet and the Indian states are similar. Huh!!
RE:kya pata kya sahi hai aur kya galat.
by garib admi on Mar 19, 2008 10:17 PM Permalink
exactly...you are right..perfectly said..well said...im so proud of you..what you said is really right.i cant agree more..this is the ultimate truth.you are correct. im proud of you, shiva!
RE:kya pata kya sahi hai aur kya galat.
by Astute Analyst on Mar 19, 2008 10:22 PM Permalink
Both Chinese and western propogandas are biased. So you are perfect. In spite of so much coverage of Tibet by media, we don't know the truth.
Yes, we know of CHina. So does ghora USA, but they have a mindset that made them take over the world and divided India/Indians does not. If India has power to liberate Tibet then make it autonomic state of India. Let it not be Anti-India Bangaldesh that I Gandhi forged or Sri-Lanka or Nepal that Nehru agreed. OTHERWISE ...stay the course to make people aware of evils of Not just China but also the other nations.
China blackmails india, it is not a real friend ( it is doing business , which is also heavily in favor of china)
1. arms pakistan - nuclear , missile 2. arming Sri lankans - for genocide against tamils 3. Biggest hinderance for india in NSG and UN security council. 4. Occupies Askai Chin of India 5. Claims Arunachal pradesh of india 5. May claim more indian land.
besides all the above china expect india to 1. suppress tibetans - or else china will do above all things 2. Support Chinese claim on tibet which is culturally and historically separate land and people.
Please note helping weak and people in distress is not a favor , it is a responsibility that india is doing. But India with it's weak leadership and few foolish people are siding with china and there brethren communists.
What indians expect China to do ..beside business ..support India in UN sec. council membership or leave Arunachal pradesh to india or support India in NSG...ALL THESE ARE WRONG EXECTATIONS.
Chinese have not conceded an inch to weak countries like vietnam on their boundary...is too rigid on taiwan .. and they will not leave annexing indian land ...
WHEN IS INDIAN PUBLIC GET OUT OF THIS Nehru nostalgia of China and not learn from the GRand betrayal of 1962...LEARN FROM HISTORY
RE:People are ignorant - China is the real wolf
by garib admi on Mar 19, 2008 10:07 PM Permalink
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RE:People are ignorant - China is the real wolf
by D S on Mar 19, 2008 10:10 PM Permalink
Yes, we know of CHina, So does ghora USA, but they have a mindset that made them take over the world and India does not. If India has power to liberate Tibet then make it autonomic state of India. Let it not be Anti-India Bangaldesh or Sri-Lanka or Nepal OTHERWISE ...stay the course to make people aware of evils of Not just China but also the other nations.
RE:People are ignorant - China is the real wolf
by Astute Analyst on Mar 19, 2008 10:11 PM Permalink
I agree that China is the biggest long term threat to India and needs to be contained. India needs to balance the national interests by exploiting the differences between US & China. US fear of rising China is good for us and so is the suspicion about US among Chinese. However, we should not become a frontline state in the conflict beween US & China. Frontline states suffer the most during a conflict.
The best book on the Tibet issue is: Buddha's not Smiling by Eric Curren. It exposes the true nature of Lama order in Tibet. I don't think China's policy of launching personal attacks against Dalai Lama is wise. But Tibetans deserve better leaders than the corrupt Lamas.
RE:Buddha's not smiling
by Astute Analyst on Mar 19, 2008 10:13 PM Permalink
I have no love lost for China. I would be happy if Tibet becomes independent. But I don't want corrupt Lama rule in our neighborhood.
RE:Buddha's not smiling
by Pradeep Rajappa on Mar 19, 2008 10:26 PM Permalink
To :Astute Analyst Facts you would want to know : If Tibet becomes free : They already have a Prime Minister who is elected and Headquartered in HP- India Tibet will become a Domocracy with a government and the Dalai Lama Will only be their Spiritual Leader..... Please get your facts right - I understand that many people have limited knowledge but in the age of the Internet you should surely atleast try to get your facts right.
RE:Buddha's not smiling
by Astute Analyst on Mar 19, 2008 10:56 PM Permalink
Your arguments are well taken. The authors who paint harsh picture of pre-communist regime might be bribed by China. We have to go by the published scholarship on the issue until it is refuted by a superior scholarship.
RE:RE:Buddha's not smiling
by Sriram R on Mar 19, 2008 10:46 PM Permalink
Dear Astute Analyst - Please take your analysis further. Are you aware of the Chinese propoganda machinery where they pay western authors huge sums to propogate their line of thought. They did it with respect to 1962 Indo-China war and they did it so well that some dull headed Indians themselves started believing that India was the aggressor. So the same I believe is with respect to Eric Curren's book. And regarding corruption - Well that is a social problem rather than a LAMA problem and I hope you also aware that many of the current Lamas are installed by the Chinese.
RE:RE:Buddha's not smiling
by Pradeep Rajappa on Mar 19, 2008 11:44 PM Permalink
Do you also understand that the world is actually changing and when the tibetians are embracing democracy of the modern world that it will not be the same rule which was there in the 1900's . Grow up ......There is a change happening all around you . People are more globalized now.
LET TIBET BE RETAINED AS THE SPIRITUAL NATION. In these times of market and economy the world is losing the morality each day. Let Tibeten people have the freedom to choose what they want to have. CHINA's attrocities MUST be CONDEMNED. INDIA MUST ACT FAST AND SUPPORT TIBET. FULL STOP !!!
RE:INDIA MUST ACT FAST AND SUPPORT TIBET. FULL STOP !!!
by JKP on Mar 19, 2008 10:14 PM Permalink
What about applying the same yard stick to KASHMIR as you applied to Tibet that "let the Kashmiri people have the freedom to choose what they want to have".....
RE:INDIA MUST ACT FAST AND SUPPORT TIBET. FULL STOP !!!
by Sriram R on Mar 19, 2008 10:52 PM Permalink
Here is another wise guy trying to act like a lawyer and a saint. JKP Bhai (never mind if you are a Pakistani) - Kashmir situation and Tibet situation is not same. Kashmir asceded to India legally. No body invited the Chinese to Tibet. Kashmir had issues of administration but it was never worse off than Bihar or Orissa. It was when Pakistan started sending in Islamic terrorists that the situation in Kashmir deteriorated. We spent more on the development of Kashmir than what Kashmir gave back to India. We never crushed Kashmiri culture. It is the terrorists who are destroying Kashmiriyat. China has been hell bent on destroying the Tibetan culture and their identity. Tibet had in fact trusting India to protect them but India let them down then and we are letting them down now. Hope some sane thoughts would have entered your mind by now.
RE:INDIA MUST ACT FAST AND SUPPORT TIBET. FULL STOP !!!
by JKP on Mar 20, 2008 01:08 AM Permalink
So an errant and unpopular king who does not know the people's mind decides the destiny of Kashmir was right in your opinion. Even in India the kingdoms did not invite Indian administartion to take over them after Independence. The unification was done mostly without the will of the then kings. Tibet has been a part of China as Indian kingdoms have been a part of India.
