Mumbai has no fresh water supply of its own to write about... very little. It is Maharashtra water that the migrants are using. No amount of work generates new fresh water supplies - what the state has thats it!
So if half of India pours into Maharashtra based on the filthy claim that anyone can live anywhere - where does Maharashtra find the water for all these people?
It is easy to write idealistic nonsense on a piece of paper - it is hard to see the hardships that a great state like Mahasrashtra is bearing resolutely.
Re: Maharashtra's water resources are finite...
by Saee Misal on Oct 04, 2009 12:24 PM Permalink
Absolutely correct. While making claims and taking the support of the Right to reside in any part of India a very important point which you made is convieniently forgotten
His article shows even the educated marathi's are of same mental set up like others. Mubai lives on the buying capacity of others so others have the right to live in Mumbai. All the points he mention for BIMARU are applicable to marthis also.If he say marathis are educated then why they go behind illitrate North indians.
RE:Col Dr.anil Athale Problem of Mumbai
by heramb gude on Mar 24, 2008 11:25 AM Permalink
Nobody has questioned the right to reside in Mumbai.But how much more influx of migrants can Mumbai take.Mumbai is an island city and can only expand vertically.The infrastructure of Mumbai is on the verge of collapsing.U r speaking about rights.When Mumbai was submerged in July-August 2005,was it not the duty of fellow Indians to help Mumbai and Maharashtra in its hour of need.Not one state bothered to extend a helping hand.A minister of Kerala offered help with the condition that the help would be restricted to Malayalee people.If this can be the narrow mindset of one state of India,is it wrong for Marathis to protest the invasion of Maharashtra by migrants from other states.Would you all UP/Biharis to muster a sizeable votebank and dream of handing over power to Laloo/Mulayam in your home state of Tamilnadu.Today Maharashtra and Assam are suffering.Tomorrow it will be the turn of other linguistic states as well.
Everydody has share with Mumbai so don't compare Mumbai with Maha and compare with UP. You will be ashamed!!! Check the 2008 budget. don't take 2001 survey to compare statewise data. Now 2011 should be the reference.
RE:Do not include Mumbai to declare Maha GDP
by Manjula A on Mar 24, 2008 11:40 AM Permalink
Noida is included in UP's GDP. Logically, Mumbai should be included in Maharashtra's.
Mr Stav & Allah typing same data, So it is proved that this Mus playing here. I am agree with Mr Tom, Most of the states learn from Big Brother (UP) and now started scolding. Not a problem, let's continue. It is challenge to any other lang or culture to rule delhi. You guys are just tribes without western chakri. Still English rules and than Hindi.
average income in bihar/UP=1/4th the avg income of a person in maharashtra. This causes poor quality mass immigration into Mumbai/Maharashtra. Since these immigrants cannot get to higher position in these states, they get into theft and other illegal activities causing further distancing between the communities, the lalus and Mulayams are squarely to blame for forcing there populace to this dismal state. The difference betwen politicians of the maharashtra or the productive southern states and BIMARU states is not corruption but efficiency. Both are corrupt but one is corrupt and inefficient.
RE:Root cause
by Tom on Mar 23, 2008 12:00 PM Permalink
You have failed to see the bigger picture. It's not Lalu, but the congress led central government. Lalu et al. are just product of the congress's anti-Bihari stand. The same congress who you guys adore in Maharashtra and other states.
RE:Root cause
by heramb gude on Mar 23, 2008 02:29 PM Permalink
For a change,I agree with u Tom.While Laloo is no saint and deserves severe punishment,it is the Congress which the Marathi manoos needs to reject in Maharashtra.The Congress-led UPA is shielding people like Laloo and also encouraging uncontrolled migration to Mahrashtra,Assam and other states from UP/BIhar so that it acts as a secure vote-bank for them to retain power.
RE:Root cause
by stav on Mar 23, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
congress led anti-bihari yes, but congress has been against every community in india, it is responsible for eliminating a whole generation of bengalis, it screwd the punjabis no end, it distanced the tamils, so why talk only about anti-bihari, all through they have been anti india. learn to see problems within yourself, there is a problem of culture in bihar and UP, see how women are treated in urban areas in your states, you will be able to get to your problem.
RE:Root cause
by Tom on Mar 23, 2008 04:41 PM Permalink
Don't talk about UP and Bihar culture. UP/Bihar was the cradle of Indian civilization. Hinduism, Budhhism, Jainism took birth and developed there. The Hindu culture, you have in Maharashtra, has its root in these states. Language is just one thing.
Bihar ditched the congress long back in the national interest. But Delhi, Himachal Pradesh, Maharashtra,Andhra Pradesh,Haryana,Goa and many more states are still ruled by congress led gov. Bihar has been neglected since British time. The Indian Rebellion of 1857 started in the Gangetic plain, mostly in Bihar ,eastern UP and central India. The people of this region suffered the most and they adopted anti-western stand. While the rest of India, including Bengal adopted English language , western knowledge and culture, the Hindi belt was opposed to anything western. After independence many of the Indian states saw the presence of sub-nationalism, which gave them a regional identity. While UP and Bihar till date has not regional identity. Sub-nationalism doesn't exists in these states and that makes them over look their regional interests.
RE:Root cause
by Allah on Mar 23, 2008 06:18 PM Permalink
What is the culture TODAY. Ancient india is different from modern india, the faster we realize this the better. Bihar has produced giants of wisdom in ancient india, it only produces Lallus today. Pakistan today is were Takshashila existed, but you what the situation is today. Dont take this as a personal attack. I am as much a Upite/Bihari as I am a Marathi or any other indo-ethinicity. UP/Bihar has a problem there is no doubt, denial will only postpone your introspection. Decay is always from the within. I gave you a simple hint about the status of women, Manu Smriti says a family which does not respect women, will be a family in poverty (both of knowledge and of wealth), the same holds true for a society as well as a nation. Hindi belt did produce many freedom fighter, but post independence you have produced nothing. Your opposition to English makes it clear that you are opposed to expanding your little circle and moreover hindi holds no more special position than any other regional language. Stop blaming parties and start looking at your homes (again dont take this personally).
RE:Root cause
by stav on Mar 23, 2008 06:20 PM Permalink
What is the culture TODAY. Ancient india is different from modern india, the faster we realize this the better. Bihar has produced giants of wisdom in ancient india, it only produces Lallus today. Pakistan today is were Takshashila existed, but you what the situation is today. Dont take this as a personal attack. I am as much a Upite/Bihari as I am a Marathi or any other indo-ethinicity. UP/Bihar has a problem there is no doubt, denial will only postpone your introspection. Decay is always from the within. I gave you a simple hint about the status of women, Manu Smriti says a family which does not respect women, will be a family in poverty (both of knowledge and of wealth), the same holds true for a society as well as a nation. Hindi belt did produce many freedom fighter, but post independence you have produced nothing. Your opposition to English makes it clear that you are opposed to expanding your little circle and moreover hindi holds no more special position than any other regional language. Stop blaming parties and start looking at your homes (again dont take this personally).
RE:Root cause
by Tom on Mar 23, 2008 08:46 PM Permalink
I don't think woman holds inferior status in Bihar. If a family is illiterate, it's both men and women. But, yes woman still don't inherit properties of their parents in most of the families. This keeps the dowry system alive. The main problem is castism. That brings racism in the society. People are not able to unite for any cause because of the existing caste loyalties. Their cause is narrow restricted to their caste. Bihar don't just produces Lalu. There are pools of highly qualified professionals working in India and abroad. Every 5th graduate from IIT is a Bihari. Bihari migrants working as skilled and unskilled workers in various parts of the country are very hard working and are law abiding citizens. Just a few great personalities don't makes a society. In recent times Dr. Naveen Chandra Ram Goolam (PM of Mauritius), Pratap Narain Radhakishun (ex-PM of Surinam), Vasudeo Pandey(ex-PM of Trinidad),Bhagat Jagdeo(President of Guyana)all are of Bihari origin.
RE:Root cause
by stav on Mar 23, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
Since you mention IIT's may I remind you the only time IIT-JEE papers have leaked has been in Bihar, i think this puts things in a nut shell. We live in a democracy and you have the right to choose your leaders, why is it so difficult to check ones house. Giving me a list of ex PM's who have a 5th generation bihari link will do no good to your house cleaning mechanism. Today Bihar is the cheap labour force, wether it is Mumbai or Bangalore, it is high time this scenario changes, and there are better ways to improve this than to keep blaming the congress.
RE:Root cause
by Tom on Mar 23, 2008 10:20 PM Permalink
Fright Equalization policy was introduced by the government to ensure same price of mineral resources in all the states. Bihar, a land locked states, lost its natural benefit. On the other hand, states with ports were the one which befitted twice - cheap raw materials as well as cheap transportation cost of finished products. This way, the expected industrialization of the state never happened. More over the flood in north Bihar, which never interests the central government, kept the people busy with the same old problem. Mean while lack of basic amenities, education .. kept them in the same old days.
What it means is.. even the locals in the land of minerals, will have to move to a city like Mumbai to start a business. Now if the industries starts in Maharashtra or TN the people from places like Bihar, will move there in search of work, as there is no new industries coming up at home. Small and medium scale industries in Bihar can't compete with their counter parts in other states like Gujarat, TN ..due to government's policies like Fright Equalization.
Most of the Indian states has many central university but Bihar doesn't have a single central university.
What are these if not anti-Bihar stands of the gov.?
Regarding cheap Bihari labour- One day if India will be able to compete with China, then it will be very much due to these cheap hardworking labours.
Population already in control for hindus. Muslims populations increasing left and right. Hindus are not responsible for Mus population. UP West has rich heritage and most advanced. At the same time UP east has more Mus, Dalit and they are still struggling due to Govt corruption. Same time, I want to add one thing like all indian states have some underdeveloped area like Vidha, Telanga, kuchh etc
RE:Truth
by udito xurjyo on Mar 23, 2008 04:33 PM Permalink
i don't think it is that muslim population is increasing left and right. just go through demograpky of UP. The ration is constant. If you know maths then you will negate your assumption.
Population already in control for hindus. Muslims populations increasing left and right. Hindus are not responsible for Mus population. UP West has rich heritage and most advanced. At the same time UP east has more Mus, Dalit and they are still struggling due to Govt corruption. Same time, I want to add one thing like all indian states have some underdeveloped area like Vidha, Telanga, kuchh etc
RE:Truth
by stav on Mar 23, 2008 11:02 AM Permalink
By the way Up/Biharis are the neo dalits of India, irrespective of which of your slum land UP/Bihar one comes from.
RE:Truth
by stav on Mar 23, 2008 10:59 AM Permalink
you mean Meerut is better than Kanpur !! UP is one of the most backward states in the world, this has nothing to do with religion or caste, it is to do with culture of the state. If West Up was so "advanced" you would find migration from east UP to west UP, instead of the entire UP to the rest of progressive India.
RE:Truth
by Eagle on Mar 24, 2008 07:25 AM Permalink
And who are the guys ruling your ass since independence? Check the whole Administration moron, Check the 20 Engineering institute & 6 from UP. Check the Agriculture contribution by these two states. Most of the Food products have export hold otherwise other states will be starving
Population already in control for hindus. Muslims populations increasing left and right. Hindus are not responsible for Mus population. UP West has rich heritage and most advanced. At the same time UP east has more Mus, Dalit and they are still struggling due to Govt corruption. Same time, I want to add one thing like all indian states have some underdeveloped area like Vidha, Telanga, kuchh etc
Most of people working for whites & force to adopt English for bread butter. and same time they have more passion for his lag & culture. I have not seen any regional lag come out with some revolution. The true Indian culture still presence with Only UP & Kerla. Other states always meddled with envaders.
RE:Truth
by Eagle on Mar 22, 2008 08:25 PM Permalink
Even after freedom, still working for American, UK and Europe. UP have 50% populations(Muslims & Dalit). These are the people ruling UP. most of the general cost working outside and ruling delhi. If you guys have rich lag and culture than you should grow without any hassale. You have problem in Malaya, Srilanka???? same time Biharies ruling in Maritus.
RE:Truth
by heramb gude on Mar 23, 2008 04:40 PM Permalink
What true Indian culture are you talking about?.Womens' education as a social movement was started and pursued zealously by Mahatma Phule and Maharshi Dhondo Keshav Karve.The fact that Indian women are educated today and are not anyway inferior to men is a fact that every Indian would acknowledge.An educated women takes initiative for educating the family and every such family forms human society.The 'true Indian culture' in UP where the father-in-law rapes his own daughter-in-law and the d-in-law is then asked to marry him is the real depiction of UP culture.Where AK-47s can be bought for Rs.300,where students batter to death teachers preventing use of unfair practices in Bijnor distict amply demonstrates the extent of criminalisation and moral degradation of UP.If this is what true Indian culture is,you feel that we Indians who are Indian citizens outside of UP/Bihar are certainly better off without such low-down culture.
Re: RE:Truth
by nagendra singh on Mar 10, 2010 11:58 AM Permalink
Dear it is stupidity to describe a state by 1 or 2 incidents.What role does our educated citizens playing in our country's benefit,blaming is easy but redirection is difficult.If suppose your family not able to educate you or you lives in a backward area,did your mind thinks the same ways as of now,never problem is not with people of a particular state,such incidents are happen in everywhere in India,if we thinks ourself as superior its because you born and grow in a better place and in good family.If everyone is born intelligent whats the use of school education.Who knows your future generations will follow american culture,then other people
For UP/Bihar people it is very difficult to understand why these Vidarbhi farmers commit suicide? Life is about living and not about giving up. If life is difficult, try to change it, instead of giving up on it. I saw a sad photo in a magazine recently where some people in a Vidarbhi village had put the sign: 'This village is for sale'. And the village indeed looked pathetic. On the one hand we have lavish builgings in Mumbai, on the other hand we have these suicide committing farmers of Vidarbha. And while all this is happening Sharad Pawar (the union minister for agriculture) is busy with cricketing matters. A classic example of Nero fiddles while the Rome burns. Actually, I have begun to feel sorry for the ghatteeland, and ask God for forgiveness for bashing them. But what could I have done? These people organized such large scale violence against UP/Bihar people in Nashik and other places. Earlier they used to practice genocide against the Muslims (remember this is the land of RSS, Hindu Maha Sabha, and Nathu Ram Godse). But, now they want to commit genocide against Hindus also. No wonder that Adolf Hitler is so popular in the ghatteeland.
RE:Why suicide?
by All Right on Mar 22, 2008 01:16 PM Permalink
Mr. UP Guy: Thanks for your attempts at journalism. There is no state called as ghatteeland in the Republic of India. Maybe you have come astray on this forum, whereas you wanted to go on to a Fiji forum? Just wondering.
RE:Why suicide?
by Manjula A on Mar 22, 2008 02:27 PM Permalink
I want to say something to Mr. U.P guy. Have you read this poem written by some rightwing german preist?
- When the Nazis came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews, I remained silent; I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out."
My question sir, is Did you speak up when people, not exactly of your clan were targeted?
RE:Why suicide?
by UP Guy on Mar 22, 2008 04:34 PM Permalink
I was always opposed to the communal violence which is practiced on a large scale against the Muslims of this country. However, I was not living in Maharashtra then and watched the horror from outside. Srikrisna commission and its non implementation and all those things... However, the list of enemies of ghattees keeps changing every year. Earlier it was against the South Indians, then Muslims, now it is UP/Bihar people, and tomorrow it will be someone else...
RE:Why suicide?
by heramb gude on Mar 22, 2008 07:29 PM Permalink
Life is about living,you say.Look at the abysmal condition in which ur UP/Biharis stay in the slums of Mumbai.If that is the way people want to live life and mock at the suicides of others,then continue enjoying life where 10 people crowd around in space where ideally one/two people stay and that too where,thousands of kms from their parents,wife and children.Oh the great and virtuos life that UP/Biharis lead that has made their states hell
RE:Why suicide?
by Ashish Kanekar on Mar 22, 2008 10:44 PM Permalink
There is no point talking to these people. They do not understand that the reason for the suicides is the shame among Maharashtrians about declaring bankruptcy. Living like animals without sanitation on footpaths is a condition they would accept rather than live in their own states.
They have screwed up their own states and now are "angry" that they are not allowed to screw up other states.
Their only two strong points are willingness to work at wages that only allow life as a subhuman(this leads to their own exploitation) and a large uncontrolled population growth that allows demographic warfare on more responsible states.
RE:Why suicide?
by heramb gude on Mar 23, 2008 11:30 AM Permalink
Agree with u,Ashish.But the message must go across to all our linguitic brothers that the real threat to India are the UP/Biharis and the threat now imminent in Maharashtra and Assam is going to spread its tentacles to all the remaining linguistic states of the country ranging from Punjab to Kerala and from Tamilnadu to West Bengal.
