RE:Shivaji was genuinely secular
by Jaffer Ali on Mar 13, 2008 12:47 AM Permalink
So what you call the killings happened in Gujarat, pregnant women raped, children as young as 6 months had their heads chopped, elders got killed mercilessly, unfortunately this has been done Hindus, what example they set now?
Also what evidence you have about our Prophet?? Don't speak without evidence.
RE:Shivaji was genuinely secular
by Ajay on Mar 13, 2008 01:11 AM Permalink
Sorry, Jaffer he is not talking about the great prophet but the commander who led Aurangzeb's military
RE:RE:Shivaji was genuinely secular
by italyseaayi on Mar 13, 2008 12:55 AM Permalink
Definitly he is ur prophet. We dont want him. Islamic jihadis are the demons of Modern world.
RE:Shivaji was genuinely secular
by vspi on Mar 13, 2008 01:06 AM Permalink
And what have u guys done everywhere in world? rape, loot, kill and plunder. bring abt death and destruction. History is proof that NO MUSLIM ARMY, FORCE, COUNTRY HAS EVER WON A STRUCTURED WAR IN THE PAST 200 YEARS. All you guys've managed is kill innocent, harmless, defenseless children, women and men folk. Thanks to modern day "jaichands" that exist in the form of "secularists" that you guy get away with murder. What America to did to Afganistan & subsequently Iraq is the only language you guys understand. The way a tiny chit of a country- Israel is screwing the "mighty- Oil-rich" arabs is testimony of the muslims' prowress. What happened in Gujurat is the backlash to 55 years of one-sided violence by anti-national elements unleashed on the docile-mind-your-own-business-Gujarati-community. But one thing is sure, after that there wont be any riots for the next 100 years in Gujurat.
I bet people will accuse Shivaji and marathas army as being hindu fanatics. But people willingly forget who save hinduism from comple wipe out in the North( also thanks to the Sikh army) and protected the South from muslim onslaught until the Bristish arrived. We don't make big bolltwood film about about these victories either. We donot honour the protector of our land, but we seems to hounour the destroyer of our land too often.
RE:Well said
by Kumar on Mar 13, 2008 12:41 AM Permalink
How about thanking in the Rajputs, the Vijaynagarams, the Jats, the Gurkhas and the Sikhs. Shivaji just fought in Maharashtra. The Sikhs protected Punjab, the Rajputs Rajasthan, UP and Bihar. The Jats Western UP and Haryana, the Vijainagaram the Hindu culture, the Nepalese Gurkhas Nepal and Terai, the Tibetians Tibet and Ladakh. Why are Maharastrain stealing credit when they were just another people who protected themselves?
RE:Modi praising Shivaji & Secularism
by Allah on Mar 13, 2008 01:13 AM Permalink
Last i heard of him was, that, he was planning on returning to earth again, but he has been saying this for the last 2000 years ! i really dont understand why he wants to go that place which is forsaken by us, you know these earthlings, the way they behaved with him last time :p
RE:Modi praising Shivaji & Secularism
by lord ram on Mar 13, 2008 01:28 AM Permalink
wishing him all the very best for his second coming.Sita's calling... its already late... catch up later, hope to meet u next time with jesus...take care...
RE:RE:Modi praising Shivaji & Secularism
by Allah on Mar 13, 2008 02:41 AM Permalink
ha ha running to your wife, if you want variety come to my heaven, allahs heaven, lots and lots of virgins ans some boys too. i promise first rate sex.
RE:Modi praising Shivaji & Secularism
by snpost on Mar 13, 2008 01:00 AM Permalink
Lord Ram will tell you to be careful of your Satan's prophet of hell.
Raj said he following the footprints of Shivaji? As per modi shivaji was secular. Does Raj is correct or shivaji was correct? I have a question to MR.Modi please let us know these people the meaning of secularism. Sivaji was protecting everybody(even Muslims) from the ill mentality people. People like raj and his sena people for the sake of vote tring to disturb the brotherhood in this nation. Please give them some lesson
RE:Great Speech!
by nik hil on Mar 13, 2008 12:20 AM Permalink
sayyad jee your people (islami terrorists) have assissinated so many of our brothers in india be it kashmir or be it mumbai with boms and what not... you do not get the right to speak anything about modi, when the first finger points at your people
RE:RE:Great Speech!
by italyseaayi on Mar 13, 2008 12:59 AM Permalink
So sayyads community from world needs to be eradicated except few good hearteds like Kalam...
RE:Great Speech!
by nik hil on Mar 13, 2008 12:54 AM Permalink
gandhi deserved death cause when he allowed the nation to break off, he let islamists stay back in our country....he deserved no better death...godse was a martyr if india was 100% hindu like pakistan is is 100% islamist today, tere would have been no communal riots in india gandhi deswerved death
RE:RE:Great Speech!
by Sriram Subramanian on Mar 13, 2008 07:53 AM Permalink
anyone who says godse was a 'martyr' is no better than an terrorist sympathiser who think that killing for political goals is tolerable.
RE:Great Speech!
by cilantroo on Mar 13, 2008 12:27 AM Permalink
I dont think you know History. Shiwaji built his kingdom to rescue Hindus from Vicious Muslim Rulers( may be a little verbose here Vicious muslim or just muslim?). Muslims by nature are not secular they created hell in India and thats why Shiwaji decided to have a Hindu Kingdom. If Muslims were not so arrogant and fanatic Hindutva would not have been surfaced. Its Muslims who should learn secularizm not Hindus.
RE:RE:Great Speech!
by rahul patil on Mar 13, 2008 12:38 AM Permalink
being maratha myself, I like to calrify one thing, Shivaji's army constituted of 30% muslims. It is a historical fact and no one can deny it. YES, he protect hindutva against the Moghul onslought and the muslims supported him.
Noone can deny this historical fact, not Bal Thackry, Nor Raj Thackrey, Nor Narendra Modi.
RE:Great Speech!
by Sriram Subramanian on Mar 13, 2008 07:51 AM Permalink
wow. talk about brainwashing.. shivaji built his 'hindu' kingdom to rescue hindus from vicious muslims! shivaji was probably one of the most secular local leaders India had, along with Akbar and Ashoka (except they united the country while shivaji's army pillaged the countryside)
RE:Great Speech!
by italyseaayi on Mar 13, 2008 12:58 AM Permalink
Sayyad wants to edit History of Shivaji and Maratha cause. Dont try Congress tactics. Everyone one knows what they do...
RE:Shivaji Vs Virappan
by Vikrant Shah on Mar 13, 2008 12:10 AM Permalink
This shows how little you know about Shivaji. Anyways, happy commenting on things you probably dont know! :)
RE:Shivaji Vs Virappan
by Roger Binny on Mar 13, 2008 12:21 AM Permalink
Vikrant,,,why do you waste your valuable insight on a insignificant "cockroche" like Darbar. He is a Jehadi muslim. And you know how it is with the muslims.
RE:Shivaji Vs Virappan
by Yatin Tamhane on Mar 13, 2008 12:20 AM Permalink
You don't even know the name of ruler properly. Please do not comment on someone whom you don't know about.
RE:Shivaji Vs Virappan
by Milind on Mar 13, 2008 12:19 AM Permalink
Kyo be ? Tu kya Auranzeb ka sautela hai puttar hai kya ? Teri kyo jal rahi hai ?
Shivaji used what is called Guerilla tactics (not sure of spelling) against a massive Mughal army and defeated it. During his capture of forts, he did not rape and plunder Muslim women like Mohammed did with non-muslims.
There is one story where his army commander tells Shivaji with pride that the wife of the muslim commander has been captured. Shivaji scolds the commander and asks the wife be returned with all respect. This is how we Hindus are taught role models. But it takes maturity in human evolution to understand such acts. Decendants of Barbaric and Wife-stealing Arabs will not understand this. Dont you get any inferiority complex from us ? We gave you Pakistan and Bangladesh. See what you did with it ! Muslims killing Muslims!
RE:Shivaji Vs Virappan
by Sachin on Mar 13, 2008 12:16 AM Permalink
to know the worth of shivaji's struggle you gotta born in maharashtra...Shivaji's vision and his mawlas protected the swabhiman of maharashtrians and improved the life of ordinary people of maharashtra.
At the same time kings of other states could not even protect their girls from muslim soldiers and beg at their feet for mullahs and protection...by conversion
RE:Shivaji Vs Virappan
by PKN on Mar 13, 2008 12:17 AM Permalink
We are free democrasy that is why we must allow a moron like you express his opinions on this forum. I am not a Marathi but I think that anyone who is stupid enough to compare Shavaji to Veerappan ( Note the spelling since even a notwit must spell write ) is a nitwit . What do you mean by 'Hindi people' the ones who were paying Jazia to Aurangazeb ? Finally dont club Rana Pratap with Tipu Sultan . One was a great Indian warrior who faught against invaders and the other was .... you know what. Go take a break , clear your mind and come back ! Otherwise you will serve warped logic like this.
