RE:Let come to the common point..
by JGN on Mar 03, 2008 03:32 PM Permalink
Mr.abhinav, Allah is the arabic name for god. I really pity the god/gods. The islamic god (or allah) can understand only Arabic, the hindu god/gods can understand only Sanskrit and the Christian god (or holy trinity) can understand only Latin!!!!!!!!!! Even a simple humanbeing like me can understand half-a-dozen languages.
RE:Let come to the common point..
by Muhammad on Mar 03, 2008 04:16 PM Permalink
abhi
even krishna asked of arjun to fight and kill his cousins, does that make him cruel.. if a non hindu was told abt it, he would think what kind of a cruel god was krishan, but tell him the entire context and he would say he was right.
so similarly do read the entire context of that verse
surah 8:12 was revealed after the incidents of battle of badr
during a battle in those days you would aim for the neck to get an immediate blow, and off course you would also aim for their fingers, once taking out their fingers the enemy would not be able to carry his sword hence you neutralize the enemy.
So there is nothing barbaric or mean about these verses, it is simply referring to a battle, and nothing barbaric was done in the battle neither these were how battles were fought back then.
RE:Let come to the common point..
by abhinav on Mar 03, 2008 04:32 PM Permalink
Muhammed.........the 'I' in the slated verse is 'GOD' himself........Alah is saying that he will do such things to kafirs.......
BTW krishna was prompting arjun to kill evil.......not because he followed some other religion (or god).....
RE:Let come to the common point..
by Muhammad on Mar 03, 2008 04:52 PM Permalink
dear abhi
same case here, allah was talking abt evil who happened to be of a diff religion, in the case of hindus it was the same religion..
if both these incidents r placed out of context which u think would sound worse, a god prompting someone to kill his own family or a god saying he will kill the enemy
RE:Let come to the common point..
by Muhammad on Mar 03, 2008 03:32 PM Permalink
ELOHIM" (or Elohay) is the first name for God found in the Bible
YHVH" is the Hebrew word that translates as "LORD".
YHVH comes from the Hebrew verb "to be" and is the special name that God revealed to Moses at the burning bush.
hindus call him BHAGWAN.....
sounds more like a language issue that which of these god's really exists
ur statement abt muslims not accepting if hindus call god as bhagwan, it goes for every religion who would prefer to call god by the name as taught to them in their religious books.
RE:RE:Let come to the common point..
by Muhammad on Mar 03, 2008 03:43 PM Permalink
hi abhinav
the quran makes no such statements abt killing someone who doesn't believe in him
the verses u probably read about were referring to those kafirs (non-muslims) who were waging a war against muslims during that era, quranic verses have to be read in the right context ..
and for the muslims who kill ppl who don't believe in allah, well i can't figure out what prompts them to be so cruel and sametime imagine that killing a non-muslim would guarantee him a place in heaven........highly ridiculous to believe that a religious book would approve of such an act, the world would have been doomed 1400yrs ago if all muslims believed that..
hope i was able to satisfy ur query wiht my limited knowledge
RE:RE:RE:Let come to the common point..
by abhinav on Mar 03, 2008 03:49 PM Permalink
hi Muhammed......even in war.......how can the GOD be so cruel that he suggests that he himslef will snap off the finger tips of unbelievers........
read this:
8:12 I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
Moreover Allah says of those who reject him. Because, Allah has already sentenced them to death.
well the world was doomed 1400 years ago.........when hindus and people of other religiong were forcefully converted.........women raped ...........rad about hindu persecution (wikipedia) and u will come to know the truth......
the killings due to islam are nothing short of a holocaust.....
RE:Let come to the common point..
by JGN on Mar 03, 2008 03:18 PM Permalink
The Brain, if there is one god, there can be any number of gods also. There are many countries on planet earth. Similarly there can be many parts to heaven/hell. The god/gods and/or their accredited agents may be waiting at the entrance of heaven/hell (some sort of no-man's land) to catch hold of the souls and push them into the heaven/hell.
RE:Let come to the common point..
by Muhammad on Mar 03, 2008 03:39 PM Permalink
if there is more than one god, i figure they too busy fighting amongst themselves to prove which one of them created the best religion..
no wonder they have no time for us considering the current scenario...
by the way i like the idea that it's not god's but aliens who visited earth and humans assumed them to be god since they came from the sky..:)
RE:RE:RE:RE:Paradise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Golden on Mar 03, 2008 03:19 PM Permalink
abe pagal hai kya? khichdi bana raha hai sab ki. purity pasand naheen aati kya? jo impure mein itna interest le raha hai.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Paradise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by The Brain on Mar 03, 2008 03:17 PM Permalink
so god can me mortal and can be created and desroyed as per you belive. God can take a form of human and born and than he is died.... GOD CANNOT DIE.... can't you realize this fact. God is immortal.
RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by Muhammad on Mar 03, 2008 03:56 PM Permalink
abhi
make up ur mind, if it's sanction given by god how can the prophet be a fake..
and gladiator is right, u need to study the religion to decide whether it's fake or not, not read from website which could be anti islamic propagand, cross check wiht a pro islamic website to confirm ur doubts
RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by abhinav on Mar 03, 2008 04:35 PM Permalink
Muhammed I said ...'given the sanction of God'.........meaning it was falsely given the sanction of god......(how can god sanction killing his own creation...??)
RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by Muhammad on Mar 03, 2008 04:57 PM Permalink
what u mean to say was he never had the sanction of god.....do u really believe that..how does a religion grow to be amongst the 2nd largest religion if ppl didn't believe the truth, it's as good as u believing the vedas cause u were born in a hindu household and were told to believe
again all these r matters of faith and not something either of us can come up wiht definitive proof..
i don't suppose u or me really have the time nor inclination to drop what we do in our professioan lives to lead a life in search of the truth..
RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by JGN on Mar 03, 2008 03:12 PM Permalink
You can understand that "Hindunism is nothing but a fabricated stories of mankind"............then why are failing to realize that "Islam" is Arab imperialism and that The Koran is a concoction of Mohammed to motivate his followers (with all those rewards in Paradise or Curel punishments in the Hell, etc??
RE:RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by The Brain on Mar 03, 2008 03:19 PM Permalink
so you belive that there is no paradise and hell.... so why is there earth?
RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by JGN on Mar 03, 2008 03:25 PM Permalink
Not only earth, there many stars, planets, satelites, etc in the universe but that has nothing to do with the concept of heaven/hell. There is no heaven/hell. The same existed in the fertile imaginations of surrealistic visionaries!!!!!!!!
RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by Gladiator on Mar 03, 2008 02:54 PM Permalink
You are from amongst the Mis-interpreters who come to a conclusion by reading a few lines here & there from the Holy scriptures.
According to Islam ...No Reward for anyone who has killed an Innocent.... The rewards are ofcourse for the True Martyrs who Eliminate Evil and Promote Good.... You are also amongst the confused lot, like the so called Jehadis.. who think Killing an Innocent is permitted in Islam... Shame on you Guys....
RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by Supersecualirist on Mar 03, 2008 03:12 PM Permalink
The islamic meaning of 'innocent' is one who is a believer, meaning a muslim. A non-believer (kafir) by default is evil and he should be eliminated. So killing innocent kafirs is not only permitted but also encouraged in Islam. In countries where Islam is in a minority, it is always claimed that killing an innocent is not permitted in Islam, till such time the minority muslims become a majority.
RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by Muhammad on Mar 03, 2008 03:57 PM Permalink
care to quote the quranic verses with which u can backup your claims
RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by JGN on Mar 03, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
Gladiator, proof of pudding is in eating. We all can see the activities of "the religion of peace" the world around, day in and day out. Still you have no shame is proclaiming the superiority of your religion!!!!!!!!!
Islam is Arab Imperialism. The Indian and Pakistani muslims are of the same ethnic group as that of other natives of these countries.
RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by Sultan on Mar 03, 2008 02:59 PM Permalink
Whenever a Hindu dies, on the way to his cremation, you say, .RAMA NAM SATYE HAY., .RAMA NAM SATYE HAY.. Did you ever ask yourself, which Ramais this? Is he the one according to Ramayana or who else? Is he be one with the above mentioned qualities? Even today people are killing each other to save his birth place without bothering the available historical and legal evidences. Be good to yourself and you be the judge without fooling yourself. .RAMA NAM SATYE HAY.!
RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by Sultan on Mar 03, 2008 03:00 PM Permalink
AYAPPA This God is very famous in South India. But unfortunately the story confirms tat both the father and the mother of this God were males. In other words they were HOMOSEXUALS. It will be a pity if the West learn this story. These Gods were the root cause of the dreaded disease .AIDS!
RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by PKN on Mar 03, 2008 04:37 PM Permalink
Sultan you are an idiot ! Dont waste your time trying to understand the sublime story of Lord Ayyappa . Answer this and try to get your tiny brain warking . Is Allah male or female ? Is God as mentioned by Christianity / Hinduism / Judism male or female ? You ( or others like you from Islam ) claim that God was not born and God will not die. Why is such a God then a man. Why is he not a women. You said Hindu Gods were Homosexual. Is your God Hetrosexual? Only a damned nitwit will think on these lines.
RE:RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by JGN on Mar 03, 2008 03:03 PM Permalink
Sultan, what about a gentleman, whose first wife was old enough to be his mother and the last one was young enough to be his grand daughter?????????
RE:RE:RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by Golden on Mar 03, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
there nothing wrong in this first of all. there context here is homosexuality and marrying opposite sex is very much natural and there is nothing wrong in this. second thing, what is wrong in marrying with so much age difference after all? if the spouses are mentaly and physically ready for marriage then why not marry? only a sick person like you will take it like the way you are taking. my suggestion to you is, leave your hatred aside and then talk and talk with reference. even if muslims accept the age difference marriage of their prophet, will you accept your god is a product of homosex? something not natural, not possible at all. it is another proof of this being only mythology not history.
RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by Supersecualirist on Mar 03, 2008 03:15 PM Permalink
What do you know about the available hostorical and legal evidences? Is not the 'secularists' siding with you in suppressing and destroying the evidences for the sake of your votes?
RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by abhinav on Mar 03, 2008 03:01 PM Permalink
did u ever ask ureself why did prophet mohammed marry a 6 yr old girl when he was 54........why did prophet married his own d-inlaw.......and abolished adoption to make it possible....???
RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by The Brain on Mar 03, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
9 years and not 6 years. It was the time when a child was considered a man at the age of 10 and women was considered a female at the age of 9.
Do you know what does your religion says about marriage?
As per hindunism, a male should marry a female 1/3rd of his age. Or should I write verses from your VEDA to prove it.
RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by The Brain on Mar 03, 2008 03:14 PM Permalink
oh... you talk about your vedas and arya samaj... Donot challenge man... i can prove you that it is cleary written in Vedas that a 30 years of male should marry a 12 year of lady,
RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by JGN on Mar 03, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
The Brain, no sane hindu will tell you that whatever has been written in the Vedas are gospel truth but the muslims always say that whatever has been written in The Koran is irrefutable revealation of an all powerful almight and cannot be changed.
The hindus have come out of 19th century. when will the muslims come out of 7th century Arabia?
RE:RE:islam is nothing but fascism.............given the sanction of god......by a false prophet........
by Golden on Mar 03, 2008 03:26 PM Permalink
okay, come forward and tell that vedas have faluts and there is no root of your so called hindu religion and all theproblem will be solved then. all those who look for guidance will take islam only option left with them. please come forward and claim that vedas might contain some mistakes.
The kafirs are indeed a jealous lot. They do not like the jihadis going to the Paradise. I really wonder why these kafirs cannot understand the fact even after watching numerous jihadis blowing themselves up "in the cause of Allah" for availing the rewards promised by Mohammad!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Kafirs are jealous
by Gladiator on Mar 03, 2008 02:52 PM Permalink
According to Islam ...No Reward for anyone who has killed an Innocent.... The rewards are ofcourse for the True Martyrs who Eliminate Evil and Promote Good.... JGN is also amongst the confused lot, like the so called Jehadis.. who think Killing an Innocent is permitted in Islam... Shame on you Guys....
RE:Congress hijrah govt.
by prem anand on Mar 03, 2008 06:06 PM Permalink
unless the congress(hijras)the communists(traitors),janata dal (s),lalu yadav,mulayam singh,deve gowda,maya wathi and all the secular jokers are eliminated from india,the muslims will have an upper hand in india,these rogues one fine day will definitely hand over our great country to either pakistan,china or saudi arabia and believe that day is not very far
RE:Saint Muslims
by JGN on Mar 03, 2008 02:23 PM Permalink
The Brain, heaven (or the Islamic Paradise) existed only in the fertile imagination of Mohammed. The poor fellow could think of wine, woman, water, fruits, etc even in the "Paradise" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Saint Muslims
by The Brain on Mar 03, 2008 03:07 PM Permalink
Heaven it not the imagination of Prophet Mohammed, it is as real as the earth on which you are leaving.
RE:Saint Muslims
by JGN on Mar 03, 2008 03:21 PM Permalink
Have you seen that? Or anybody has come back after death to tell the stories in the heaven? When will atleast educated persons like you stop believing in fairy tales??
RE:Saint Muslims
by saniya on Mar 03, 2008 01:52 PM Permalink
well said JaiHindJaiMaharashtra but no way they will go heaven bcz there bullahhhhh is in HELL
RE:Saint Muslims
by saniya on Mar 03, 2008 01:52 PM Permalink
well said JaiHindJaiMaharashtra but no way they will go heaven bcz there bullahhhhh is in HELL
all mislim have one agenda: one day whole world must become muslim. for this they form many organisation to serve muslim interest and promote muslim cultures. some of them act according to terrorisum to conver other faithfollower.actually I feel this relegion will distroy in next world war.
RE:basic fact
by Nitin jain on Mar 03, 2008 01:38 PM Permalink
muslim word mean follwers of dark forecess in practical life. quran is really a holly book but muslim does not pay attention of this book. they only use this book for their personnal interest. i never understant still now not a signal country of the world of muslim start reform for women. this relegion is most backward relegion in the world by grace of very few mollah.
RE:basic fact
by Frelancer on Mar 03, 2008 01:43 PM Permalink
Nitin jain The Hindu mentality is such, that it usually accepts anything without questioning its authenticity. The reason is that for several centuries the higher caste Brahmin has taught that the low caste indigenous Indian has no right to question any discrepancies in Hindu beliefs and mythology.
RE:basic fact
by Rationalist on Mar 03, 2008 02:02 PM Permalink
Dude,Brahmins have never forced anyone to believe their ideology like muslims. They have never claimed that they are messenger of God like your fraud prophet. They have never caused barbaric acts like muslim conqurers to spread their religion.It is only that if you are convinced you can accept. Otherwise leave it .Where is the question of not allowing to question?Do'nt speak like idiot.If possible first reform your incorriogible terror manual.You people are quoting only one face of Brahmins. There is another quote which says"brahmano bahujana priyaha" (Brahmin liked by many people)
RE:basic fact
by aditya reddy on Mar 03, 2008 02:02 PM Permalink
That is just like how the Arabs treat your bretheren from this part of the subcontinent in the UAE, Saudi, etc. Is that authentic ? are you able to question any discrepancies ? If you dare to question it, then I'm sure you are aware of the consequences. Please do not question hinduism as you do not know anything about it and kindly do not pass statements based on hearsay.
RE:basic fact
by aditya reddy on Mar 03, 2008 02:00 PM Permalink
That is just like how the Arabs treat your bretheren from this part of the subcontinent in the UAE, Saudi, etc. Is that authentic ? are you able to question any discrepancies ? If you dare to question it, then I'm sure you are aware of the consequences. Please do not question hinduism as you do not know anything about it and kindly do not pass statements based on hearsay.
RE:Osama Bin Laden is true Masiha of the world
by Nitin jain on Mar 03, 2008 01:41 PM Permalink
vrey soon you will see that this relegion will be vanish from the earth. i predict it. why? because sada dharm ki vijay hoti hai.
RE:Osama Bin Laden is true Masiha of the world
by Frelancer on Mar 03, 2008 01:48 PM Permalink
Abey Dhakkan Islame is going to supercede all the fake religion the first will be vanished that will be the Hinduism,,,,Islam will prevail you just wait n watch,,,,,,,,
RE:RE:Osama Bin Laden is true Masiha of the world
by JGN on Mar 03, 2008 02:26 PM Permalink
Frelancer, all the Arab muslim countries with their filthy oil wealth cannot control a small country of just 15 million population. And mind well, if anything happens to Israel they will eleminate muslims from Planet Earth!!!! Still you are dreaming of controlling 850 million Hindus in India!!!!!!!!!!!! What an irony!!!!!
