today Sharief and Zardari are together and are trying to fight Musharaf. after him they will start fighting.
who knows, if Musharaf can throw sharief out in '99, why can't he do the same. there is no change in his powers. still he is the 'king'. forget democracy, pakistan is used to military rules.
Son of fomer Army Dictator has rightly said ""Pakistan people are not yet ready for type democracy wanted by the world today." Pesent Pakistan leades are talking more of their personal revange than thatof streghthening hard earned demcracy under Musharrf regime.It is quite possible that Pakisan's democratic movement wll be hijacked by talibans hard liners.
Sharif%u2019s words are easier said than done. His plan has the logic of accountability but the result is highly debatable. Mush is no fool. His top man is the present Chief of Army staff, and not to forget he has a great deal of support form a lot of army officers and the ever present ISI, a point the present Chief of Staff cannot fail to ignore even if he wanted to. To %u2018bell the ISI%u2019 is only possible when the Army, Ruling Party, all Law Agencies and the Opposition are in unison, some thing most unlikely in Pakistan.
RE:Only time will tell.
by raman govindan on Mar 03, 2008 11:34 AM Permalink
if the army chief can kick the elected PM, and asurp the power, the PM is only a dummy. he will have no responsibility and he cannot take decision on his own. in democracies, the people elect, their leaders. the civil servants and armed forces are appointed to uphold the constitution and the govenment. if people do not like the policies and execution, they remove them from power in the election or in the floor of the parmiament by the opposition if it gains sufficient strength. Indira Gandhi swamped to power after the bangladesh war and again was defeated in 1977 following the excesses of emergency. the civil servants and armed forces just did their job what was expeted of them. nothing more or nothing less. the very fact that the army chief can dismiss him and his continuance or dismissal is at the pleasure of the army chief is not a healthy state. that should be decided first before any one assumes office as the elected PM or President.
RE:Only time will tell.
by raman govindan on Mar 03, 2008 11:34 AM Permalink
if the army chief can kick the elected PM, and asurp the power, the PM is only a dummy. he will have no responsibility and he cannot take decision on his own. in democracies, the people elect, their leaders. the civil servants and armed forces are appointed to uphold the constitution and the govenment. if people do not like the policies and execution, they remove them from power in the election or in the floor of the parmiament by the opposition if it gains sufficient strength. Indira Gandhi swamped to power after the bangladesh war and again was defeated in 1977 following the excesses of emergency. the civil servants and armed forces just did their job what was expeted of them. nothing more or nothing less. the very fact that the army chief can dismiss him and his continuance or dismissal is at the pleasure of the army chief is not a healthy state. that should be decided first before any one assumes office as the elected PM or President.
Every day 2 Hindus are killing in J&K, Stop Killing Hindus in Jammu & Kashmir, Stop Converting Hindus in INDIA, Lord Sree Krishna has say in Bhagavatha Geta like Save Dharmaa, Dharmaa Save you (Dharmaa mean Your Family, Work and Religion) So all Hindus has to follow Geta
RE:Every day 2 Hindus are killing in J&K, Stop Killing Hindus in Jammu & Kashmir
by ramesh pawar on Mar 03, 2008 11:34 AM Permalink
idiot ...who said everyday 2 hindus are getting killed ...stop spreading rumors ....i think your dreaming ...first of all there are very less hindus in J&K ...now muslims will start saying everyday 200 muslims are being killed in GUJARAT ...idiot ...
RE:Every day 2 Hindus are killing in J&K, Stop Killing Hindus in Jammu & Kashmir
by Readiff on Mar 03, 2008 01:48 PM Permalink
People like Ramesh Pawar cannot digest facts being a pseudo secularist. Even if a single muslim is killed media would have made ruckus as if 1000 were killed (like Ramesh was saying). Secularist morons are shame for this country.
RE:Every day 2 Hindus are killing in J&K, Stop Killing Hindus in Jammu & Kashmir
by Jitender chugh on Mar 03, 2008 01:40 PM Permalink
I agree with you. Every hindu must read Bhagwad Gita, this will help
who is going to dig the truth, ISI, CBI, CIA or scotland yard or Mr. Sharif himself but non of them is able to return a single innocent life lost in unwanted war
Mr. Sharif do'nt waste your time "Arms of Law" are short in any Islamic country, no any Islamic governance in the world is accountable at this moment. there is no concept of well define or guidelines in any of these countries constitution. the muslim world live in false price. Mr. Sharif him self know this very well, who is going to look into the cause, you have a single open minded, impartial, stalwart or logical person in the history of Pakistan tell?? you have vinoba bhave, you have baba amte, you have kiran bedi, who is going to dig the truth. all are behind the good food and luxury.
RE:For Kargil, Mush and Sarif are both sides of Same Coin
by Loan Shark on Mar 03, 2008 08:24 AM Permalink
That may not be true. We believe that Shariff started the war, but it may be that Musharaff forced him into the war. It has been reported earlier that Musharaff wanted to escalate the war even after Pakistani army was being defeated by the Indian forces. he wanted to open new fronts to distract and dilute the attention of Indian defence. Shariff disagreed.
Later Musharaff overthrew Shariff and sent him to exile. So, it is true that Musharaff and Shariff did not agree with each other. It is possible, that Shariff was not in favor of Kargil war but had no choice. who knows Musharaff may have openly threatened Shariff with a coup. Such things are not uncommon in Pak
RE:For Kargil, Mush and Sarif are both sides of Same Coin
by Golden on Mar 03, 2008 09:35 AM Permalink
apart form all these there another possibility that USA may have guided mush to do all his illegal acts. after all this bush-mush combination is running God knows since when. mush is equally partner in all the inhumanity shown by bush. they both should be tried and executed.
RE:For Kargil, Mush and Sarif are both sides of Same Coin
by Loan Shark on Mar 04, 2008 05:01 AM Permalink
LOL ... arrey moorakh, Bush was not the president of US, Clinton was. Clinton even summoned Shariff to White House and put his shaft in Shariff's rear, and Shariff was like ... "I am not your Monica, Bill" .... but no! Next thing ... you know, Shariff returns and asks forces to withdraw from Kargil, much to Musharaff's displeasure .... a few months later Shariff's gone in a coup.
It is simple, Musharraf will try to kill Nawaz Sharif. He was successfull in eliminating Madam Bhutto. I appreaciate Nawaz Sharif's determination. Sachha Punjab Da Puttar.
RE:Punjab Da Puttar - Sharif
by Nostra Damus on Mar 03, 2008 05:09 PM Permalink
hey maybe the punjab da puttars from both sides of the border should get together and form a punjabdaputtaristan ! should be a great relief for all other people of the two countries !!
RE:Punjab Da Puttar - Sharif
by Loan Shark on Mar 04, 2008 05:03 AM Permalink
Well, Laloo has proven that he is an able administrator ... it's Bihar that is hopeless.
RE:Punjab Da Puttar - Sharif
by Loan Shark on Mar 03, 2008 08:25 AM Permalink
I agree. Musharaff will definitely try to kill Shariff, and Shariff should try the same with Musharaff.
Nawaz Sharif and Zardari have won in their constituencies in a free election conducted by President Musharaf.
Why are the cribbing. Musharaf has reined in the Army and its appedages from rigging the result, as a consequence of which they are back on centrestage.
There must be some real convergence of interest of the three main players.
So why is Nawaz Sharif going to town against Musharaf ?
Looks like they do not want the Saudi's and other benefactors to stop their largesse. That largesse is possibly based on continuing conflict. Like they do not want the Iranian Pipeline into India or China ?
RE:Playacting by Musharaf, Nawaz Sharif and Zardari
by Ravinder Rana on Mar 03, 2008 03:05 AM Permalink
Your statement that Musharaf has reined in the army is a little out of context here. It is not Musharaf who has reined in the army, but the army of Pakistan which has reined in Musharaf now. If you have read the latest information on Pakistan in CNN, the new army chief, General Kayani has given instructions that no senior officers of the army can go and meet Musharaf without his express permission. Secondly, it seems that the orders for reversion of the army officers from the civilian posts have been given.
