You are really going bonkers to save this directionless govt.How else do you explain the coverage of such B grade politicians who created such a lawless state
For Indian politicians, the word 'secular' actually implies 'Pro-Muslim'.
I am reproducing a part of the interview here:
"A large section of Indian Muslims have voted for this government, considering it secular. And if they feel there is an undue influence of the US and its powerful Jewish lobby on this government and its foreign policy initiatives, why should the community not influence the foreign policy of a government it helped bring to power?"
Now, how does being pro-US or pro-Israeli automatically become anti-secular? US & Israel do not have anything with our politics. I agree that being pro-Israel can be termed as anti-Muslims. But, it does not equate to being pro-Hindu. So, in context of Indian demography being pro-Hindu can be called communal, if it was also anti-Muslim in that particular context. But, being pro-US has NOTHING to do with being secular or communal.
If the above quote, the word 'secular' was changed to pro-Muslim, it stands to logic. Not otherwise.
Therefore, it is obvious that except for NDA, rest of polity uses the word 'secular' when it wants to convey either 'pro-Muslim' or 'anti-Hindu'. In future, let us mentally replace the words appropriately, and then decipher the actual meaning of the pronouncements made by our politicians.
RE:For Indian politicians, the word 'secular' actually implies 'Pro-Muslim'
by deepak on Jul 01, 2008 01:48 AM Permalink
Actually Secular means 'anti Hindu' the flip side of which is overlooking Islamic jihad and being pro Islam. It doesnt matter Indian is been blown up piece by piece by Jihad. Very funny country India where cowardice is passed off as being prudent and wise. These guys do not know how to defend themselves, and cannot even bear others (US, Israel etc) when they take measures to protect themselves. India is full of people who ran away their partitioned regions and would run away from the rest if required. They would still have to prove to be morally superior by cowardice.
RE:For Indian politicians, the word 'secular' actually implies 'Pro-Muslim'
by suvrat mahajan on Jul 01, 2008 01:54 AM Permalink
That is true, the logic that Pro US is not secular does not wash. We must not pander to blind and irrational opposition to US without looking at our national interest.
RE:For Indian politicians, the word 'secular' actually implies 'Pro-Muslim'
by Sam on Jul 01, 2008 01:28 AM Permalink
you are right..whenever u use muslim, jew or an pro-religious term it clearly implies a communal tone.
if bjp are idiots to speak about pro some religion then anyone else who sepaks pro religion and uses it to justify democry is also communal. bjp is also part of the democratic movement. then how are they communal then?
this kind of idiotic reasoning by indian politicians is why india is/was in the gutter.
first understand the meaning of secularism before trying to garner votes...it has become meaningless.
secularism is not just freedom "of" religion but freedom "from" religion.
RE:For Indian politicians, the word 'secular' actually implies 'Pro-Muslim'
by Gopal on Jul 01, 2008 03:21 AM Permalink
Hi Madhu A good approach. We need a new definition for the word 'SECULAR'. Think deep!!
This is the sad state of affairs in India. Thanks to a multiparty democracy every minnion party becomes a giant voice. They only care about apeasing a minority electorate - The larger interest of the country be damned. I dont support BJP because they play the same game of apeasement but I want for the country's sake this govt. fall on it's face.
Mr Shahid,just dont talk nonsense.what do u mean by muslim votes.Think this deal is for entire india and not to satisfy muslims or others.Why do u promote relations with pakistan as they have been following anti india policies?im a muslim and i will vote for congress if it goes ahead with nuclear policy....
Does this guy belong to an Isreali or Palestini group? Nuclear deal is solely an aggrement between India and US. Aren't Indian muslim going to be benefited by this deal? Dont they use electricity?.......Raj Thackeray was right when he said that half of the politicians from UP/BIHAR are uneducated.
RE:WHY IS HE TALKING ABOUT ISREAL AND PALESTINE????
by Pramod Kumar on Jul 01, 2008 01:42 AM Permalink
Ya true and rest half from Maharastra including you from where ever.
RE:WHY IS HE TALKING ABOUT ISREAL AND PALESTINE????
by I Say on Jul 01, 2008 04:59 AM Permalink
arre sagle gappa basa :) guys these peeps are talking in marathi. trying to keep other embarrassments namely raj thakre and his crazy uncle out of this
RE:RE:WHY IS HE TALKING ABOUT ISREAL AND PALESTINE????
by dips dips on Jul 01, 2008 01:01 AM Permalink
are tumcha aalya patil/pawar jaun zopa sagle ghari yedzhavyano
This clown must know that national interests are the only thing that matter...not interests of Palestanian and Iraqi terrorists. The left and some parties seem to think that appeasement of Islamic fundamentalism equals secularism. Secularism is what France and Turkey follow when they disallow women to wear scarfs as that is demeaning to women.
RE:Traitor
by Guest on Jul 01, 2008 02:09 AM Permalink
Well said.
On the first part, point to be noted that the national interest matters to those who keep the nation before the religion. He says muslim votes would be lost, who the hell is he? BJP doesn't represent views of all Hindus of our country, and neither can this "Clown" represent views of all muslims of our great country.
RE:Traitor
by Money tvs on Jul 01, 2008 10:33 AM Permalink
Yes it empowers the women in the sense it gives them a chance to exercise their own will and not that of others. You should know what's meant by free will. It's hard to understand who don't have it
RE:Let's welcome the rule of Muslims
by Rainmaker on Jun 30, 2008 08:15 PM Permalink
I don't know what you are smoking. Wake up and don't mouth this gibberish. Good citizens and leaders of any community are good, if they work for India's good.
RE:Let's welcome the rule of Muslims
by Vijay A on Jun 30, 2008 08:39 PM Permalink
Sure golden future as they have in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Nigeria, Iran, Iraq... :)
RE:RE:Let's welcome the rule of Muslims
by americaisgreat on Jul 01, 2008 01:53 AM Permalink
We all know India is a gutter country thats why you hindus are flocking to middle east and europeans countries to get a better living.
These guys have not read the deal. It allows India to make purchases we are now denied, but does not force purchases from US. We will most probably make those purchases from France and Japan. In any case, who is this guy to speak on behalf of all Muslims in India? Does he mean that when it comes to Indian economic security and Ummah issues, they will favor the latter? This is what make people doubt their patriotism, and this guy should not stoke those suspicions.
RE:The deal does not force purchase from US
by Virgo on Jun 30, 2008 09:20 PM Permalink
Good points. I think Indian muslims should speak up against such stereotyping of Muslims. What this guy says about Muslims supporting the pan islamic causes over the national interests of their own country will definitely add fire to question of patriotism of Muslims.
RE:The deal does not force purchase from US
by americaisgreat on Jul 01, 2008 01:54 AM Permalink
can Hindus be anti-India and muslims be pro-india at anytime? I dont think so!!!
RE:The deal does not force purchase from US
by aman khan on Jul 01, 2008 03:30 AM Permalink
ur sick man.u even dont have guts to even type ur real name and then u suspect my patriotism.aree thakele i dont need a certificate of patriotism from u....
RE:The deal does not force purchase from US
by I Say on Jul 01, 2008 05:14 AM Permalink
President Abdul kalam and Mulayam Singh Yadav are just two examples to begin with for u. Patriots and Traitors abound in all communities. Amanbhai this americaisgreat dude is just another countryless sad NRI making a shitty living in small town USA. ignore him
