Buddhism enjoyed promotion from power until the end of the reign Harshavardhana (8th A.D.) when royal patronage ended. This marked the beginning of a decay that extended until the Muslim invasions in the 13th century. Although Hindu scholars attribute the progressive decay to the divergences between sects and the appearance of tantric deviated conducts in monasteries, Hinduism, and most particularly, Brahmanism (a strict social organization on the basis of some religious ideas) tried to dilute Buddhism by presenting it as a kind of Hinduism. Thus, from the 7th century Buddha was included in the list of Avataras of Vishnu. The Muslim invasions in the 13th century brought the destruction of Buddhist Universities and the killings of Buddhist monks. Again, it is common for Hindu scholars to put the full blame on Muslims, but it is also a fact that there was a certain connivance of the Brahmin class at the local levels of administration, where they retained their privileges, with the new Muslim rulers. Moreover, the formation of Buddhist monks was conducted through rigorous training and therefore, they were less easily replaced than Brahmin priests ready-made by birth. Many Buddhist lay worshipers were driven to Islam by persecution. Evidently, the tolerant spirit of the Ashoka reign had long passed away.
It is very difficult to trust muslims and Christians.. as their religion only support conversion by any means... Islam talks about the pleasure heaven trip while Pope IX says it is undisputed rights of the christian to convert.. Only hinduesm preach the co-existance of all religion.. that why Hinduesm given all world.. Sikhism, Budhisms, Jainism like great religion....
RE:Very difficult
by TruthCom on Jun 20, 2008 02:41 PM Permalink
ruthlessly..????? the same way christian missionaly lure poor tribal in india... muslim kills if you not convert to islam.. and maoists/communist kill all other oponent to proov their ideology...
RE:RE:RE:Very difficult
by TruthCom on Jun 20, 2008 03:11 PM Permalink
Nanchil... missionaries get most of the funding from outside indian(most of them are developed nation). Hindu oraganization thouse who are working for hindue get funds from india only.. not form outside India.. If we compare both have huge difference.. now in india people started thing about our poor fellow.... and sure the picture will change very soon... as far as the data provided you about 82%hindues and 72 % middle class and rich.. that is not correct figures Nanchil.. out of 82% hindues 50 % poor and farmers... get your figures right... as far evil practic followed by hinduesm is concerned that prevails in most of the ancient societies.. but Hinduesm is strongly oppose this pratice. Now saffron oragnization strated teaching vedas and prist training to backward as well as to the peoples who were said to be untouchables... but I want you to get suggestion from you to how to get my brother back to my home(Nanchil)
RE:Very difficult
by Nanchil on Jun 20, 2008 03:18 PM Permalink
" Hindu oraganization thouse who are working for hindue get funds from india only.. not form outside India" - BIG LIE. VHP is receiving millions of dollars from outside India. I do not find anything wrong in getting fund from outside for religious service for religion knows no boundaries like state,country,etc. You cannot get your brother back to your home, very old and outdated, and no one will like to go backward. But you may think in other angle. Probably you may change your mind.
RE:Very difficult
by TruthCom on Jun 20, 2008 02:55 PM Permalink
yes.. but they take a good price for that upliftment.(their religion)...if you know about the work done by Hindues. I request you to visit..Vanwashi kalya parishad and other hindu oragnzation sites.
RE:RE:Very difficult
by Nanchil on Jun 20, 2008 03:19 PM Permalink
Your work is very little compared to that of missionaries. Of the 82% hindus at least 70% of them must belong to middle class or rich. If you people helped poor our country would be a developed one now. What do you mean by their religion? When they were not allowed to enter temple, not allowed read vedas how do you claim that they were hindus.
RE:RE:Very difficult
by Nanchil on Jun 20, 2008 03:20 PM Permalink
Whether they lure or not, missionaries uplift the downtrodden. Had you saffrons thought about poor people India would not have been poor now. Only while blaming the service of missionaries you people remember poor people.
RE:RE:Very difficult
by Nanchil on Jun 20, 2008 03:23 PM Permalink
Whether they lure or not, missionaries uplift the downtrodden. Had you saffrons thought about poor people India would not have been poor now. Only while blaming the service of missionaries you people remember poor people.
RE:Very difficult
by Gautam Sinha on Jun 20, 2008 02:43 PM Permalink
Where did you get your history from? On the contrary "Hindu" kings "converted" to Buddhism and Jainism also and asimilated many of the teachings and ways into the Hindu way of life. YOu must be mistaking Hiduism for Islam which converted the Takshashila region ruthlessly and which sent invaders to wipe out Nalanda university, the greatest learning centers of Buddhism.
RE:Very difficult
by mmspm on Jun 20, 2008 02:59 PM Permalink
@ Nanchill
anything new you r introducing here ? just show me fightless place in the world.
same way before muslim invasion muslims had shia & sunni fights and still going on. For your kind information, even in Budhism different communities are there and they r also fighting.
Mr. History master, just shut ur crap and correct your facts before barking anything here
RE:Very difficult
by mmspm on Jun 20, 2008 03:07 PM Permalink
@ Nanchill
non sense barking dogs always deserve such treatment. Dont worry, just get it on.
Hmm yes, dont ever in your life use the work 'decense' again. Just spare that word to hold its dignity. That word doesnt suits to fit your mouth. Your illogical, nonsense & baseless posts prove that
RE:RE:Very difficult
by Nanchil on Jun 20, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
I always like decent discussion. If you are habituated to street fights like dogs I am not ready.
many were also saved and patronised by the hindu kings and many hindu kings also converted to buddhism. look at the complete picture and dont mntion stuff u like and ignore stuff u dont like. And by the way instead of just beleiving what they say to u in church, travel throught india and see how rss provides education to many poor children. I HAVE SEEN IT AND AM TALKING TO YOU.
RE:RE:Very difficult
by TruthCom on Jun 20, 2008 03:21 PM Permalink
OK Nanchil. how much you have been paid for this propoganda...? by missionaris or commies.....The person who lost his religion can go to any extent....
RE:RE:Very difficult
by Nanchil on Jun 20, 2008 03:25 PM Permalink
How much are you paid for your propaganda? The person still sumerging in the dirty pond of myths and superstitions can go to any extent.
RE:Very difficult
by Gautam Sinha on Jun 20, 2008 02:54 PM Permalink
Mindless fights for power need not be given a religious colouring. As you mention sects of Hinduism were also fighting against each other, clearly showing that this is not religion vs religion but that of power. In any case if these were genocides as your tones suggest, then I have news for you, Buddhism lasted out such genocides pretty well. Buddhism's strict ways of Hinayana Buddhism of destruction of self were too austere to be followed so Mahayana Buddhism came up which was more pluggable with local cultures to whereevr it spread. Thus we do not see a very distinctive Buddhist orthodox culture in most places but Buddhism lives nevertheless.
RE:RE:Very difficult
by Nanchil on Jun 20, 2008 03:19 PM Permalink
cannot convince non-converted idiot like you as well. You are brainwashed by saffrons but once you get back your commonsense, I hope, you will find out the truth.
RE:RE:Very difficult
by TruthCom on Jun 20, 2008 03:02 PM Permalink
I agree with you Gautam but you can not convince Converted Idiot. He is brainwashed by some missionaris or communist and now they are using him against us(his own brothers). but he has sold his dignity to vatican or Ideology of Marx. Still his brothers and sisters waiting for him to come back..to return........... God elighen us and him.....
RE:RE:Very difficult
by Guest on Jun 20, 2008 03:54 PM Permalink
Nanchil (Looks like a DK inspired name), Firstly - When u say 70% of Hindus are rich/middle class, U are lying fiercely. In a India of 35% middle class and 26% poverty (which you must be aware of), 70% of Hindus can neither be rich nor belong to middle class.There is a very big % of poor Hindus..i am not sure of the actual number for this but the absolute numbers of poor hindus must be far bigger than the same for Muslims & Christians in India. Otherwise - there is no motivation 4 money flush 'Jesus 4 money' missionaries to hit the road to shamelessly convert Tsunami victims in TN/AP/Kerala.
Give precise information rather than just insinuating 'Saivites, Vaishnavites etc' fought fiercely.
Have you ever seen Vaishnavites / Saivites / Jains / Buddhists bombing, clashing among themselves-like how Sunnis and Shias clash in India (lucknow), Pak, Iraq or like how Ahmeddiyas are vehemently opposed (attacked violently) by Sunnis & other Muslims in Pak & Indonesia.
Pope the bigot - for whom any non-Christian is a pagan/heathen destined for the so called hell' recently stated that 'Protestants' cannot have churches & Catholics are true christians.
Certain castes of Hindus / Christians (atleast in TN) discriminate against the Dalits irrespective of their religion and it is wrong. I havent seen/heard of these among Indian Muslims...but there does exist an undeniable class based division among them.
RSS/VHP- like all similar religious orgs have their positives & -ves.
RE:RE:Very difficult
by Nanchil on Jun 20, 2008 03:19 PM Permalink
You did not read history before muslim invasion. There were fierce fightings among saivaites, vaishnavites,buddhists and jains. Many buddhists and jains were killed by so-called hindu kings.
RE:RSS does not believe in bomb culture
by Gautam Sinha on Jun 20, 2008 02:44 PM Permalink
Rumors and propaganda are evergreen weapons not outdated. Get your facts right
RE:RSS does not believe in bomb culture
by Gautam Sinha on Jun 20, 2008 02:47 PM Permalink
Rumors and false propaganda are evergreen weapons, not outdated weapons, get your facts right.
RE:RSS does not believe in bomb culture
by Nanchil on Jun 20, 2008 02:50 PM Permalink
False propaganda is done only by saffrons. By creating panic they survive.
RE:RSS does not believe in bomb culture
by Gautam Sinha on Jun 20, 2008 02:57 PM Permalink
False propaganda is pretty much a weapon by every political force. It comes in many forms including selective potrayal of truth. It is not restricted to RSS only
RE:RSS does not believe in bomb culture
by MP Raju on Jun 20, 2008 03:48 PM Permalink
That is again a false propaganda by missionaries and relayed by the kinds of Nanchils.
RE:RSS does not believe in bomb culture
by TruthCom on Jun 20, 2008 02:44 PM Permalink
in the same way.. communist in india loving to stick to outdated communism all over the world(except China)
satyarthi bombs are mostly including jaipurblast are planted by gondaas of sangh parivar.they r the only beneficiary of this game.they use this opportunity to spread their venom of hatred against muslims.their agents in police rob the innocent poors.there is no bangladeshi in india indian muslim bengalis are terrorized&robbed using this lie as stick.
RE:269000 died
by suresh roy on Jun 20, 2008 03:05 PM Permalink
Shut up tajender, you seem to have only one agenda on your mails, PUKING VENOM ON HINDUS & THE HINDU ORGANISATIONS, just grow up & see that your Khasla is preserved. The Katelaas are out to screw the hell out of you guys.
Remember you are living in a nation that is tolerant cause its a Hindu nation (secularism is a bullshit word used by the commies & the congress). Had you been living in a Muslim country like Bangladesh, pakistan or any where in the Middle East or for that matter in any Muslim nation, you would have been hounded by THE POLICE & would be rotting in one of their infamous jails for life. Even the National Human Rights group from India would not be able to bail you out.
