As long as the center government headed by this spineless Congresswallas are there, terrorism will be on rise. Immediately reintroduce POTA OR TADA, Hang Afzal guru, stop minority appeasement, then only people of this country will be safe. Otherwise butchering and slaughtering of innocent civilians in the temples, temple festivals, railway stations, chat centres,marketplaces will continue.At least now let the government open its eyes.
RE:costly mistake ?
by Pritish Nagaraj on Jun 18, 2008 02:44 AM Permalink
sounded same to me when I read the heading ...as far as I follow, Vicky nanjappa is not like deshdrohi Sheela Bhatt .. so I guess its just bad english rather.
RE:Beware!!!
by Virgo on Jun 18, 2008 02:40 AM Permalink
Let's not engage in an Islam bashing session here. We all already know the intolerant teachings in Islam that fuels these terrorists. No need to elaborate. We also need to realize that there are many good Indian muslims. While I do feel that these good ones are not actively speaking up and helping to eliminate the terrorists in their community, we have to be careful not to disrespect their belief system. We can debate these issues at an intellectually honest level.
RE:Beware!!!
by Anand on Jun 18, 2008 02:48 AM Permalink
There is no good muslim or bad muslim. All terrorists are muslims and all the muslims swore to quran which preaches bloodshed and intolerance towards other religions. We should look at whole muslim community with suspicion.It is quite natural.Do not teach philosophy.Philosophy won't work in real life.
RE:Beware!!!
by Virgo on Jun 18, 2008 02:57 AM Permalink
I agree that Islamic teachings do cast a question on the Muslim community. However, not all muslims want to kill all the kafirs. Yes most terrorists are muslims, but not all muslims are terrorists.
RE:Beware!!!
by SHAIK AFZAL on Jun 18, 2008 04:24 PM Permalink
SAALE ANAND WILL U PROVE ME A SINGLE VERSE OF THE HOLY QURAN GOING AGAINST HUMANITY THEN I AM SWEARING I WILL QUIT ISLAM. WHERE AS I CAN DISAPROVE YOUR IDEOLOGIES OF HINDUS IN A MOMENT WITH HAVING A VALID REFERNCES.LOOK IF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOLY QURAN BE AS IGNORANT DON'T BE INTELECTUAL AS IF YOU HAD ACQUIRED ALMIGHTY. IAM AGAIN CHALLENGING YOU FIRMLY FOR YOUR DIRECTIONLESS STATEMENT OR ELSE WITHDRAW IT ASAP.
RE:Beware!!!
by hithard on Jun 18, 2008 02:59 AM Permalink
Abe Sale bandar ke poojari, dont u have any other job other than bashing muslims and islam. There are some sensible people talking and u bring your RSS nose here trying to create communal difference. You RSS dogs will never understand, u just know the word of violence. These so called muslim guys instead of targetng innocent people should target guys like u or organization behind u. Then the world will be safe.
RE:Beware!!!
by sridhar gorantla on Jun 18, 2008 02:44 AM Permalink
It is not hte teachings i the Holy Quran, but really the wrong interpretation of what is told in Holy Quran is what makes many muslims, lot cruel than the animals. The racist mentality of the Saudi version of Holy Quran is what makes them terrorists and worst than animals, who have no respect for Humanity at all.
RE:Beware!!!
by Global Hindu on Jun 18, 2008 02:57 AM Permalink
People fail to understan that the root cause is Quran. The goal of Islamic terrorism is islamization. Not calling it Islamic terrism is a great mistake and great dishonesty.
RE:RE:Beware!!!
by sridhar gorantla on Jun 18, 2008 02:50 AM Permalink
If they truly interpret Holy Quran with the wisdom and Intuition, they will find that Holy Quran is not teaching anything different than Holy Bhagavad Geetha. The fighting that is told in Geetha and the Quran, both are indicating the fight one has to carry against the bad, evil, selfishness etc qualities within oneself, and not to kill others externally. once a person is victorious and gain complete control over ones own body, mind, will power, including the breathing, then, the person truly finds self free from the bondages of the nature and then finds GOD truly. All other interpretations of the Holy books are adulterated interpretations and are modified by the preachers of selfish motives. If you are truly dearer to GOD, why on the earth you end up carrying a weapon in your hands? Can't the omnipotent and omnipresent and all knowing GOD protect you? The reason why you take weapon in your hands is because, you are brainwashed and also you donot truly believe in GOD or ALLAH and hence donot have trust in GOD or ALLAH. Hence you take weapon against others. Look at Mahatma Gandhi. His life tells a lot about the value of having belief in GOD by way of self experience of WHAT IS GOD, rather than believing GOD by a mere reading of books or listening to preachers speeches.
RE:Beware!!!
by Pritish Nagaraj on Jun 18, 2008 02:56 AM Permalink
Sridhar .. do not compare these texts .. you might compare on case by case .. but ...there is a sea diff... Q is of lkg std...and BG is double PhD... conceptwise.
RE:Beware!!!
by Virgo on Jun 18, 2008 02:55 AM Permalink
Sridhar, you seem to be very ignorant of either the teachings of the Geeta or Quran. You must do research before you speak nonsense. Go to faithfreedom dot org and do a research. Then come back and tell us if the problem is just all interpretation.
I think you are a Muslim basher...why should one go to faithfreedom like website which is being created by hindu terrorists to instigate against Islam....Rather why dont you ask others to read Quran and Gita directly...Why to refer to these muslim basher hate monger websites...Thats where u all r having no knowledge about muslims as well as ur own relegeon...Do direct search from Gita and Quran...why to a third party...its simply another propaganda against Islam
The sooner people realize the nature of this cult, the better it will be for the country. But we have a huge obstacle in islamic congress party whose vote bank is made up of SIMI cadre.
RE:Its not too late yet
by Rajendra Rao on Jun 18, 2008 03:09 AM Permalink
Sorry to say this- it will not happen. Even in USA, crores of mooslems are now coming to settle down.Mooslems are such lazy camel asses, they invade other, developed country to piss on. Forget about India- Mooslems will be majority in few years.
RE:Wahj
by Rajendra Rao on Jun 18, 2008 03:06 AM Permalink
Who knows what he was. One thing is for sure, he invented a cult to have lots of S..e..x (I spaced it so Rediff morons do not delete for abuse). How many people did he kill, and then have s...e...x. with their wives? Numerous.
Is the most AMAZING discussion in the simplest of terms that we could ever have! Dear Wahaj, you've beautifully portrayed how Islam is followed by its followers - you're all absolutely closed to any concepts other than what YOU THINK is right. And you'll do anything to bring others who follow their own way to "your line".
Drax - way to go dude! Wow! You explained the concept of Dad so beautifully! Congrats buddy! You're well on the way! :) I wish there were more people like you. Then this mass oppression called Islam would go away.
RE:Discussio b/w Wahaj and Drax
by Pritish Nagaraj on Jun 18, 2008 02:34 AM Permalink
you bet .. typical fa...cs... they just cant digest that there can be any other angle of thought ! .. doobenge ... its just a matter of time !
RE:Discussio b/w Wahaj and Drax
by Vijay B on Jun 18, 2008 02:37 AM Permalink
Kaise doobenge Pritish?? They're all over the place! They multiply like there is no tomorrow! Each man has 4 wives and 16 kids.. except some decent families in cities. 50% of our cities' population and alarmingly, more than 40% of almost every village in India is now Muslim. The Congress suppressed this fact in the census!!! The worst form of state sponsored terrorism!
RE:Discussio b/w Wahaj and Drax
by Global Hindu on Jun 18, 2008 02:54 AM Permalink
Let us be optimistic. Never in the history, we talked againts Islam. Now it is happening everywhere. Everyone is aware of Islam now. In developing countries, people are leaving Islam Hinduism and other religions. Indonesia is seeing a great Hindu revivalism. It is a matter of time. There should be a great effort from Hindus to deprogram Islam from the minds of muslims. No violence here . Pure spirituality and discussions. Exposing the violent history of Islam. Explaining that how they were possibly converted by force or by heavy taxes. We believe in humanity and it will survive.
Hindus should not sit idle dealing with Islam. There has to be a great effort to eradicate Islam the evil from India and then from the world before it exterminates Humanity.
RE:Discussio b/w Wahaj and Drax
by Practicalman on Jun 18, 2008 04:51 AM Permalink
Truth always prevails and always faces obstacles from all sides. Like Islam is facing ...from hindus, Christians, jews...and non believers...cause this is truth and truth is very hurting...Ppl r converting to Islam not for money as in Christianism, enjoyment like in Hinduism, ruling the world as in Judaism and so on....Still most of the westerners and great educated masses are converting to Islam due to its real essence which is absent in other relegeons...Beleive it or not...but thats the truth....And FYI Mohammed is the person who has been refered in all the relegeous scriptures...in hindu scriptures the name Muhammed itself has been mentioned...still hindus dont believe...in fact they dont read their own scriptures ...they read these faithfreedom....as thios is their holy scripture....Pity on you
RE:Discussio b/w Wahaj and Drax
by ss gpal on Jun 19, 2008 02:49 PM Permalink
Hhahaha Mohammad's name is in hindu scriptures??? Let us see how thie zakir naiks teaching is working wonders in the miniscule minds of moslems. Sun sets in a muddy pond. Ah thats also a scientific fact mentioned in qran zulqrnain A large muddy pond near mekka where sun gos for a rest in the evening after a hard day's work, under the throne of allah in the middle of this pond. This statement in qran , is stoopid in which ever way you look at it.The greated stupidity is beleiev in this and kil for the sake of it.
RE:Discussio b/w Wahaj and Drax
by Pritish Nagaraj on Jun 18, 2008 03:15 AM Permalink
true .. we see more and more are waking up to this 'peaceful' religion .. soon it will be a cult of retards.
I am sick of these religions. The only logic they use is like Mohammad was clear", "Bible was clear". Who cares these books? I dont wonder why Alice went to the wonderland?
Today, if say it clearly , that the sky is a big cinema screen and god is playing a blue sky movie, whill people believe? I am saying it clearly though.
I am not against believing but against getting the entire logic from the books. Science makes no sense to them beacuse they draw their logic from the book.
Extra ordinary claims should be backed by extra ordinary proofs. If there are no extra ordinary proofs, no way one can say that they have the truth.
Is GOD very insecure and doubtful that he doesnt like his people to worship other GODs? The mention of other GODS in the book clearly indicates the faudulant nature of the book.
People go to any extent to belive that the books is from GOD. Since it is from GOD, every garbage from the books makes sense. Stoning rebellous kids to death makes sense. Blowing themselves makes sense . Perfect garbage.
Faith is different from facts. You cannot take faith to another person and say that my faith is better than your faith. It is like saying my love towards my kids is superior to your love towards your kids. Faith is an expression and is personal. None should fool around with faith.
Islam is pure Arab imperialism and non-arab muslims are slaves of that ideology.
But the moment the person realizes or re-remembers that this is just a movie, then, the person selectively enjoys the movie scenes and is not forced to be affected by the unwanted scenes. Similar is the world. The more a person lets self fall to the pull of the senses, the more the person is binded to the nature and environment, but the more the person realizes that self is above own body or mind or even will power, to that extent the person gets freed from the nature and its environment. If the person realizes even more further above the soul level, then to that extent the person gets free from the external aspects of the creation, and rises above the illusion of the creation, which again is nothing but the ALL PERVADING GOD's power that ultimately is responsible for the drama of the creation.
RE:I am sick of abrahamic religions
by sridhar gorantla on Jun 18, 2008 02:39 AM Permalink
4.Soul counciousness or realization that self is an ever existing entity. Perceiving the world & acting in the world with this counciousness is higher state than that of previous 3 states.It is in this state,that the person sees self as an ever existing entity & not subjected to the cycle of life and death & is not vulnerable to the material & mind level limiting aspects of the creation like indestructibility by materials etc.This state is more powerful than any individual qualities an individual may have possessed. When a person regains access to this state, even for a split second will be able to start perceiving the next states, that are above the individuality & leading to universalness.
5.When an individual realizes self as a speck of counciousness or Soul after coming out of the outer sheaths(steps 1,2&3) of illusion, then the individual starts perceving that self is not alone in this creation,but starts identifying the existing of an unknown power,A POWER THAT IS MUCH BEYOND THE GRASPING power of the self.This is the initial stage of knowing the universalness.Sometimes,when we have developed an affection towards someone,then we would have a realization that there is no difference between that person and self. This means,a persons counciousness or the sphere of awareness or influence (perception or action) is beyond the individual body or mind or will power.This is the starting point towards realizing or regaining the universal counciousness.
RE:I am sick of abrahamic religions
by sridhar gorantla on Jun 18, 2008 02:40 AM Permalink
6.In the intermediate stages of realization of the universalness, the individual perceives that he/she is actually part and parcel of the universalness.
7.In the final stage of enlightment, the person has no individuality at all, and is fully in tune with the universal counciousness irrespective of time and is Omnipotent and omnipresent. This is the state of GOD or referred to as GOD in various scriptures by the saints of all religions across the world who had realized what is GOD.
Most probably, there is a possibility of a person getting access to the highers states of realization, for a brief periods of time, including getting access to the highest universal counciousness either intentionally or unintentionally, but those who can go into and retain the higher states at their will are the really enlightened ones. A simple example of the above phenomenon is the example of a person watching a movie. When the persons counciousness is fully involved in the movie via the bodily senses and the sense of Mind, the person is tuned to the moods of the movie. When a sad scene comes, the person becomes sad, and when a happier moment comes, the person becomes happy and so on. As long as the person forgets that self is different from the movie and lets the movie(which is nothing but a combination of lighter and darker shades of light) illude, due to self imposed restrition to the movie, the person is tuned by the movie.
RE:I am sick of abrahamic religions
by sridhar gorantla on Jun 18, 2008 02:39 AM Permalink
WHAT IS GOD:
Every individual, in the process of regaining the lost universal counciousness state or the STATE OF GOD or ALL PERVADING DIVINITY, will go through the following stages. The reason why its a regaining of divine state, is because this is what the ORIGINAL state is for every individual, the state of infinite hapiness and bliss and that of universal counciousness, of omnipotence and omnipresence. For some reasons, individual SOULS or specks of counciousnesses self-impose the individuality and limitedness under the influence of EGO (or the "I" feeling):
STAGES: Body Counciousness-to-MindCounciousness-to-WillPowerCounciousness-to-SoulCounciousness(or realization of self as nothing but a speck of counciousness)-to-Seeing/Identifying Existing Of UniversalCounciousness OR UniversalPower-to-RealizingSelfAsPartOfUniversalCounciousness-to-Final Realization of self as all pervading UNIVERSAL COUNCIOUSNESS with onmipresence,omnipotence & existing with in the creation & beyond creation.
THE ATTITUDE OF A PERSON CHANGES AS THE PERSONS LEVEL OF ENLIGHTMENT CHANGES FROM ONE STAGE TO OTHER STAGE.
1.Body counciousness or the realization that self is the body (or mere senses). Perceiving the world and acting in the world with this counciousness is the lowest that any one can fall to.
RE:worst is yet to come
by Partha Choudhury on Jun 18, 2008 02:02 AM Permalink
So you mean to say that if they do not get through to IIT, they wouldn't turn terrorists? That's the best joke I have heard in years!
RE:RE:worst is yet to come
by DS on Jun 18, 2008 02:35 AM Permalink
Also, I think the candidates went through by minority Quota..coutesy Nag -Arjun Singh..I wont be amused..:-) if that is true..I have grown up seeing these M kids as thugs and pocket maars..hey cant do anything and those that study make bombs in the Uk and australia..
RE:worst is yet to come
by Pradip Parekh on Jun 18, 2008 04:33 AM Permalink
the only choice the hindus may have is to pick between smart terrorists and dumb terrorists. which one would you rather have?
Qualtum physics reveals that the observer in us creates the reality we see around.
This observer (brahman) is there in animals, and every possibl creature in the universe.
Abrahamic religions cannot explain the outside creator. The universe is endless (from a logical point of view) and there can not be outside creator as that ouside has to be created first. There cannot be inside creator It is like creating a chair sitting on it.
The only alternative is that what we see around has the creative and distructive forces in it. We call it GOD . He is everywhere in the universe, from rock to animal.
Abrahamic religions success lies in branwashing people.
RE:RE:Quantum physics and Universla conscisouness
by Global Hindu on Jun 18, 2008 01:19 AM Permalink
If he is beyond comprehension, we will never be able to get to know him . YOur statement makes a profet a fraud.
RE:RE:RE:Quantum physics and Universla conscisouness
by Wahaj Faridy on Jun 18, 2008 01:25 AM Permalink
My prophet clearly tells we can only understand part of him...He is much more vast than we can comprehend.
He revealed Himself to us thru Him only to extent we can understand.
This understanding will start to grow more in next life in paradise.
But limited knowledge given is enough to distinguish between GOD and non-Gods
RE:Quantum physics and Universla conscisouness
by Global Hindu on Jun 18, 2008 01:53 AM Permalink
He is lying. He is a fraud for sure. He says he is beyond comprehension and the next moment hs is saying that he comprehended and you believe it so much that you derive all your logic from his blabbering.
RE:Quantum physics and Universla conscisouness
by Pritish Nagaraj on Jun 18, 2008 02:24 AM Permalink
I feel pity for you sort of guys, I'm not telling anything abt ur or my religion, coz thats quite personal to the individual. I cannot comment whether Islam is good or bad, but you know one monkey is enough to spoil the peace of a big forest... and you have so many of them. The monkeys do their business and escape and some innocents have to bear the brunt. ..the backlash from the victims of those monkeys belonging to your community.
I think you guys are the one who need to take more responsibility in taming those monkeys .. if you want to live in India then you have some responsibilities towards the motherland .. ofcourse if you think IT IS SO. ..until then you will see a lot of backlash.... wake up fellas !
RE:Quantum physics and Universla conscisouness
by Pritish Nagaraj on Jun 18, 2008 02:37 AM Permalink
Well I think I should take my words back ... I did not read your arguement with drax completely ...i dont see you fit very good in that category... ofcourse there are good muslims and whatever I said was for them.
RE:Quantum physics and Universla conscisouness
by Rajendra Rao on Jun 18, 2008 03:02 AM Permalink
What a bunch of C...R...A....P. Let us face it- God of the Universe so vast, so powerful, has to find an idiot who took 23 years to write a stupid book.Only people with an IQ of 10 believe in islam. Get these mooslems kicked out of India for good.
RE:Quantum physics and Universla conscisouness
by Vijay B on Jun 18, 2008 02:40 AM Permalink
"Best for you will be to not try Explain what is beyond human comprehension. "
That is EXACTLY what we are trying to tell you you knuckle head. You are saying that you have SEEN your DAD, you KNOW that your DAD is BETTER than MY DAD!!
PATHETIC being you are! Your existence is of negative worth! You have no way to reach God for sure! Your Allah is only a mirage! Since your definition of Allah that you have in your mind, in your hearts, in your souls, in your books, is woefully wrong.
RE:RE:Quantum physics and Universla conscisouness
by Global Hindu on Jun 18, 2008 01:17 AM Permalink
a profet is mere a man. There is a possibility that he was just blabbering or creating a great fraud that fits his agenda. Profetism has less credibility than logical conclusion of GODs nature
RE:Quantum physics and Universla conscisouness
by Global Hindu on Jun 18, 2008 01:22 AM Permalink
I am not sying that hinduism is better. I am aginst the idea that your religions is the true. I just want you to differenciate between fact and faith.
RE:RE:Quantum physics and Universla conscisouness
by Rajendra Rao on Jun 18, 2008 03:12 AM Permalink
Hinduism is the BEST! The Abrahamic cults are depraved cults, their major purpose, to piss on others.
RE:Quantum physics and Universla conscisouness
by Krishnan on Jun 18, 2008 01:41 AM Permalink
go shag a camel. the experience will make you another prophet. untrustworthiness is in your blood. wherever you go, you will backstab.
RE:Quantum physics and Universla conscisouness
by ss gpal on Jun 19, 2008 03:19 PM Permalink
Typical moslem responses when they can not answer or rebutt logically the innumerable stupidities and absurdities in qran. 1.Read qran and then comment. As if reading qran will remove the absurdities. 2.read qran in Arabic and then comment.As if qran can not be translated at all in to any other language.In that case apart from arabic speaking masses, no other 700 million and odd muslims will be able to understand the qran 3.If you know arabic, they will say, no you need to know the classical arabic written 1400 years ago! This means no moslem can read and understand qran! I think this is really true as most moslems are illiterates. 4.You need to know the exact context and you are quoting out of context.You need to study the verse before and verse after. The qran itself is a hodge podge mixture of verses with no chronological order. But you should not quote it out of context. 5.You quote the verse before and verse after, the response will be typical.But you have no belief in qran and so you do not understand what allah wants you to understand. 6.You are a believer and ask these questions, you are a dead meat. 7.As a non believer , you persist, they will abuse you personally, your religion. family and mothers and daughetrs etc personally, in most vu;lgar language.I believe this is because all the moslems learn the abuses from their parents and nothing else. 8.They will silence you at any cost , if you are a popular figure and want to spread the truth about islam. Thats
