Take one point at a time and then discuss.I am waiting here, told you origin of caste system was based on occupation not by birth but people abused it but things are changing fast.Tell me more man.
RE:RE:@ Wahaj
by mighty on Jun 17, 2008 09:59 PM Permalink
caste system was abused by people and it was wrong and things r changing and if not for bloody politicians caste system would have disappeared for ever.
RE:@ Wahaj
by mighty on Jun 17, 2008 09:56 PM Permalink
I understand what they did is wrong and it was abused by few and things have changed now and they are no more the same.
RE:@ Wahaj
by JGN on Jun 17, 2008 09:58 PM Permalink
You are just parroting the same non-sense. I had explained the matter to you in the reply below. Do you know that the Arabs do not consider the muslims from Indian sub-continent as equal to them? Even the "black" muslims in Oman are not treated as equals by their "white skinned" counter-parts!
Same on Taslima. Or few days back when Hyd Court gave verdict to go ahead with Ahmadiya function, but Muslims forcibly Stopped that.
MUSLIMS NOW SUPPORT BANERJEE COMMITTE REPORT. BUT THEY DONOT SUPPORT HIGH COURT'S DIRECTIVE BANNING THE SAME REPORT OR STOPPING AUTHORIES FROM TAKING ANY ACTION BASED ON IT, OR EVEN FILE IT TO LOK SABHA.
MUSLIMS ACCEPT COURT VERDICT DEPENDING ON WHETHER ITS GOOD FOR THEM. WHAT IS AGAINST THEM, THEY START VIOLENCE.
The trajectory of Muslim state is now familiar. It remains unstable till it becomes religious; after it becomes religious it remains unstable till it becomes theocratic; after it becomes theocratic, it threatens its neighbours, both Muslim and non-Muslim alike and is attacked by international armies under Chapter seven of UN Charter. The Caliphate of Afghanistan was attacked in 2001 but Pakistan saved itself by betraying its client, the Taliban and ducking out of the conflict. Now the Imamate of Iran may be about to be attacked. – Khaled Ahmed, Pakistani Political Analyist.
RE:Hindus are not Communal; Muslims are Communal
by Dinesh on Jun 17, 2008 11:13 PM Permalink
Correct. The most quran expert, Allah worshiper Laden has admitted that he is responsible for 9/11 attack of World trade center. The indian airlines hijackers were given protection by the Allah worshipers talibans. Islam never given anything for world development but terrorists.
Before the BJP, the Hindus were caught between the islamists and the secularists of the congress and CPI types and were without equal rights or privileges. They were asked to make all the sacrifices and the muslims were not asked to make any. The muslims dont like the BJP because now they cannot have it their way as much as before. Instead of blaming the Hindus, why dont the muslims reform their community and make them secular and tolerant. It is not just the Hindus who are saying that the muslims are fundamentalists and intolerant and incapable of cahabiting with others. The whole world now knows their violent side as well. The South is peaceful only because South Indians tend to be less reactive not because the provocations from the muslims are absent - Hyderabad and kerala are examples of how Hindus have just tolerated everything wihout even a whimper. Look at kerala - it is in the grip of the most fundamentalist, the most intolerant muslims anywhere. Kerala is becoming an islamic state and the Hindus are just quietly watching it. Those Kerala Hindus who think that the muslims also respect secularism and the live-and-let-live doctrine that they themselves adhere to are fools. When the situation becomes worse and street battles take over it will be too late for them! The communists, of course will never learn.
While I am all for Hindu-Muslim amity and brotherhood, I am against pandering and appeasement and making minorities into a special people. If they want equality, t
RE:True secularism does not exist in India
by sri on Jun 17, 2008 09:49 PM Permalink
Sorry, the rest of my comments got cut out:
While I am all for Hindu-Muslim amity and brotherhood, I am against pandering and appeasement and making minorities into a special people. If they want equality, they must behave like equal citizens of India and respect others. Violence, anti-state activities and riots must be put down with an iron hand. The Hindu politician who are the real culprits behind this pandering and anti-Hindu policies must be made to pay.
It is ridiculous and hypocritical for the muslims to blame the Hindus for organizing themselves when they themselves have organized violent, anarchic, islamic political organizations whether it was the muslim league, or the MIM or the ISS, or the Deendar-e-Anjuman, or SIMI or whatever.
RE:Explain this...
by Wahaj Faridy on Jun 17, 2008 09:44 PM Permalink
If Hindus are most TOLERANT people, then why they persecuted co-religionists as "Untouchables", and low castes.
RE:Explain this...
by mighty on Jun 17, 2008 09:46 PM Permalink
Caste system was born on the occupation they were doing and some people misused it and tell me how many r following the same now.
RE:Explain this...
by JGN on Jun 17, 2008 09:47 PM Permalink
Is there no caste system in Islam? Put search words "Caste system in Islam" and understand for yourself. More over there are 73 warring sects in Islam (including Ahmediyas who are not considered as Muslims in many countries - in Pak they are not even allowed to issue call for prayer - aazan! ) The abusrdities in the hinduism would not make Islam any better. Whom are you trying to fool?
As Indonesian cleric, Abu Bakar Bashir recently said, "If the West wants to have peace, then they have to accept Islamic rule."......this is what every muslim thinks about other religions and cultures!
I quote from the book, Calicut: The City of Truth Revisited by Prof. M.G.S. Narayanan:
....As mentioned above, when the fear of humiliation and conversion to Islam gripped him, the king reportedly set fire to the powder magazine with his own hand. This happened on 27th April, corresponding to 14th of Medam, 941 ME (1766 AD) on Chitra day. The blowing up of the fort was symbolic of the end of Zamorin’s rule of Calicut which had lasted for more than 600 years. The Capital city from where his ancestors had marched out “to die, kill and conquer” was no more the same.
Thus the last ruler of the dynasty which treated Islam with dignity and promoted the Mappila interests in Malabar, perished due to the attack of a Muslim aggressor from Mysore. It gods to the credit of the Mapplia community that during three decades of Mysore occupation under Hyder Ali and Tippu Sultan, they refused,, with a few exceptions like the Ali Rajas of Cannanore,to join hands with the invaders inspite of appeals in the name of religion........
The Mappila riot in Malabar was the result of a foolish decision of Mahatma Gandhi and both hindus and muslims suffered in its aftermath and the Marad problem was an exception rather than rule.
Learn from history and look forward to the future unbiased.
RE:Problem in DIALOG WITH COMMUNAL HINDUS
by mighty on Jun 17, 2008 09:40 PM Permalink
I am open to discussion with you to see what extent you learnt history from prof mullah.
RE:Problem in DIALOG WITH COMMUNAL HINDUS
by JGN on Jun 17, 2008 09:52 PM Permalink
There was no concept of "equality" before French revolution. The Bible and The Quran justifies "slavery". So much for their universal brotherhood!
RE:Problem in DIALOG WITH COMMUNAL HINDUS
by Kris iyer on Jun 17, 2008 10:01 PM Permalink
Wahaj Faridy, According to pakistani magazines like "The Herald", untouchability exists in muslim society also. That is why many of them are becoming Christians there. The magazine quotes many muslims as saying that if they serve tea or coffee to any "bangi caste", be they Hindu or muslim, they will drop the glass in fire, before and after washing it, without touching it. Many muslims from Dalit castes, find that muslims from other castes do not wish to marry them. You can investigate. You will find this to be fact.
