RE:PUCL is Maoist PRO
by Prem Kumar on Jun 16, 2008 11:21 PM Permalink
Yes, Mr. Sasidhar. Yes!
Anyone who stands up for Human rights, stands up for poor displaced Tribals are Moists. What a convienient labelling!!!
When one member of your family/friend is unjustly arrested, you fight for them [and claimed to be hero in community] but when other good man gets arrested, you will conviniently label him terrorist, without even trying to understand the truth.
RE:PUCL is Maoist PRO
by japjit singh on Jun 17, 2008 02:33 PM Permalink
Prem, why don't you stand up for innocent tribal women and kids when they are killed by naxal leftist terrorists? Why no international protests or aa-maran anshan's (fast unto death) against naxalite leftie filth? It is simple because poor tribals are just pawns in the hands of 'human(read, naxal) rights' activists who want to use and kill them if it gets them 'power'. Be ready to be paid back in the same coin and no cares a bit about your sentiments.
RE:PUCL is Maoist PRO
by sasidhar v on Jun 18, 2008 12:10 AM Permalink
Hell with people like U ! When terrorists attacks, naxalites put bombs in trains and kill people in their courts. PUCL keeps mum because it wants india to be self destrcutive. People enjoy the bloodshed. PUCL does not open mouth when when balst occur, but they will start once protecting the suspects to prevent them being caught. Premkumar u r blood thirsty hate monger! U people do not deserve any human treatment. U people shall be put in extracting machine.
RE:PUCL is Maoist PRO
by Prem Kumar on Jun 18, 2008 04:11 AM Permalink
Japjit Singh, Your logic is heavily skewed and unreasonable. Very old cliched - when someone works on one effort, you ask them why not other things?
PUCL as an organization works on preserving Individual Human rights. When state- which is supposed to be working for the people, voted by the people, accountable to people- openly flaunts the basic right of an individual, organizations like PUCL and Human Rights Forum fight for this. These voices of tribals which will NEVER be heard otherwise.
It is ridiculous that PUCL should fast against Maoists? Maoists are banned organization which acts by itself and are not accountable to anyone. Everyone hates their violence but PUCL cannot argue reasonably about Human rights to Maoists. They don't care and there will be no results.
If your argument is that PUCL should protect lives of tribals only from Naxals and when state oppress them, they should not interfere, this is just a laughing-stock.
Sasidhar, It is hard to argue with fear-mongering, bush-type 'smoke-em-out couwboys' like you, who care a hair for lives of poor tribals. If you want to close your eyes and falsely believe Chattisgarh state is not oppressing thousands & thousands of tribals, through Salwa Judum, you are living in a fantasy world. NONE here is supporting MAOISTS. We hate their violence but dont link innocent with Naxals and incarcerate them under black laws.
PUCL Jaipur is actively working in Jaipur to provide long term support to balst affected victims. Chec
RE:PUCL is Maoist PRO
by japjit singh on Jun 18, 2008 12:15 PM Permalink
Prem, read again what you have written since you are confused with the whole issue. As you said, PUCL works to preserve individual human rights. OK so far. What happens when PUCL jokers like Binayak Sen are themselves colluding with banned and outlawed Naxal filth? I see a collaboration of underground Naxal lefties with overground sympathizers in PUCL. How can PUCL protect the common man's rights when its top-dog is hand in glove with naxalites. Hope, I made it clear.
These Naxalite sympathisers and activists no doubt have a wide reach across the world and go to any extent and any kind of gimmick to secure the release of Naxalite activists.
RE:WIDE REACH!!!
by Sheetal Kaur on Jun 16, 2008 09:26 PM Permalink
How do you know he is a Naxalite. Can you do better for the poor miners in question then Dr Binayak Sen. I bet you would not even know where to start. If he was guilty why wasn't he charged and brought to trail,why imprison him for a year with out trail. Is it that some corrupt government officer or police officer was demanding cash from him and he refused. The possibility is there since it is INDIA, and in INDIA any thing is possible. If possible indians will corrupt god as well.
RE:WIDE REACH!!!
by drax on Jun 16, 2008 09:35 PM Permalink
And how do you know he is not a naxalite. Do you have better info than the courts and police there. Why even supreme court rejected his bail plea after due consideration. Also there are thousands of such undertrials who languish in jails without a charge and possibly innocent too. Why so much hue and cry for only this guy. Why not demand for the entire criminal/judicial system to be reformed. Why not organise mass protests by Nobel laurettes and 100s of organisations to improve the entire criminal jurispudence in India.
RE:WIDE REACH!!!
by Mukesh on Jun 16, 2008 10:04 PM Permalink
All this is a perfect example of how our Govt is failing in taking care of poor and under-privileged. When Govt fails, ppl work on their own and do lots of things, both good and bad. Dr Sen is a person who did lot of good (his healthcare initiatives speak volumes about his intensions), but at the same time he might have taken law in his own hand due to frustration against the Govt and local leaders. What a shame, Our politicians are turning good ppl into bad. How long this will continue?? Even now our politicians are not even a bit concerned about all this. They are the real cause of good ppl turning bad. Our country does not deserve democracy, where ppl sell votes for a TV and a liquor bottle. Sometimes I feel that chinese are much better as their leadership doesn't care bout democracy, but do care bout their ppl.
RE:WIDE REACH!!!
by drax on Jun 16, 2008 10:26 PM Permalink
Yes agree with you. Democracy is not suitable for India where all kinds of idiots come to power and misuse it. A spell of army rule should be a wonderful antidote for this malaise I think.
We know he is not a naxalite because some of us are following his 25 years of Good service to poor tribals.
A gold-medal Doctor moving to remote tribal area and work for 25 years selflessly, is oen day suddenly becomes Naxal? Please know tht Court listens to Govt's false affidavits and Witnesses. AND IMPORTANTLY, court hasnt ruled him guilty or anything yet. so, just save it.
We are confident that soon he will be released by the judiciary but please think of few years of his false imprisonment and the negative impact on health of unfortunate tribals of chattisgarh?
Can Govt give his years back or will at least send a Good doctor to those areas in these areas?
RE:WIDE REACH!!!
by japjit singh on Jun 17, 2008 02:35 PM Permalink
I have asked this question earlier too since you seem like a 160-IQ person, maybe you can answer it?
Imagine this scenario, a person serves needy and downtrodden people for 50 years but is arrested for murder and abetment. Should this person be freed of his murder charges just because he served the needy people for 50 years?
you 300-IQ person please imagine this scenario, Gandhi one day was arrested and said he was supporting British clandestinely and was responsible for delay in Independence.
Will you believe in that obviously FALSE state argument and ask for incarcerating Gandhi to life/death or fight against the injustice?
Choice is everyone! Let corrupt politicians use 'Fear-factor' to oppress anyone they wish or act just?
Knowing Dr. Sen personally, he is the most humble human being who can't think of hurting anyone, forget killing people. Also, know thet he was even charged only as Maoist messenger, not fighter.
RE:WIDE REACH!!!
by japjit singh on Jun 18, 2008 12:33 PM Permalink
Prem, thanks for your snide remarks. Why don't you answer the question, would you free the murderer just because he served the needy people for eons.
Hohoho, humble person, super gymnast, can break bricks with little finger are emotional rants. Request you to read more on the background of this Douchebag Sen, he was not only a messenger (btw, messenger of an enemy is an enemy too) but was acting as a Naxal spokesman.(Narayan Sanyal episode).
As I mentioned before the whole thing has become political with so many names being dragged into. Dr.Sen has been accused as naxalite/maoist etc etc.People who are making the comments do not have a clue as to how it is to work in the tribal areas as doctor. I speak from personal experience. In many of our states(I am delibrately not mentioning the states) where there are tribal population it is pathetic to see how they have been abused.In one of the areas I worked I watched with helplessness as the locals have been exploited by buisenessmen and other organisations. A basket of fruits were brought for Rs.2 from these people and were sold for Rs.50 or more. You dare not speak against any one as you would be targetted and be branded as an extremist/ maoist/ naxalite.You just remain a mute spectator.The dynamics in these localities are very different from what we see in cities.Dr.Sen has been a pediatrician serving these people.I appeal to all to look at him as an example of someone who shunned lucrative opportunities and continued to serve the people. Just look at what he has done in these areas. Yes people are accusing him as a maoist etc. But he is not guilty till proven and the government has not proved it for more then one year.The tragedy is that it has now become a political issue and a case of one man upmanship. There is also a journalist who has been detained under the same laws. This is no different from Gm bay. Our voice is against illegal detention without conviction.
RE:no politics please
by japjit singh on Jun 16, 2008 09:14 PM Permalink
John Mukala, "Our voice is against illegal detention without conviction." How is the detention illegal? The case is going on in the court. Sen and his stooges tried for bail but it was rejected by the honorable court. Message to all naxal sympathizers- Respect the verdict of the court and stop whining.
As I mentioned before the whole thing has become political with so many names being dragged into. Dr.Sen has been accused as naxalite/maoist etc etc.People who are making the comments do not have a clue as to how it is to work in the tribal areas as doctor. I speak from personal experience. In many of our states(I am delibrately not mentioning the states) where there are tribal population it is pathetic to see how they have been abused.In one of the areas I worked I watched with helplessness as the locals have been exploited by buisenessmen and other organisations. A basket of fruits were brought for Rs.2 from these people and were sold for Rs.50 or more. You dare not speak against any one as you would be targetted and be branded as an extremist/ maoist/ naxalite.You just remain a mute spectator.The dynamics in these localities are very different from what we see in cities.Dr.Sen has been a pediatrician serving these people.I appeal to all to look at him as an example of someone who shunned lucrative opportunities and continued to serve the people. Just look at what he has done in these areas. Yes people are accusing him as a maoist etc. But he is not guilty till proven and the government has not proved it for more then one year.The tragedy is that it has now become a political issue and a case of one man upmanship. There is also a journalist who has been detained under the same laws. This is no different from Gm bay. Our voice is against illegal detention without conviction.
RE:no politics please
by japjit singh on Jun 16, 2008 09:26 PM Permalink
John Mukala, "Our voice is against illegal detention without conviction." Who is 'our' in the above sentence?
How is the detention illegal? The case is going on in the court. Sen and his stooges tried for bail but it was rejected by the honorable court. Message to all naxal sympathizers- Respect the verdict of the court and stop whining.
RE:no politics please
by JAYANTA CHOWDHURY on Jun 16, 2008 10:29 PM Permalink
You proved that you are Punjabi...who along with this generation Sardars even dont know or care about revolution which happened in Punjab also. Naxalites and Mayoists are different groups... their ideologies sometimes matches as they both talk about social reform across India. Before independence the words 'social reform' was pertinent which is true even after 60 yrs of independence as half of our own country men live in poverty and live a disgraced, tortured, abused, looted life in streets, slums, villages, and tribal areas. We dont care about them, nor any government or the machineries. And when someone of us (dont know who transforms them from cowardly beasts like us to real human being) rise from the masses and sacrifice their heart and soul for the neglected hatred, unattended that part of our society, we pelt stones at them, use all our mercinaries to hit them hard,and if thats not enough and if they still survive the bit of strength and courage to continue, we use government controlled machineries to lock them without trial and bit them to death. But we forget a bitter fact they are fighting for us (yes!) they are trying to improve life our ur brothers and sisters whose social uplifting can remove the curse of being a citizen of a developing nation. still been seen by the outside world as people of developing nation no matter how much we progress in science and technology and business. I feel sorry for you...
RE:no politics please
by japjit singh on Jun 17, 2008 02:25 PM Permalink
Jayanta, Dont say things you know little about? If i or anybody is 'wronged' by the state, it should not be a reason to pick up a gun and kill innocent men, women and kids. Naxalism, social reform wallahs and all leftisms are a menace to the mankind and need to be eradicated, whether you like it or not?
Japjit, time and again you are trying hard to link Dr. Sen to Naxals and trying circular logic.
None in this thread are supporting Naxals or their violence.
we are ONLY saying Dr. Sen is NOT A NAXAL and he is falsely implicated because he stood up Human rights of Tribals against state oppression through Salwa Judum.
RE:no politics please
by japjit singh on Jun 18, 2008 12:48 PM Permalink
Prem sir, finally you get it but partially. It is the court which has to decide whether Sen is a closet naxal, full blooded naxal or a superman NOT rediff message boarders. Respect the law of the land.
Lastly, when you say, "we are ONLY saying Dr. Sen is NOT A NAXAL"...who is WE?
In the above write up, nowhere mentioned about rejection of bail petition by the Supreme Court, the issue taken up by CPI delegation under Bardhan's leadership to PM, fresh pettion filed by Sachar to amend the law itself in favour of the maoist. Half truth is nothing but deception. What a honest human right activism it is?
RE:Half truth and deception
by Prem Kumar on Jun 18, 2008 04:45 AM Permalink
Dear Friend,
Chattisgarh government used false argument in Supreme court saying they have "incriminating" evidence against Dr. Sen and claimed leaving him out will be "dangerous". No one can explain what this humble doctor, who served 25 years, can possibly do.
Also, TWO very important facts: 1. Judge simply denied bail in judgment is "Binayak Sen bail is denied" while usually a reason is mentioned in the judgement. Why NOT this time? 2. Justice who handled the case was "state-guest" for a week just 2 days before handlign Binayak's case. Ring any BELL?
Please know that Supreme court has not made any decision; it has only agreed to State govt's interim argument and denied bail.
Justice will PREVAIL finally and i know all of you by then will be saying Supreme court has been bought by Naxals.
RE:naxalite sympatiser
by satyarthi on Jun 16, 2008 07:13 PM Permalink
In the above write up, nowhere mentioned about rejection of bail petition by the Supreme Court, the issue taken up by CPI delegation under Bardhan's leadership to PM, fresh pettion filed by Sachar to amend the law itself in favour of the maoist. Half truth is nothing but deception. What a honest human right activism it is?
RE:Ajit jogi and Dr. Sen
by japjit singh on Jun 16, 2008 09:30 PM Permalink
satyarthi, not only this guy but there is a bigot by the name of John Dayal, member of National Integration Council(NIC) and president of All India Catholic Union, who wants him released. Beat that!
RE:Ajit jogi and Dr. Sen
by JAYANTA CHOWDHURY on Jun 16, 2008 10:24 PM Permalink
You proved that you are Punjabi...who along with this generation Sardars even dont know or care about revolution which happened in Punjab also. Naxalites and Mayoists are different groups... their ideologies sometimes matches as they both talk about social reform across India. Before independence the words 'social reform' was pertinent which is true even after 60 yrs of independence as half of our own country men live in poverty and live a disgraced, tortured, abused, looted life in streets, slums, villages, and tribal areas. We dont care about them, nor any government or the machineries. And when someone of us (dont know who transforms them from cowardly beasts like us to real human being) rise from the masses and sacrifice their heart and soul for the neglected hatred, unattended that part of our society, we pelt stones at them, use all our mercinaries to hit them hard,and if thats not enough and if they still survive the bit of strength and courage to continue, we use government controlled machineries to lock them without trial and bit them to death. But we forget a bitter fact they are fighting for us (yes!) they are trying to improve life our ur brothers and sisters whose social uplifting can remove the curse of being a citizen of a developing nation. still been seen by the outside world as people of developing nation no matter how much we progress in science and technology and business. Reason being our utter ignornace of uplifting our society rather than ourselves whi
RE:Ajit jogi and Dr. Sen
by japjit singh on Jun 17, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
Brother Jayanta, you need to come out of your self-imposed hibernation and feudalistic, divisive mindset. I am an Indian first and then the list goes on..
From this post it is clear Jagpit is not interested in issue but his party - BJP & RSS. ---------- satyarthi, not only this guy but there is a bigot by the name of John Dayal, member of National Integration Council(NIC) and president of All India Catholic Union, who wants him released. Beat that! -------------
RE:Ajit jogi and Dr. Sen
by japjit singh on Jun 18, 2008 12:57 PM Permalink
Prem, you can call me names and all but the above mentioned fact does stand. Refute it if you can without resorting to childish behavior.
From last three days, REdiff carried thename of Che Guerra for three consecutive days in its headline section. Today only it was withdrawn to make room for this maoist doctor.
The truth will prevail Mr shakti Kapoor. I am not sitting in my room and giving a clean chit.Dr.Sen has been only accused with no conviction for more then one year.I believe in the Indian judiciary from the bottom of my heart but the irony is that he has now become a victim of politics. Nobody is guilty till prove . In that case many of our former leaders and activists have been arrested which by itself does not mean a thing till proven guilty. If the state government is so sure that he is guilty why can't they prove it for more then one year.In modern laws nobody can be kept in detention without being proved guilty. If there are draconian laws supporting their detention they should be opposed. I am sure I cannot change the views of the many who posted their views. I am proud to be in a tolerant country and the truth will finally come out.I am not just arguing the case of Dr.Sen. There are many others who are languishing in Indian prisons as accused and not found guilty yet. Thank you Rediff mail for highlighting the cause.
