Hello, As such there is no external god in this universe. A human should ultimately attain the very source of being through spirituality...All these bullshits religion, hindu,islam, christ,buddism,.... are kind of practice mechanism to attain the devinity.....The god is nothing but your breath...if you know deeply how your breath comes in and goes out, you will have a chance to attain this divinity....
RE:No God either in hindu as well in islam
by karthik on Jun 15, 2008 03:36 PM Permalink
There is a power which created this universe, this world and all of us. One supreme almighty. That power is called ishwar by hindusim and allah /god by christianty and islam. According to science, in order for anything to be created, energy should be moved/concentrated in a particular method and it cannot be done without a power. THat power is ishwar or god.
RE:No God either in hindu as well in islam
by JGN on Jun 15, 2008 03:41 PM Permalink
Mr. Kartik, pl download and read The Necessity of Atheism by Dr. D.M. Brooks, freely available at Project Gutenberg. Also read Gods, Demons and Spirits by world renowned rationalist the late Dr.A.T. Kovoor. You can get a copy of the same from Indian Atheist Scoeity.
RE:No God either in hindu as well in islam
by JGN on Jun 15, 2008 03:52 PM Permalink
If you have the stature of Dr. Brooks or Dr. Kovoor, I would defnitely beleive you. A poor man went to a jewellery shop to sell a "real" precious stone but the jeweller thought it was fake. Then a minister to the kind went to the jeweller with a "fake" precious stone. The jeweller accepted the "fake" and paid enormous amount to the minister!!!!!!
The terrorists can attack anywhere in India at anytime. The reason that, our internal security is absolutely failure. They 90% security personnels are not alert on their duty. They are not serious about their work. For example, you go to New Delhi Railway Station, no one will check you. The terrorists can easily go in side of the Station, and plant a Bomb or anything else in side of the station. When bomb blasts, the security will beefed up for 3-4 days. That's it. The security personnels are busy with their talking at the door. They are joking and talking about the rain or the hot summer. Security alertness is the only way to crack down the Terrorism.
India is the safest place for terrorist...due to week policies of indian government,dont compare it with religion or any cast,,,,,terrorist dosen't belongs any cast so govt should be strict on action againest them but gove is busy for vote bank and reservation policies.....no any big decision taken by govt on which indian can proud ....so we poor indian are born to die worthless in terrorist attack......or some are luckey whom these politcian gave chance to die in Kargil...........its not fully govt fault we indians are happy with short terms gain so always fight on small issue.....
RE:RE:Blasts
by arif hasan on Jun 15, 2008 03:22 PM Permalink
source plz.....
if you have a valid one plz put the link so that i can rad it.....and plz just dont believe in any thing that you get by EMAIL...
i can also post thousands of things twisted from MAHABHARATA which will really make a person think. But we are aare humans with brains try to use that!
RE:RE:RE:Blasts
by sunil shera on Jun 15, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
i repeat my messgae above:
m very sorry if i have hurt u ! But u are not responsible for the misdeeds of your prophet ... I m quoting Ishaq, whom the areabs regard as the most authentic biographer of your rasool
RE:Blasts
by sunil shera on Jun 15, 2008 03:23 PM Permalink
I m very sorry if i have hurt u ! But u are not responsible for the misdeeds of your prophet ... I m quoting Ishaq, whom the areabs regard as the most authentic biographer of your rasool
MUHAMMED EVEN CALLED FOR MURDERING A WOMAN (A POET)
This woman, Asma bint Marwan, had spoken critically of Muhammad, telling her tribe to be wary of him. She said: "'You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?'
Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, 'Will no one rid me of this woman?'
Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet's wishes. That very night he crept into the writer's home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling babe and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, 'You have helped Allah and His Apostle.'
Umayr said, 'She had five sons; should I feel guilty?' 'No,' the Prophet answered. 'Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.'" (Ishaq: 676)
MUSLIM BROTHERS - HOW CAN U RESPECT SUCH A HEINOUS BEAST ????? HIS FOLLOWER KILLED A LADY WHILE SHE WAS SLEEPING WITH HER KIDS ! AND THAT FAKE PROPHET ACTUALLY THINKS THAT IS HELPING ALLAH ????
I am a practicing muslim and I am proud to be Indian. So please dont link me to pakistan.
Regarding the satements you quoted, there are several false statements that exist, which were created to wrongly show Islam. Islam never says to kill, women, children, innocent people(they may follow any religion and may hate Islam), trees, cattle etc. It does mention about killing in battles. Now, battle is one which is fought in battle field. If I say Bhagavadgita says you have to kill your relatives, I am telling a lie. But it says you may kill in a battle if you are fighting for right and opressor would kill you if you dont. Again, i am saying that this applies to battle field.
Except for this Islam says that you have to be in peace with all fellow human beings no matter what they think about Islam. There is a statement in Quran which says 'There is no compulsion in Religion'.
Many people get misguided because of many books that wrongly fabricate Islam. Only reliable source for Islam are Quran and Sahih Hadith(Books like Muslim and Bukhari most reliable).
Religion is a belief. and terrorist activities are not for the beliefs but for political motives. Iam with you if you are against Pakistan, or against Terrorism. But you have to accept me as a muslim and as a loyal to India.
Understand a religion by its authentic books but not by its untrue followers. I should understand Hinduism by its Vedas and Upanishads but should never judge a religion not by takin
RE:Blasts
by JGN on Jun 15, 2008 03:22 PM Permalink
Yes, Mr. Khanna. These Sanghies are blaming the innocent muslims. Even the Lal Masjid episode and assassination of Ms. Benazir Bhutto were organized by the Sanghies, not speak of the bomb blasts in Indonesia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. They are even responsible for the skirmishes between the lawyers and President Musharaf in Pak. What a pathetic creed are these Sanghies!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Blasts
by vintesh saxena on Jun 15, 2008 03:18 PM Permalink
may be there is some connection between Huji and advani.........thats why he favor to jinna......
All religion teaches about peace. Islam only religion that not only teach about peace but It demonstrate how to acheive the peace. When you talk about Islam don't talk about some black sheep in the society. these people does not represent the Islam. Islam not allow to anyone kill , harm , backbite or say anuthing wrong about any person. If anyone kill innocent Shariah law will give death penalty. The Oppressed one only pardon not courts or lawyers. By implement the rule of ALLAH we can achieve piece.
RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by arif hasan on Jun 15, 2008 03:13 PM Permalink
i wont agree by that but in that case, going by your logic Krishna and many other dieties of yours would be pioneers as they killed many people in MAHABHARATA.......
RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by sunil shera on Jun 15, 2008 03:16 PM Permalink
But did Krishna /Arjun take sex slaves like Muhammed did with Juwahariyan, after killing her husband/brother ?
Did they kill unarmed surrendered people as Muhammed did with Banu Quraysh tribe?
RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by sunil shera on Jun 15, 2008 03:38 PM Permalink
Oh my God ! U DONT KNOW WHO JUWAHARIYAAN WAS ? AND U DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BANU QURUYSH TRIBE?
RE:RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by JGN on Jun 15, 2008 03:27 PM Permalink
Mr.arif hasan, while Mahabharata is an epic (story) and most probably the incidents mentioned in the same are the imaginations of the author whereas Muhammed was a historic person who lived nearer to our times. You are trying to justify historical truth with something mentioned in a story. Better think with your own brain rather than parroting Dr. Zakir Naik.
RE:RE:RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by sunil shera on Jun 15, 2008 03:41 PM Permalink
Mr ULTRA-LOGICAL JGN, why do u think that anything which happened 5000 years ago is mythology and what happened 1500 years ago is history ?
there is enuff geographicl, genealogical, astronomical positional proofs to validate ramayan/mahabharat !
RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by JGN on Jun 15, 2008 03:46 PM Permalink
So you admit that Ram, Krishna, etc are gods. Good. Now don't say "There is no god but Allah and Muhammed is his last prophet. There are other gods also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by Babar Khan on Jun 15, 2008 03:58 PM Permalink
If u have knowledge of any religion then just talk to Zakir Naik. He does not malign
RE:RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by karthik on Jun 15, 2008 03:15 PM Permalink
mohammed mujahid, you said terrorists dont represent islam. Then tell me who is representing it. And please dont make statements like islam is demonstrating peace.Esp in todays times. People will die laughing.
RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by arif hasan on Jun 15, 2008 03:18 PM Permalink
well its power......waise who is representing the LTTE?
we can have questiong and counter questions but we are here for answers.
Islam never teaches to fight. it is very clearly written in my book that one should not kill any one wthout any reason then how do you thing that people will disobey that???
RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by JGN on Jun 15, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
Mr. Hasan, as per your book being a "kafir" itself is reason enough to kill. Pl open your eyes and see the facts for yourself.
RE:RE:RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by karthik on Jun 15, 2008 03:27 PM Permalink
Krishna said force should be used as THE LAST OPTION.Not the first option. Thats why he killed kauravas when all other options to control them failed. Even non violence. Terrorists use force as the first option.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by Babar Khan on Jun 15, 2008 04:03 PM Permalink
Terrorist are not right. They are misguided people. It is just a co incident that most of the troubles are where there are muslims. But u must see the root causes that have spiralled into these wars and terrorism. Look at Israel, Iraq etc. These terrorist and our enemy countries then take advantage of the situation created in India by various riots for example 1992-93 and gujarat 2002 which was openly state sponsored terrorsim. As a muslim i am proud to be indian and for me india is he best place to be
RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by Dinesh on Jun 15, 2008 03:20 PM Permalink
If you say that Islam brings peace, your people should inform the police when the terrorists are hiding in muslim locality. If an eve teaser is handed over to police immediately many people come to his rescue in the name of religion, why?
RE:RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by arif hasan on Jun 15, 2008 03:25 PM Permalink
you fortgot some time back IB did do this exercise of sending a decoy as a muslim to amadarsa...... he went and told that moulvi that he is a terrorist the moulvi told him to hide and complained to the police...... if you search the zee news archives you will get this news.....
RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by arif hasan on Jun 17, 2008 09:08 PM Permalink
NO Karthik its nt one in a million....any and every muslim will do that!
RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by Dinesh on Jun 15, 2008 03:33 PM Permalink
Not satisfied, There are thousands of terrorists hiding in Hyderabad, not a single is reported. There are so many hiding in Kerala, not a single is reported. So many terrorist activities are taking place around the country, is it possible without locals help?
RE:RE:Terrorists doen not have religion
by arif hasan on Jun 17, 2008 09:10 PM Permalink
well i am not aware of any such incident.... terrorists activities are a secret and locals are not aware of that.......
if thats the case why did the bomb went off in the Mecca Masgid?? Would you say that its done by Muslim terrorists or would that be by the Hindu Terrorists??
Is given by people of india only. I know all son of bleach will cry over here. Please watch Incredible India Or story of india documentary coming on discovery channel.
They told god has send so many prophet then why all prophet born in middle east region. Why there is no prophet came to india to enlighten us because we are oldest civilization here. why their prophet gives updesh to ME people only. Are we indian, chinese, japanese, Burmese not human?
I dont believe whether any god create difference between race of world. For god all the people whether black or white, woman or man should same. Dont teach us our verses only converting in foreign language. We know how to survive.
RE:Why we asian pray to middle east theory god
by Josemon on Jun 15, 2008 03:11 PM Permalink
That's a good point, Sir. It is notable that all the prophets who introduced major semetic religions were born in Middle East region only! Why there were no "such prophets" in India and other areas in this earth? Again, its funny to see that all the major semetic religions are trying to teach us good life where their own people are living accoding to their whims and fancies!! Is it contradicting to their origin and teachings?
RE:Why we asian pray to middle east theory god
by karthik on Jun 15, 2008 03:21 PM Permalink
Looks like you deliberately said south india in order to make north indians support you. I am from south india and i dont know of a single girl who married her uncle. And it is muslims who get their women married to their cousins, even mothers sister son. Maybe south indian muslims do what you said.
RE:Why we asian pray to middle east theory god
by Dinesh on Jun 15, 2008 03:08 PM Permalink
Why these namaz reading people are so experts in abusive vacabularies. are they practically practising it like madhar-ch, etc.
RE:RE:Why we asian pray to middle east theory god
by Dinesh on Jun 15, 2008 03:26 PM Permalink
They expects from others only. They do not follow themselves. Your namaz preaches this?
RE:RE:Why we asian pray to middle east theory god
by Dinesh on Jun 15, 2008 03:11 PM Permalink
These things happen in Islam only. Ram was borned out of prasadam, not by priest.
RE:Why we asian pray to middle east theory god
by Dinesh on Jun 15, 2008 03:37 PM Permalink
Yes, If want to contradict, you have so many. Who are Allahs parents? How he borned? Just from air?
RE:Why we asian pray to middle east theory god
by khaan on Jun 15, 2008 03:13 PM Permalink
wow,prasadam and u? as far as i know is prasadam can not give birth
RE:RE:Why we asian pray to middle east theory god
by arif hasan on Jun 15, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
you know what you need to change your id...... i dont want any one to abuse my prophet and you are giving them a achance to do so.
if you are a Muslim you will stop posting from this id if you are not a MUSLIM CONTINUE!
RE:Why we asian pray to middle east theory god
by arif hasan on Jun 15, 2008 03:08 PM Permalink
Illlegal relation ship?
BTW....if you come to South India you will find that girls are married to there UNCLES... that is girl married to either fathers brother or mothers brother......
i dont understand what do people get by abusing? what do you people get a high after that? its just workds taht you are typing..... plz stop abusing others as its written oin our book also that you should not abuse other's god as they can do the same with ours....now do we want that? no na...so plz keep the god and prophets away from this.
if you all wana discus and come to a conclusion write some healthy topics which can give results and no fightings...
