RE:Statements on Jehad,Quran,wahhabism
by balaord on Jun 15, 2008 04:48 PM Permalink
How british used the term jehad to conceal their imperialistic designs during India's struggle for independece This is again more than a century old editorial from newyork times digital archives
THE UPRISING IN INDIA - Book on the Jehad by the Ameer and How Its Meaning Was Distorted. PERTINENT PASSAGES QUOTED Columns of Elles and Blood Ready to Advance Upon the Mohmands -Bravery of Sepoys at Cavagnari- Attack on Samana Posts Expected
RE:RE:Statements on Jehad,Quran,wahhabism
by karthik on Jun 15, 2008 04:49 PM Permalink
about ur first post. But abt the second, just because it appeared in new york times whats the proof that it is right. There are many documents in india which say that it was mangal pandey who was one of the first fighters of teh first war of independance. What makes you think that just because they are indian documents they are wrong and since new york times is a gora document it is right.
guys, how many golds do u think this great country (with a billion population) is gonna win in olympics ? well forget golds, lets talk abt bronze. saale xxbhen ke takke sabhi neta hei is desh mein. only bhashan, no action !
kuch kariye kuch kariye nuss nuss meri khaule… hoye kuch kariye kuch kariye kuch kariye buss buss bada bole… ab kuch kariye ho… koi to chal zidd fariye doobe, kariye ya mariye haye.. koi to chal zadd fariye doobe, kariye ya mariye chak de… ho chak de india chak de… ho chak de india
nowhere to run nowhere to hide this is the time to do it now
goonjon mein galiyon mein ration ki phalliyon mein mahalon mein beejon mein id-on mein teej-on mein raeton ke daano mein filmon ke gaano mein sadkon ke gaddon mein baaton ke addon mein hunkara aaj bhar lein dus baarah baar kar lein rehna na yaar peeche kitna bhi koi kheenche tass hai na mass hai ji zidd hai to ho zidd hai ji pisna yuhin pisna yuhin pisna yuhin bas kariye…. koi to chal zidd fariye doobe, kariye ya mariye haye.. koi to chal zadd fariye doobe, kariye ya mariye chak de… ho chak de india chak de… ho chak de india
nowhere to run nowhere to hide this is the time to do it now
ladtee patangon mein bhidti umangno mein khelon ke melon mein balkhati railon mein ganno ke meethe mein phakkar mein cheente mein dhundo to mil jaaye patta wohi jo mein rang aisa aaj nikhre aur khul ke aaj bikhre mann gaaye aisi boli rugg rugg mein jal ke boli tass hai na mass hai ji zidd hai to zidd hai ji pisna yuhin pisna yuhin pisna yuhin bas kariye…. koi to chal zidd fariye doobe, kariye ya mariye haye.. koi to chal zadd fariye doobe, kariye ya mariye chak de… ho chak d
guys, how many golds do u think this great country (with a billion population) is gonna win in olympics ? well forget golds, lets talk abt bronze. saale xxbhen ke takke sabhi neta hei is desh mein. only bhashan, no action !
my cousin was in the army (rashtriya rifles) n was killed in kashmir. his family was made to run from pillar to post to get his pension n no damn leader called his family for condolence, not even the local mla. now his wife is somehow managing her 2 kids with a teaching job. now y the XXXXFU** shud ne sane person care for india ? i m happy with my mnc job in chennai. coz i know if i die for the country, none of u is gonna help my family. r u ?
RE:hi
by raj bhai on Jun 15, 2008 04:30 PM Permalink
exactly,even our netas n beaurocrats dont even think twicw before eating the pensions of our martyred soldier.
What Muslims think of India and what Quran says about Jehad
by balaord on Jun 15, 2008 04:20 PM Permalink | Hide replies
Quran doesnt inspire suicide bombing.Quran infact restrains its followers but I also dont deny Quran as an option it endorses armed struggle just like any religious text and just like any constitution of a country. But if some idiot throws a bomb on a market and claims he is participating in a armed struggle,he should be treated as a nutcase and you cant blame Quran for that. And to me,especially if some one says says India is against Muslims and Islam,then he must be educated on this,and if he refuses he must be isolated and if he continues to propgate this he must be incarcerated. How ever I dont extend the same reasoing for Palestine or Iraq which are lands occupied where even UN acknowledges armed struggle.
RE:What Muslims think of India and what Quran says about Jehad
by karthik on Jun 15, 2008 04:26 PM Permalink
LORD krsihna in the mahabharata preached that force should be used as the last option not the first option, after non violence has been used. What does quran say abt using violence. And we are not criticisng palestine or iraqi figters. They are not wrong in attcking their enemies who have occupied their lands. We are only cricising terrorists who attack india, which is not their land. Kashmir was part of india since the last 6000yrs the time when you could say india was born
RE:What Muslims think of India and what Quran says about Jehad
by unni nair on Jun 15, 2008 04:25 PM Permalink
I agree, but when a terrorist get punishment by the law, why religious leader supporting in the name of religion..?
its very easy to give preach patritism on the rediff message board. but y dont u guys join indian army ? scared of dying or happy with plump jobs in some metro ? wt a shame, india is a cntry of a billion pple but is short of 15000 army officers. looks like evryone is a neta in this cntry, good at giving bhashan but no actions !
RE:hi
by raj bhai on Jun 15, 2008 04:22 PM Permalink
ppl of our cntry onlt toeing the line of netas,if a terrorist strikes nobody will come outside,all re sycophants and hypocrites,crying mother india but looting the country.
looks like you have deliberately chosen the screen name and your comment to provoke people to attack your region. Are u really a hindu from tamil nadu or a guy from some other religion and place
True Muslims are not terrorists. Who don’t know Islam some black sheep’s of society may doing wrong. Terrorism not a property of any religion. All other faiths are not yogi or minis. Hitler killed million of Jews. Bush Killer of millions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Are These Christian Terrorists? Modi (BJP, RSS Bajrangdal) killed hundreds of people in Gujarat. Are they Hindu Terrorists? LTTE. Basque, IRA, ULFA .etc... Lot of Organization Killed lot of Innocent human beings. We have to condemn all of them. The don’t have religion. No religion teaches violence and Terrorism. Terrorists do not have religion. By using bad / vulgar language against any other faith you cannot prove your faith is right. We have to fight against these terrorists and keep communal harmony to build the Golden India. Intelligence Agencies should work hard to eliminate the culprit from the society.
RE:Terrorists does not have any religion
by lets go on Jun 15, 2008 04:16 PM Permalink
Why are attacks by Islamic groups called Islamist terrorism? Other terror groups like the LTTE (Tamil Tigers) or the IRA (Irish Republican Army) have Hindus or Christians but are not called Hindu or Christian terrorists?
It is undoubtedly true that there are other terrorists as well, for instance the Naxalites or Maoists. The reason why the adjective 'Islamists' is used is that no other terror group invokes religious sanction or quotes religious texts to justify their acts. In fact, the Tamil Tigers has Hindus as well as Christians (their spokesperson for many years was Anton Balasingham, a Christian). Neither has the IRA nor Tamil Tigers ever quoted any religious scriptures to justify their actions, the Islamists have and continue to do so. The link between religious places and schools to these acts, is also well established.
Finally, the Islamist terrorists themselves have time and again openly admitted the religious nature of their ultimate goal -- Islamisation. It would be dishonest if this reality is ignored.
RE:RE:Terrorists does not have any religion
by lets go on Jun 15, 2008 04:17 PM Permalink
You are biased, what about the terrorism of the Shiv Sena, Bajrang Dal etc?
These are indeed organisations that believe in violent means and must be dealt under the law. But at worst, these are extremists and militants, like militant trade unions for example. The shallow coverage by the media has created the confusion about definition of terrorism and who is a terrorist. There is tendency to lump together terms like militants, insurgents, extremists, fundamentalists and terrorists.
While all the variety of people fighting for some cause or other may at times indulge in terrorism, a terrorist is one whose primary aim is to cause maximum destruction. In that sense strictly speaking, when a Kashmiri extremist attacks a soldier, it is wrong to call it a terrorist attack, it is part of an insurgency. We must be clear about this difference.
A terrorist is an individual who carries out a terrorist act. A terrorist act is one in which totally unconnected persons are targeted and killed. Terrorism is random violence that makes no distinction between people and promotes fear. It is no accident that in the Jaipur attack as well as elsewhere, many Muslims lost their lives.
It is a fallacy to claim that everything is fair in love and war. Even in war there are written and unwritten rules. The terrorists do not follow them. For instance in war, civilians are not deliberately targeted (they still die as collateral damage) while terrorists, for instance in Beslan in Russia [Im
RE:Terrorists does not have any religion
by lets go on Jun 15, 2008 04:18 PM Permalink
Using force against terrorists is like treating only the symptom. What about the root cause like the Babri demolition and the Gujarat genocide? The demolition of the Babri mosque at Ram Janmabhoomi was wrong and against the law of the land. But obduracy of the fundamentalists in denying Hindus their holy place is equally wrong. I am an agnostic but do believe that others who have faith have equal right to their belief. It is not that a compromise had not been worked out in similar cases. The case of the Krishna temple in Mathura is similar so is the case of the Somnath temple.
Making an issue of an obscure mosque in Faizabad was the original sin. In a plural society both the majority and minority have an obligation to respect each other's beliefs, this cannot be a one-sided affair. Many sensible people on both sides tried to find a solution to the issue, but politicians on both sides, interested in dividing society, thwarted all attempts.
RE:Terrorists does not have any religion
by mdmehdi hasan on Jun 15, 2008 05:17 PM Permalink
i have a question what give advani and modi to the nation except despute and loss to nation.
RE:RE:Terrorists does not have any religion
by lets go on Jun 15, 2008 04:18 PM Permalink
This issue has been further vitiated by the 'secularists', who in league with the fundamentalists first disputed the authenticity of Hindu's historical memory of Ayodhya being the birthplace of Ram. The ill logic has been extended further when many question the historicity of Ram and the Ramayan. There is glaring asymmetry here. All Hindu beliefs and history are sought to be rubbished on ground of lack of 'evidence'. It is this moronic approach that has turned even the liberal, the tolerant and the agnostics against the 'sickularists' and their fellow travelers.
The Gujarat riots of 2002 were indeed horrendous and a blot on the nation. But it cannot be forgotten that the Godhra incident was a grave provocation. In 1969, when the 'secularists' were in power, worse riots had taken place in Gujarat. The question is if Godhra had not happened, would the Gujarat riots have taken place? A corollary to that is that even today, in any state, if a Godhra-like incident takes place, equally severe repercussions would occur. This would happen despite the best efforts of the police or army. I have personal experience of dealing successfully with riots during my army career. But we all, who have this experience, agreed that if there is grave provocation and riots spread to rural areas, no army or police can control it.
In addition, some NGOs and individuals, with vested monetary (foreign funds) interests have kept alive the memory of those riots. They have falsely created the brand '
RE:RE:RE:Terrorists does not have any religion
by lets go on Jun 15, 2008 04:19 PM Permalink
On the other hand, Hindu society is so hopelessly divided that much terrorism will take place in India not because we are the number one enemy of Islam, which we are not, but because we are a soft target.
India possibly is already a laboratory for the jihadists, who test their tactics and weapons here before they use them against the West.
The article has been written by -
Colonel (Dr) Anil Athale (retd) is former joint director, war studies, ministry of defence, and co-ordinator of the Pune-based Initiative for Peace and Disarmament
RE:Terrorists does not have any religion
by Ronit Kapoor on Jun 15, 2008 06:02 PM Permalink
Religion is like a soul and society is like a body. Soul should stay in a body that nourishes it. So, Muslims should live India.
RE:RE:Terrorists does not have any religion
by Mohammed Mujahid on Jun 15, 2008 04:40 PM Permalink
The source of Islamic guidance is Quran and Hadiths. True muslims who follow these two. You cannot prove a single verse in quran against humanity. You cannot put baseless aligations without prove
RE:Terrorists does not have any religion
by Mohammed Mujahid on Jun 15, 2008 04:35 PM Permalink
A brahmin while reciting mantra if he kill anybody it is fault of brahmin or the faith he follows
