DRDO should focus on Laser technologies, that is the future. Lasers can be used to shield our borders from inflitration, Lasers are used for Ballistic missile shields, Lasers can be used instead of RADAR. Many other useful precision guided missiles can be developed with lasers. Who knows lasers can defeat all existing weapons in future.
RE:Lasers
by Jack Sparrow on Jun 06, 2008 09:44 AM Permalink
PROBLEM IS THEY REQUIRE LOTS OFF ENERGY, ELECTRICITY WHICH INDIA AT THE MOMENT CANT AFFORD..!! IF ONLY NUCLEAR REACTORS ARE SUFFICIENT IN NO. THEN INDIA CAN THINK OF LASER WEAPONS..! BUT AGAIN, LEFT POLITICS COMES IN THE WAY..!!
RE:Lasers
by dinesh kumar on Jun 06, 2008 09:50 AM Permalink
I agree with you on this issue, Even make a laser gun that can destory statlite of enemy. once you destoray enemy satalite all communication & electronic controles will fail. china has done test for th satalite missile for the same reason
One thing is clear, we have a lot of wish-lists, but are backward in technology by at least a decade...
Am left to wonder, what the DRDO can indegeniously achieve - if the article had highlighted that we could have enlightened ourselves... presently, it seems that the DRDO is a bunch of sophisticated group which outsources technology and performs as an assembling unit!!!
Thanks to our governance and irrational politics which are the root cause for such incompetence in our country...
We need to recognize and elevate education and knowledge as the prized possession - in all spheres... then the transformation would be miraculous...
RE:From the four part series...
by Sam on Jun 06, 2008 01:38 AM Permalink
DRDO/HAL and other govet defense behemoths must be split up and sold to the private sector.
Only the strategic missile division of drdo needs to be kept intact.
local defense industry must also be given a 15 yr tax holiday like how was given to software industry which later has pushed up indias economy.
drdo scientists if they are good will also wasily find high paying jobs in the private defense industry.
further private defense industry can also recruit scientists form abroad and develop all the technologies.
We must co-operate with the US if we are ready for another Iraq. The US is well known for back-stabbing its allies and India is no exception. They sided with Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War and kept blind even when Iraqi used chemicals against Iran and then attacked it in 1991 and 2003 just for oil. It must not be forgotten that they supplied Pakistan with arms and aircrafts during our 1965 and 1971 war. They even sent their USS Enterprise carrier battle group in the Bay of Bengal to pressurise us to declare ceasefire. However they had to run away from the scene when they found that a nuclear submarine from Soviet Union was trailling them and the Soviet Pacific fleet comprissing of Cruisers and Nuclear armed missile boats were trailing the 7th US Fleet.
RE:Co-Operation with the US
by aditya berad on Jun 05, 2008 09:25 PM Permalink
All junk heads are there in DRDO. Most of our talent have already migrated to developed countries due to government policies. They don't have any idea how much technological development our nabouring countries have done. CHINA has ICBM since many years and we are still in research phase. If CHINA and Pakistan can do things before us why not we. I think DRDO scientists should see WEAPONS MASTER Program in DISCOVERY CHANNEL. Atleast they will get some new idea how to develop weapons. I think we should outsource the work of DRDO to competent people from ......
RE:Co-Operation with the US
by guk on Jun 06, 2008 08:43 AM Permalink
That is a good idea to show the WEAPONS MASTER program to DRDO scientists who are starved of ideas. This will definitely show them the way ahead. You should write to DRDO chief about this. If there were a dozen people like you our country would be the most scientifically advanced nation in the world.
If they are not able to develop any new engine,controls, then they must resing. the things they are saying is not bearable. we don't need such a waste group of scientest.
RE:retir all the scientest
by kundan kumar on Jun 05, 2008 07:32 PM Permalink
At least Kalam has put DRDO in the forefront of the PR exercise, this makes sure that we all have heard of DRDO. In a way, it was necessary so that the nation knows about it and that puts certain pressure on the government to do something about it. Otherwise, no one would have given any damn to how much is the budget of DRDO...
RE:retir all the scientest
by MV Suryanarayana on Jun 05, 2008 07:54 PM Permalink
I am surprised by your observation. DRDO has always been well funded organization since its inception. It doesn't need Kalam for higher funds. On the contrary, Kalam's contribution was negative.
He did not allow MoD to purchase crucial missiles for the defence. Govt of India had an eye opener during the Kargil when they had neither missiles purchased them and nor DRDO delivered to them.
Development these technologies is shrewed integration of already available technologies and indigenous technologies developed. If one does not balance it the project is certainly doomed.
RE:retir all the scientest
by kundan kumar on Jun 05, 2008 11:50 PM Permalink
I do not know what sort of funding would be defined as "well funding"..because what I have seen atleast in terms of infrastructure available in DRDO, I am not impressed. It is definitely not anywhere close to world class....just see the buildings and the offices and it would not be difficult to get convinced that they lack funds or at least they need to use funds if they are well funded. The second argument about the negative contribution of Kalam is basically a perennial and classical dilemma of defense development or in general technological development. The argument is basically a vicious circle. For instance, suppose you need a missile..so you go to the market and then buy it and since you do not have the capabilities you would like to buy it as you find it cheaper to buy rather to put so much resources in an uncertain future of delivery of the missiles. However, at the same time you have lost an opportunity to develop the missiles also and made yourself very vulnerable in terms of the technological dependence upon the international market and in terms of defense deals, no countr can be trusted. No country would like to give you any technology unless it is forced to or sees more advantage otherwise.
RE:RE:retir all the scientest
by kundan kumar on Jun 05, 2008 11:57 PM Permalink
And there is nothing like 'a shrewd integration of already available technologies and indigenous technologies in the defense sector'. You need a working horse, now you need various components for that. Now no one is going to guide you as to which are available and which are not. Everything has to be done on your own, no literature, all the literature would be mostly lying or providing almost misleading data, it is not a very pleasant research. You need to learn the hard way and so it is imperative that we have foreing collaborations in order to be able to at least be equal to them and then certainly we can catch up with them. Moroever, for Kargil, I do not think it was such a major issue. I do not think we were going to use some missiles for Kargil, and DRDO to ost of the time concentrates on those technologies which are more like strategic in nature and we were not using such technoligies for Kargil. So, I think, blaming DRDO for Kargil problems is stretching the arguments further than the common sense dictates us to do.
RE:retir all the scientest
by dinesh kumar on Jun 06, 2008 09:44 AM Permalink
Every body is talking about resources,funds, There are several examples that if you have a wish from heart ways will open automatically. There are several examples of the same. Jagdish chader bashu, mary query, raman. with less resources & funds they have done excellent job in there field. its only matter of dedecation. lets teach scientist dedcate there life for aim & country
When intelligence agency is effective, it can collect the necessary sensitive technological information. RAW needs to revamped and be made competitive like Israel's MOSSAD.
RE:Intelligence
by kundan kumar on Jun 05, 2008 06:25 PM Permalink
May be you are right..but there re pitfalls in that approach also. Right now, we have more or less a clean image, we have no been doing technological smuggling so far..and this makes us somewhat trustworthy unlike China which would have difficulty in obtaining similar technologies.
If you want to sucessed in evolving new technologies, Start paying our scientist perk that they deserve, Like any MNC....Otherwise there will be very less talented people who would like to work for you. Theses daya every body is in race to secure there future first and then comes country. You need to think on it sincearly if you want to attract good talent. If done so you wont require foreign partisipation to develop new technologies, world will be behind us.
RE:Dear Mr. Banerjee
by kundan kumar on Jun 05, 2008 06:16 PM Permalink
Apart from the perks..it is also important to have foreign collaborations..you can not keep reinventing the wheel..the technological advancements in the world is quite ahead of where we are now..this means we need to first catch up with the best in the world...also, it is imperative to learn what is happening in the other defense sectors..we can not afford to remain aloof....moreover..only perks are not going to solve the problem...there needs to be further effort towards having more educated people joining the laboratories..for instance...it can be made more or less mandatory to obtain a phD preferably from foreing countries to get further promotion...Pakistan has made great efforts in this direction during Musharraf time. We can also motivate our scientists most of whom join after bachelors to do their masters and phD in due course and then when you have a work force who is mostly phD..of course you are one of the best..germany seems to be going in this drection only..
RE:Dear Mr. Banerjee
by guk on Jun 05, 2008 07:06 PM Permalink
India cannot become a scientifically advanced nation for the simple reason that there is a lack of respect for scientific profession. Education is a means to get a well payed job rather than a pursuit of knowledge. There is a lack of respect for knowledge in Indian society. A person successful in acquiring wealth through nook and crook is held in high esteem even if he is uneducated. A majority of students go to US and other countries to do higher studies because that happens to be the easiest way to get settled abroad. Initially they enroll for masters course after which they try for a job. If they fail they continue on to PhD. In western countries like US, France Germany etc., many if not all do science because they have a passion for it knowing fully well that they can get paid more in a career outside. How many of us Indians have that kind of passion? Even if somebody had such a passion he would be ridiculed by the society.
RE:Dear Mr. Banerjee
by saigeetha jagannathan on Jun 06, 2008 11:33 AM Permalink
well said!!!. As you have rightly pointed out, most of the students take up science only if they have not scored well to take engineering and medicine. It is taken as the last option. Only handful pursue science and research out of passion. We can easliy notice that a software engineer with B.E or M.C.A is held in high esteem than a Scientist-C with Ph.D. In India, education is weighed upon with money. Govt should encourage students to take up science in future. After all, Science is the mother of technology.
RE:Dear Mr. Banerjee
by Dharmendra Kumar on Jun 05, 2008 06:14 PM Permalink
DRDO should not keep in dark.they are telling this after 15 yrs.if dont have capability one should not commit for that. ISRO scientist also working on same salary category but result is totally diffrnt. DRDO is failed in its goal. As it is govt job so no accountabilty of anyone. do or dont do anything there is no risk on jobs.
RE:RE:Dear Mr. Banerjee
by kundan kumar on Jun 05, 2008 06:19 PM Permalink
There is a big difference in ISRO approach and DRDO approach. ISRO works in the name of the civil applications and it is relatively much easier to obtain technologies for these applications...but for DRDO it becomes difficult to obtain the same technologies....moreover, DRDO has 50 labs and it is of course difficult to maintain the efficiency of such a vast number of laboratories..and lastly..it has to be agreed that ISRO has done a better human management job....
LOL....... read this....."Already, the DRDO-Hindustan Aeronautics Limited combine that is developing the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft, has asked global aerospace majors for help in developing key systems -- the engine, flight controls and aircraft radar amongst them -- which are delaying the entire LCA programme."
If they want help for engine, flight controls & Radar system...what else is left there to be "Developed"....Pilot seats and tyres??
RE:Genius @ Copying
by Janti on Jun 05, 2008 05:51 PM Permalink
No need to design pilot seat covers & other junk as it is available all over the place. When you read latest in the DRDO dirctry which means 40 years old...
RE:Genius @ Copying
by Rakesh Mahajan on Jun 05, 2008 05:50 PM Permalink
This all because of the Busget allocation thay have got which is insufficient. But once they will approach our so renowned leader will get their commission in it.
RE:Genius @ Copying
by kundan kumar on Jun 05, 2008 05:59 PM Permalink
Actually there is more to it...suppose you go to the market today and ask for say the material for the missiles...no one is going to give you any information....everyone will commit to supply you the items but finally nobody will supply you...everyone knows the item is not for making utensils...so you can rest assured you are not going to get anything from the market. Now once DRDO shows that they have the capabilities....sudenly you will find many people interested in you for collaborations and all....so it is a dynamic system..and a completely selfish approach is required here....so..once we ask these defense companies for the order of so many air crafts..it is in our favor that we force them to extract as much technological information as possible....
RE:RE:Genius @ Copying
by kundan kumar on Jun 05, 2008 06:02 PM Permalink
Also, one of the aspects that is generally not brought out in favor of DRDO is following. Suppose you go to the international market and then say ..you want this sort of missile..you will find many interested people to sell you..but the cost would be so high..that you simply can not afford it...now once DRDO starts developing this sort of missile...and tests it..suddenly the same companies would be coming back to you saying we are going to sell you the same stuff in one third of the price..so in a way..DRDO spent the resources on developing the technologies..the product is not perfect...but still you have got a negotiating power on your side by virtue of that...
RE:Genius @ Copying
by kundan kumar on Jun 05, 2008 06:06 PM Permalink
And all these people who are critising DRDO...try to look from the scientists point of view. Are they the best scientists of the country?..Possible a good number of them are more educated than any lot in most of the private secotr companies....and they are paid such a meagre salaries..where is the motivation?....what are the facilities?...What is your career growth?....if you do not have answer to these questions..how can you have a dedicated work force for DRDO...whatever little they have achieved..they have achieved despite the troubles..they deserve appreciation...
RE:Genius @ Copying
by kundan kumar on Jun 05, 2008 05:55 PM Permalink
It is not like that...even if you have made an engine...and radar...basically the efficiency and efficacy of these items are not the best that is available...and you can not go on for indefinitely trying to develop the same engine with little by little improvement...so it is very important that DRDO at least gets some hints about thecurrent technologies...
