I had commented on Islam,based on the religious book Quran.But I do not know why were they removed from the discussion board though there was hardly anything derogatory.Things were based on Vedas and Quran.I again give below my remarks for healthy discussion- All religions do not tell/preach the same thing.Hindu religion(Vedas,Upinasads-MOOL GRANTHS) say "..thus when a human being sees all the living beings in PARABRAHAMA PARMATAMAA(meaning God)and vice-versa(sees all pervading God only in all the creatures),how can he/she hate any one?He/She always sees his God everywhere,in every creature and in all the creation,all the time and therefore bows before them(creation), respects them and serves them" Islam and Christianity,however does not command or advises its followers to see god in Kafars(So far muslims have not declared that Hindus of India are not kafars).Their religious books do not see even all human beings as equals.Infact Quran orders its followers not to befriend a Jews or a Christian and kill the kafirs wherever and whenever possible.
RE:ON ISLAM AGAIN
by hakeem on Jun 07, 2008 06:53 PM Permalink
The Quran says: Do not take them as your Auliyas which means do not take them as your religious leaders. Never does it say that do not befriend them. It doesnt say this even about the Kuffars that you were talking about!
BTW Kuffar in Arabic means to Cover Up, Get Dazed. It also means a Farmer- Who is dazed up looking at his fields! Simply put it can mean a person who is blinded and cannot see beyond as there is a veil before his eyes.
Muslim understanding of God is different. A verse in the Quran says that:
He is beyond our perceptions.
There is none Comparable unto him! Our minds cannot grasp him and this veil will only be lifted on the day of judgement.
This centuries old muslim understanding has been validated by the so called intellectual philosophers of the west of the 20th century!
Since there is none comparable unto him, we cannot equate him to any one on this earth be it humans or animals. This by no means, means that we should not be compassionate to the living world. There are many verses dealing with compassion in the Quran. Infact every beginning surah of the Quran begins with: In the name of Allah, the most compassionate and the most merciful except a couple where the wrath of Allah is on wrong doers. However it also says that His Mercy Prevails over his Wrath! Some translate it as Most gracious, most merciful.
About equality: O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that ye may know eac
RE:RE:ON ISLAM AGAIN
by hakeem on Jun 07, 2008 06:59 PM Permalink
About equality: O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).O mankind! reverence your Guardian-Lord Who created you from a single person created of like nature his mate and from them twain scattered (like seeds) countless men and women; reverence Allah through Whom ye demand your mutual (rights) and (reverence) the wombs (that bore you): for Allah ever watches over you.And among his wonders is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the diversity of your tongues and colours: for in this there are signs indeed for all who are wise- (The Noble Qur'an 30:22)O mankind! verily there hath come to you a convincing proof from your Lord: for We have sent unto you a light (that is) manifest. Then those who believe in Allah and hold fast to Him soon will He admit them to Mercy and Grace from Him and guide them to Himself by a straight Way.
RE:RE:RE:ON ISLAM AGAIN
by hakeem on Jun 07, 2008 07:16 PM Permalink
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black, nor a black has any superiority over a white- except by piety and good action.
Google is not even helping me prepare my daily Saambaar SAAR? Why always saying Google Google Saar ? It may have recipies...But I have to still buy the daal naaa Saar ? Got the point .Both Hindus and Muslims equally responsible for situation..naa..but more hindus..so now who to blame ?
RE:everybody say google google
by Virgo on Jun 06, 2008 11:27 PM Permalink
Hey paki imposter, go back to your dirty Karachi rathole. You don't fool anyone here.
Manmohan very nice gentleman Saar. Treats all peoples of all religions with fairness...not like some of my fellow hindu fanatics here. True sardaar (leader) of the Khalsa Panth. He is Dharmic also saar. Same name like Lord SriKrishna Saar. MANA-MOHANA. Always protect the weak and innocent Saar
RE:PM Singh is Gentleman saar
by Omprakash Kumar on Jun 06, 2008 12:41 AM Permalink
He has abolished caste and custom, old rituals, beliefs and supertitions of the Hindus and bonded them in one single brotherhood. No one will be superior or inferior to another. Men of all castes have been made to eat out of the single bowl. Though orthodox men have opposed him, about twenty thousand men and women have taken baptism of steel at his hand on the first day. The Guru has also told the gathering: "I' ll call myself Gobind Singh only if i can make the meek sparrows pounce upon the hawks and tear them; only if one combatant of my force faces a legion of the enemy"
Censorship is the bane and downspiral of an autocratic state Saar? This is what Hitler and Mao did before ruining the country Saar ...Hitler started blaming Jews for all the ills of Germany..Look how badly Germany suffered under Hitler ? Hitler finally commited suicide. Rediff and some Hindus is doing same like Hitler now...GOT IT SAAR ? No hiding is needed SAAR
RE:MUSLI-MS ARE INVOLVED IN TERROR ACTS ALL OVER THE WORLD NOT JUST IN INDIA
by Tathagatha Mukherjee on Jun 06, 2008 12:19 AM Permalink
SAAR...Dont abuse my hindu brothers...let me open their eyes...like my eyes were opened when i did open minded analysis. I know that we can discuss openly and open their eyes that every religion has faults if you want to point fingers but actually my hindu religion disgusted me EVEN more than other when i went to look for throwing dirt on others. This is a fair discussion...no need to abuse but face hard facts..
RE:MUSLI-MS ARE INVOLVED IN TERROR ACTS ALL OVER THE WORLD NOT JUST IN INDIA
by Ramesh P on Jun 06, 2008 08:35 AM Permalink
Joker fake "tathagatha" - we know you are muslim - don't fool around here.
RE:MUSLI-MS ARE INVOLVED IN TERROR ACTS ALL OVER THE WORLD NOT JUST IN INDIA
by Virgo on Jun 06, 2008 11:25 PM Permalink
This guy Tathagatha is a paki disguised as a Bengali. He is impersonating the real Tathgata. Note the extra "h" after the last "t". This paki is here to divert discussion and throw communal flame. I wonder why Rediff continues to allow this imposter here.
RE:MUSLI-MS ARE INVOLVED IN TERROR ACTS ALL OVER THE WORLD NOT JUST IN INDIA
by Tathagatha Mukherjee on Jun 06, 2008 12:14 AM Permalink
SAAAR...JUST QUOTING GOOGLE NAA SAAR. DOES LIFE RUN IN GOOGLE SAAR ?? Does the poor orphan begging on the street in front of rich Ambani house have google or faith-freedom Saaar ? CAN you stop Thackeray Shiv Sena party when they were beating up Hindu Biharis and North Indian vegetable sellers who were poor street vendors trying to feed their family and earn a living. WERE THEY NOT HINDUS WHEN SHIV SENA KILLED THEm. can you stop hindus being killed by Bengali Hindus in assam just for entering the state. WERE SIKHS NOT bloody PATRIOTS WHEN JAGDISH TYTLER HAD THEM BURNT ON TYRES IN FRONT OF SMALL CHILDREN and the whole HINDU BRAVE PEOPLE WERE WATCHING THE TAMASHA. Where was your BRAVE Hindu identity then ? COWARDS..from my Hindu faith
RE:RE:MUSLI-MS ARE INVOLVED IN TERROR ACTS ALL OVER THE WORLD NOT JUST IN INDIA
by Tathagatha Mukherjee on Jun 06, 2008 12:16 AM Permalink
Google is not even helping me prepare my daily Saambaar SAAR? Why always saying Google Google Saar ? Just give the sambaar reciepes in Google naa? I have to still buy the daal naaa Saar ? Got the point Tambee
SAAR...After properly doing investigation (and not covering up lies, mafia and police bribery to protect real culprit)if Rasheed is found guilty HANG HIM HIGH and torture him or even skin him alive. WHO CARES. THE GUY DESERVES TO DIE IF HE DID THE CRIME....BUT DONT BLAME AND ABUSE ALL INNOCENTS JUST BECAUSE THEY HAPPEN TO BE MUSLIM OR CHRISTIAN OR SIKH
RE:Hang Rasheed in public SAAR
by Tathagatha Mukherjee on Jun 05, 2008 11:36 PM Permalink
AYYO TAMBEE...i am on same side as you SAAR. I want real terrorist brutally tortured. But no abusing innocents Saar. And police immediately capture some innocent Saar and blasts happen again and again Saar. That is adharma SAAR..just catching and blaming somebody of same religion or God or whole religion just because someone ate money or incompetent to capture real killers..that is adharma Saar
RE:Hang Rasheed in public SAAR
by Omprakash Kumar on Jun 05, 2008 11:51 PM Permalink
But I agree with Mister Mukherjees point...we cannot deny that Jagdish Tytler and Bhagwan Dass who organized sikh genocide were staunch Hindus and not atheist?
Our PM Manmohan very nice gentleman Saar. He is Dharmic also saar. Same name like Lord SriKrishna Saar. MANA-MOHANA. Always protect the weak and innocent Saar
AYYYYYO Saaar...Hear whole thinggg NAA...Corruption is destroying law and order Saaaar...Most RELEVANT. Police corrupt Saar...real criminals get away and innocent arrested Naaa...Then criminal does bad again Saar. Then police eat bribe from mafia and minister allow illegal people again into country for money and votes SAAR ? ROOT problem corruption and loose law-order agree naa Saar
RE:Corruption is relevant
by Tathagatha Mukherjee on Jun 05, 2008 11:15 PM Permalink
Censorship is the bane and downspiral of an autocratic state Saar? This is what Hitler and Mao did before ruining the country Saar ...Hitler staretd blaming JEWS for all the ills of Germany...Rediff and some Hindus is doing same now...GOT IT SAAR ? No hiding is needed SAAR
The earlier example was of the Indian muslim who carried out the Glasgow (UK) blasts.
Islam is the problem and not the muslims. Its Islam with the concept such as kafir, jihad, kill the iodltors (thos who worship idols) that teaches muslims to carry out such violence.
Unless Islam reforms such heinious and unprovoked barbarism will continue.
RE:Indian PM says problem is due economic disparity and lack of education
by Tathagatha Mukherjee on Jun 05, 2008 11:04 PM Permalink
Hindu become most corrupt Saar..BJP is only eating money Saar. Advani changing color and doing ratha yatra but ate all the money for the rath naked. Where is that Golden Rath ? In his backyard SAAR ? Once praising Jinnah, once threatening muslim innocents, once the devil once the angel...Why shift the blame Saar ? Become positive SAAR and love innocents of all religions...
RE:Indian PM says problem is due economic disparity and lack of education
by Tathagatha Mukherjee on Jun 05, 2008 11:08 PM Permalink
Board different or "Bored" indifferent Saar ? No problem....have a good day. Support the trutha nd minority against the tyranny of the wicked majority.
RE:Indian PM says problem is due economic disparity and lack of education
by Krishnan Hariharan on Jun 05, 2008 11:09 PM Permalink
o someone please stop this nincompoop from posting! totally irrelevant argument ... just misdirecting the central theme... what has corruption in Cong and BJP got to do with Jaipur blasts near Hanuman temple!!
RE:Indian PM says problem is due economic disparity and lack of education
by Tathagatha Mukherjee on Jun 05, 2008 11:12 PM Permalink
AYYYYYO Saaar...Corruption is destroying law and order Saaaar...Most RELEVANT. Police corrupt Saar...real criminals get away and innocent arrested Naaa...Then criminal does bad again Saar. Then police eat bribe from mafia and minister allow illegal people again into country for money and votes SAAR ? ROOT problem corruption and loose law-order agree naa Saar
RE:Indian PM says problem is due economic disparity and lack of education
by Tathagatha Mukherjee on Jun 05, 2008 11:34 PM Permalink
i am on same side as you SAAR. I want real terrorist brutally tortured. But no abusing innocents Saar. And police immediately capture some innocent Saar and blasts happen again and again Saar. That is adharma SAAR..just catching and blaming somebody or God or whole religion just because you ate money or incompetent to capture real killers.
If one has criminal instincts, he will not bring religion in picture, like many criminals who are in every religion.
Who will show Islam as reason to fight against non-muslims? Those who are influenced, brainwashed by Islamic Mullas. These brainwashed or braindead peoples logic comes from the book not from their brain.
If there are good muslims , it doesnt mean Islam is good. They are not influenced by Islam or they compare themselves with well educated, cultured hindus, atheists and the influence of Islam is subtle on them.
At the end of the day it is not good muslims that we should consider for deciding nature of Islam. It is the Islam or the potential of Islam to create criminals and murderers that we need to consider. It is the statistics of incidents in the world that we should consider. It is the experiences of millions of people that were effected by Islam that we should consider and certainsly not your good muslim friend that we should consider while deciding the nature of Islam.
RE:It is for sure Islamic terrorism
by Tathagatha Mukherjee on Jun 05, 2008 11:00 PM Permalink
CAN you stop Thackeray Shiv Sena party when they were beating up Hindu Biharis and North Indian vegetable sellers who were poor street vendors trying to feed their family and earn a living. WERE THEY NOT HINDUS WHEN SHIV SENA KILLED THEm. can you stop hindus being killed by Bengali Hindus in assam just for entering the state. WERE SIKHS NOT bloody PATRIOTS WHEN JAGDISH TYTLER HAD THEM BURNT ON TYRES IN FRONT OF SMALL CHILDREN and the whole HINDU BRAVE PEOPLE WERE WATCHING THE TAMASHA. Where was your BRAVE Hindu identity then ? COWARDS..from my Hindu faith
