I fully believe that Indian Muslims are majority law abiding citizens as any other community is and are being unfairly targeted sometimes on this board. I have good muslims friends who are better than my hindu friends, so no problem. But RSS or Hindu religious organizations is not the real enemy either. The enemy is this culture of greed, corruption and political leadership is spoiling everything. Politicians for votes give false promises which divide one community against another and the foolissh public keep blaming each other instead of improving their corrupt political system. They will false promise muslims something and anger both hindus. They will promose Dalits free ride for votes and frustrate the middle class indians. Kill the politicians and introduce a new system of fairness and justice for all. Dont keep blaming each other whether hindus, muslims or dalits. we are all suffering equally at the hands of the corrupt system which offers no new hope or new beginnings. In fact i would praise indian muslims for being most patient inspite of this corrupt lawless system.
RE:New system needed
by RSSJAWAN on Jun 05, 2008 01:02 AM Permalink
WHEN EVER ELECTIONS ARE ROUND THE CORNER AND WHEN BJP IS NOT IN POWER IN THAT STATES EITHER KIDNAPPINGS INCREASE OR BLASTS TAKE PLACE..INTELLIGENT PEOPLE CAN NOTE IT
Thane is my home city. I grew up in this city & one thing I can say confirmly this is a beautiful city of people loving peace & not even single such incident I remember form childhood. Gadkari Rangayatan is a proud monument of we Thanetis. Its very unfortunate what has happened & I m very angry on the people who commited it. By god if I see that person I might shoot him coz such people r of no use to this country. Also our politicians r the most impotent politicians in the world. God save Mumbai, Thane & Navi Mumbai.There is a hopeless situation of law in these cities.
RE:Very unfortunate
by Omprakash Kumar on Jun 04, 2008 11:46 PM Permalink
We are all like leaves of a tree - hindu, muslim, sikh, xtian, dalit. We are part of same organism. ALL the leaves of this tree called India-tree are slowly becoming yellow and diseased because the ROOT (our corruption politics) has become completely rotten and diseased. Blame game between us has no use..NO POINT FOR ONE LEAF TO BLAME ANOTHER LEAF. Cut the root (politicians)and put new soil and plant will again become fresh and green. Please understand this simple logic from plants.
RE:Very unfortunate
by tapan ghosh on Jun 05, 2008 12:31 AM Permalink
Mr. Kumar, you don't know Islam. First try to know Islam and then give sermon to others. Don't think that by knowing Islam and the Islamists thr' your Muslim friends, you became wise about the subject. If you have any rationality, then you must try to know Islam and its followers from the expeerience of other community people(not necessarily Hindus) living in Muslim dominated area. Please go and live for one month only either in Kashmir, or Kisanganj, or Dhubri, or Karimganj. And then be wise. Tapan Ghosh
The real cause of what happened why is unknown to most of the citizens. Everything is inner plots and enemity and all. This happens because politians want seats. This is the drawback of democracy, so if we are enjoying it we ought to learn how to deal with the negative sides also. Or else change it to dictatorship.
RE:Vipa
by drax on Jun 04, 2008 09:38 PM Permalink
Democracy is not suited for India it appears. Let Military take over then see how quickly divisive forces and anti nationals disappear from the scene.
RE:Vipa
by Omprakash Kumar on Jun 04, 2008 11:49 PM Permalink
Yes...democracy is not suited when votes are the main goal. This becomes hell for all religions and castes. Implement rule of law and stamp out corruption. Give free and fair justice to all minorities and majority communities. Only dictatorship can save India at this rotten stage. Hindu politicians are to blame.
Palani. You are fortunate to live in secular India where people still believe in secular values and vow for it. Yes injustice might have been done in same case but still you need to respect and show faith in Indian law and judiciary system which gave Muslims equal rights after Independence. I will tell you feeling of two friends of mine. one Pakistani hindu friend. You do not want to hear his stories in Pakistan. He told me Baas jee rahe hai and some how we are still hindu alive. But i can not guarantee of next generation. This sums all. 20% population reduced to 2 percent in 60 years. Second one is Muslim Pakistani friend . he said he is ready to become Indian citizen if Indian Government permits. I asked him even after incidence like Babri masjid and Godhara. He was well aware of these things and told me YES. Reasons he said Indian society is progressive and tolerant. There is far more law & order and social freedom and justice compare to Islamic Pakistan. But here in India people like you always go barking about injustice and what not. Your action justifies the terrorist activities in name of Islam and then you give counter argument of small unrelated incidence. Tell me how many boom last hindu fundamentalist has done in India? And in last 20 years there are more than thousand bomb blast by Islamist in country
RE:@palani
by Omprakash Kumar on Jun 04, 2008 08:30 PM Permalink
@cooldudelov...you are quoting examples to suit your point of view. I met a Pakistani Hindu doctor, who said that even though the partition riots were bad, the Hindu guy loves Pakistan as his land of birth and has no problems in his life (he lives near Larkana in Sindh). Even though pressures are there to convert, he said it is suggestive and never ever threatening and he and his relatives are still staunch hindus.
RE:@palani
by drax on Jun 04, 2008 09:15 PM Permalink
Then how come Hindu population is so drastically down in Pak. Without some coercive methods this kind of drastic reduction is not possible.
RE:@palani
by cooldudelov on Jun 04, 2008 09:23 PM Permalink
you are no different from other psudo politician who are in denial of Islamic threat to the country. They are using them for vote bank and you probably for satisfying false ego of being secular. For your information there was no word called secular in constitution of India in 1949. It was added by congress during amendment in 1970
RE:@palani
by Omprakash Kumar on Jun 04, 2008 11:44 PM Permalink
you say that you like secularism but also say that there was no secularism in constitution and seem to quote that as a good thing. Fix your own corrupt politicians first (who are 80% hindu) and then look for blame elsewhere in other threats. Reason why India is so bad is because of our politicians and not because of secularism. Biggest threat is corruption in public life not Islam or Sikhism or Christianity. True secularism is a must for healthy society, but first implement it properly.
RE:@palani
by sanjay choudhry on Jun 05, 2008 02:37 AM Permalink
Why don't you take Indian politicians and your theories up your ar*se? What a deranged individual obsessed with politicians.
RE:@palani
by cooldudelov on Jun 04, 2008 08:47 PM Permalink
First these are not my views. I have quoted what i had heard. You only made my point saying there is pressure on Pakistani hindus to convert. How many Muslims got converted to Hindus in India. (none) Is there social pressure on them to convert to Hindusim (no). So for social injustice and discrimination which exists in every society. How justified is Islamic terrorism?
RE:RE:@palani
by Omprakash Kumar on Jun 04, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
@cooldudelov..when i asked the pakistani hindu, he said he was never pressured to convert or anything..it was suggestive. Meaning I live in USA and sometimes christian groups come to my door and seeing me as Hindu they give me some small lecture and suggest me to attend church and I politely listen adn say no. This is not pressure but suggestion BUT i have always been treated equally in USA without any prejudice. There is a big difference between suggesting to convert by invitation and pressurising like Bajrang Dal shouts in some rallies. The Paki Hindu doctor said that his friends invite him to become muslim but he is still Hindu and is well treated in Pakistan and became a doctor from one of the best colleges in Sindh and he is a proud Pakistani Hindu.
RE:RE:@palani
by Omprakash Kumar on Jun 04, 2008 08:57 PM Permalink
India though has made progress and is largely secular (thank God for that), it is pseudo secular . Meaning that corrupt greedy politicians make it falsely look like muslims are getting benefits to get their votes but actually its not real promise and never delivered but negatively it angers the Hindus to see the promises made to muslims. This is pseudo secularism. true secularism is when each citizen feels equal security to life and opportunities but sadly the police has been shown to be biased but they never do their job to get the REAL culprits. PSEUDO SECULARISM IS BAD FOR BOTH MUSLIMS AND HINDUS..Give real justice and security for all groups
RE:@palani
by cooldudelov on Jun 04, 2008 09:17 PM Permalink
Omprakash. I am not impressed with your US story. I also live in UK and has many Pakistani Muslim friends. World population has grown everywhere. Just can you simply justify 20% Hindu population in Pakistan and 37% in Bangladesh reduced to 2% and 13% within 60 years. I believe in secularism and strongly advocate it. But very much concerned about Islamic threat to India. It’s real and will divide country further into 10 pieces in next 100/200 years if not curbed now with good government policies and laws. We both have same views to issues but different approach to the solution. Muslims are harming more themselves alienating politically with only congress which is using them as vote bank and further alienating them from main stream
Kill the politicians and introduce a new system of fairness and justice for all. Dont keep blaming each other whether hindus, muslims or dalits. We are all suffering equally at the hands of the corrupt system which offers no new hope or new beginnings. They give false promises to muslims , dalits etc for votes and divide the other communities against the. Look at the Gujjar agitation...thats the natural outcome of election promises gone sour. All promises are false promises for getting votes or money. Neither is muslim benifiting nor is hindu middle class benifiting. So stop blaming each other based on those false news. We are all suffering equally. In fact i would praise indian muslims for being most patient inspite of this corrupt lawless system.
RE:Solve the root of all problems and not the leaves of the tree
by greatbush on Jun 04, 2008 08:16 PM Permalink
Lets play dead Lets play dead Islamic Terrorists are bent on killing us So lets play dead
RE:Solve the root of all problems and not the leaves of the tree
by Omprakash Kumar on Jun 04, 2008 08:15 PM Permalink
We are all like leaves of a tree - hindu, muslim, sikh, xtian, dalit. ALL the leaves of this tree called India are slowly becoming yellow and diseased because the ROOT (our corruption politics) has become completely rotten and diseased. Blame game between us has no use..NO POINT FOR ONE LEAF TO BLAME ANOTHER LEAF. Cut the root (politicians)and put new soil and plant will again become fresh and green. Please understadn this simple logic from plants.
Palani ...I agree with you that Indian Muslims are mostly law abiding as any other and not involved and being unfairly targeted on this board. But RSS or Hindu religious organizations is not the real enemy either. The enemy is this culture of greed, corruption and political leadership is spoiling everything. Politicians for votes give false promises which divide one community against another and the foolissh public keep blaming each other instead of improving their corrupt political system. They will false promise muslims something and anger both hindus. They will promose Dal;oits free ride for votes and frustrate the middle class indians. Kill the politcians and introduce a new system of fairness and justice for all. Dont keep blaming each other whether hindus, muslims or dalits.
why dont they burn petrol pumps petrol refineries gas pielines na petrol hoga na tranport na annaz puchega logo tak log thore annaz ke liye lar marenge
RE:why dont they burn petrol pumps gas pielines
by Palani on Jun 04, 2008 07:49 PM Permalink
who can tell that that why the oil price is going higher and higher? who is benefitted?
RE:why dont they burn petrol pumps gas pielines
by Omprakash Kumar on Jun 04, 2008 07:55 PM Permalink
I agree with you that Indian Muslims are mostly law abiding as any other and not involved and being unfairly targeted on this board. But RSS or Hindu religious organizations is not the real enemy either. The enemy is this culture of greed, corruption and political leadership is spoiling everything. Politicians for votes give false promises which divide one community against another and the foolissh public keep blaming each other instead of improving their corrupt political system. They will false promise muslims something and anger both hindus. They will promose Dalits free ride for votes and frustrate the middle class indians. Kill the politicians and introduce a new system of fairness and justice for all. Dont keep blaming each other whether hindus, muslims or dalits. we are all suffering equally at the hands of the corrupt system which offers no new hope or new beginnings. In fact i would praise indian muslims for being most patient inspite of this corrupt lawless system.
