After more than 50 years of independence efforts should have been made to phase out reservation but it seems that opposite is happening by including more and more communities into it.It means we r accepting that more and more communities are getting backward.Reservation which was thought as a solution to many problems is now itself has become a root to many more problems.What a pity!!!!!!!
RE:RESERVATION root of many problems.
by raj bir on Jun 04, 2008 06:42 PM Permalink
so mr. aman whom you choose BJP (NDA) or Congress(UPA)you have only two choices, you have to choose between two devils. this is called democracy. all poltical parties are playing with reservation to get poltical mileage. no party dared to out reservation for fearing loss of their vote bank. see this will continue as courts has their limitations also.
RE:Police should not be allowed to use force
by Seshadri on Jun 04, 2008 04:40 PM Permalink
Sometimes, it is better to let things be as they are...
You cannot meet the demands of all the people all the time... that is the first lesson that a leader learns... hence he must give his decisions wisely and for the greater good of all...
If force is not used (citing some idiotic excuse), then the gujjar agitation becomes a precedence for the other communities...
Hence, using force is the best way to curb these type of agitations.. and in the interests of the nation, it is best that all type of reservations be stopped...
RE:Police should not be allowed to use force
by raj bir on Jun 04, 2008 06:31 PM Permalink
everone seem to be judgemental. we have to find why it is happening? everybody knows it but blame each other, just like rajasthan govt vs central govt. i dont support violence, but one should know why they come on roads? it is all poltics to gain some votes. i read many bloggers who said reservation shold be given to poorers irrespective of their castes, but this is always failure as businessmen never shows their actual income and when you can get your income certificate signed by tesildar/DM for just rs. 2500/-
Reservation should be abolished from roots.Instead infrastructure should be created to ensure that no deserving student deprives from getting quality education bcoz of lack of resources.Deserving students on merit basis must be given all possible help including financial help.
RE:Wrong way to help :RESERVATION
by raj bir on Jun 04, 2008 06:35 PM Permalink
this will not help as you can give false income certicate to gain central aid just like happening in other schemes. real funds never goes to needy due to corruption
RE:Govt is impotent to handle this situation
by raj bir on Jun 04, 2008 06:38 PM Permalink
then why you (CM Mrs. scindya) have made promises. and why central govt is allowing the reservation system till date? when dr. ambedkar recommended it for just 10 years. you know better answers.
RE:The final solution to end the caste wars
by Gautam Sinha on Jun 04, 2008 04:31 PM Permalink
ST have right to forests et al. Think what a catastrophe this will be
What a democracy? Where any Tom , Dick or can held the government and people as captive and disrupt the life and demand for a ransom . Is it democracy or demoncracy? Where our so called leaders are taking to this country? Where are the sociologists who are watching this phenomenon as deaf and dumb spectators?Why they donot come out strongly with solution of this menace of reservations? These rioters should be taught a lessons so in future no body tries to disrupt the life of peace loving people.
In my opinion the Govt should react in the same manner that these crudes are doing, show no mercy on them, give full freedom to the police/army and let the entire Gujjars who are agitating and indulging in anti national activites be shot, My India comes first and we want only progressive and pro national people in our India.
RE:Be merciless
by Yusarian on Jun 04, 2008 04:14 PM Permalink
Every human being wants to move ahead in life. Here thay want to go three steps back and become equal to the most downcast in the society. What a pity?
RE:Be merciless
by HisMajesty on Jun 04, 2008 05:10 PM Permalink
Whats wrong with that, if everyone around them are getting free stuff and they are the only one refrained from it? They want to be treated equal, thats all.
RE:Be merciless
by Seshadri on Jun 04, 2008 05:20 PM Permalink
Nothing wrong in accepting free stuff, but then nobody should complain about the greater picture - that of the country's progress!!!
RE:Be merciless
by Anil Nair on Jun 04, 2008 04:14 PM Permalink
Do you know that once these people get admissions thru reservations, they anyhow do not study. Imagine a 30% person getting admissions thru reservation studying. When he has not studied all this life without reservations why should he study now with reservations? Then they get admission into NIT/IIT's or Medical Colleges and again they score only 15%-20%-30%. But since they are a drag on the precious govt. resources at these institutes, they are promoted, otherwise they will impede the future crop that comes next year. So they come out with a "Just Pass" tag and now get employment thru reservation into Govt medical colleges. Imagine a 30% getting a Doc's Degree and practising medicine. No wonder they come out a flop and killing so many people and dont work also. There should be a national discussion whether we need to support reservation or do we make academics compulsory for the lower strata of society be it upper caste/lower caste, hindus, muslims or anybody. Compulsory education should be a must for all children rather it should be each child's birth right.
RE:Be merciless
by Umesh on Jun 04, 2008 05:01 PM Permalink
All BIG political parties support reservations, some on caset & some on economic criteria. Nothing can be changed as of now....
RE:Be merciless
by pradeep agarwal on Jun 04, 2008 04:34 PM Permalink
Who will listen to sensible things.Even SC has let down the nation by upholding the sick 29% reservation bill for OBC.They are now fighting to get the creamy layer also removed, definition of which anyhow remains a mystry to most including Supreme Court
RE:Be merciless
by Madhulicka on Jun 04, 2008 04:44 PM Permalink
Lots of people are writing any bullshit here without understanding fundamental realities. Gujjars are not aliens. They are Indians and not Chinese. We must understand that if they are agitating then definitely the BJP, Congress and other politicians must have played some very dirty games. A genuine leadership can easily solve the problem, but Indian politicians will make Gujjars take up arms against even the army. Do not forget that half of Rajputana Rifles is made up of Gujjars who also live in Kashmir, UP, Haryana, Delhi etc. Do you wish to see Gujjar soldiers revolting like how Sikh Regiment revolted after Operation Bluestar? Already Indian Army has warned of this possibility. Do you want all India caste war and caste based regiments shooting at each other? Please think. Gujjars are our own blood brothers and not foreigners or enemies. We must all sit together and find an amicable solution like normal human beings. Gujjars are also human beings and they will surely agree to a reasonable solution. Why don't you people understand this?
RE:Be merciless
by Seshadri on Jun 04, 2008 04:54 PM Permalink
Pray tell me if Gujjars are given the ST status, will that not set a precedence for other similar communities to do likewise?
Why should only gujjars get reservation,,reservation should be for all or for none.? instead our politicians should get even a more better ST [Savage Type] status.....
RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by satyarthi on Jun 04, 2008 03:56 PM Permalink
Even remaining at the top of social hirarchy, if brahmins remained backward, nothing can help them.
RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by response query on Jun 04, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
You seems to be Originated from a destructive "Brahmin" so its look like in ur blood .so keep mum about Brahmin .... U dirty fellow...ask ur mom abt Brahmin...
RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by Seshadri on Jun 04, 2008 04:51 PM Permalink
From where did you get these facts? Arivalayam? Ramasamy Naicken Library?
Brahmins, in all the ages, have never been rich and extravagant... the majority are middle class (currently many are below poverty also)...
You speak as if you have witnessed the events that happenned 3500 years ago!!!
Even the birth of Jesus and his death are in contention and yet you speak with authority???!!!
The Aryan-Dravidian theory is not an accepted fact... it is one among the theories... the politicians have used it to fool people... Judging by you post, seems that they have been highly effective...
RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by Mulnivasi Indian on Jun 04, 2008 05:14 PM Permalink
Sheshadri,
We have proof: DNA test report : It indicates following TRUTH:
1. DNA OF BRAHMINS, KSHATRIYA & VAISHYA DOESNOT MATCHES WITH KSHUDRAS. 2. BUT DNA OF WOMENS OF BRAHMINS, KSHATRIYA & VAISHYA IS MATCHES WITH WOMENS OF KSHUDRAS.
WHEN BRAHMINS HAD ARRIVED IN INDIA, ONLY MALE HAD ARRIVED & THEY HAD CAPTURED THE TERRITORIES BY WARS. BRAHMINS HAD USED OUR WOMENS FOR BREEDING.
THAT IS WHY WOMENS ARE INCLUDED IN KSHUDRAS & YOU WILL FIND WOMENS WERE RESTRICTED - NOT ALLOWED FOR FOLLOWING, WHICH IS MENTIONED IN MANUSMRUTI: 1. NO EDUCATION 2. NO RIGHT TO KEEP PROPERTIES. 3. NO RIGHT TO RAISE YOUR VOICE. & MANY MORE THINGS......
THANKS TO GREAT PEOPLE LIKE - MAHATMA JYOTIRAO PHULE, DR. BABASAHEB AMBEDKAR WHO HAD BURNT THEIR LIFE FOR INDIANS.
RE:RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by S.Murugan on Jun 04, 2008 05:51 PM Permalink
DNA ALONE CANNOT TELL YOU THE TRUTH. IT CAN BE KEPT FOR REFERENCE. NOT FOR DECISION MAKING.
RE:RE:RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by Seshadri on Jun 04, 2008 05:55 PM Permalink
He has not answered about the credibility of the DNA test!!!
BTW, when was such a test done? and where is it published?
Interesting to note that how the Brahmin male DNA and the Brahmin femnale DNA were identified as such!!! not to speak of the Kshatriya, Vaishya and Kshudra DNA!!!
RE:RE:RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by S.Murugan on Jun 04, 2008 05:57 PM Permalink
TEMPLE INCOMES ARE GOING ONLY FOR GOVERNEMNT AND PEOPLES. NOT FOR ANY ONE'S POCKET.
Re: RE:give reservations...
by Prokriti Mallick on Oct 01, 2009 02:19 AM Permalink
"We have proof: DNA test report : It indicates following TRUTH:
1. DNA OF BRAHMINS, KSHATRIYA & VAISHYA DOESNOT MATCHES WITH KSHUDRAS. 2. BUT DNA OF WOMENS OF BRAHMINS, KSHATRIYA & VAISHYA IS MATCHES WITH WOMENS OF KSHUDRAS."
Please arrange to provide full report/proof on the above referred comments."
RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by S.Murugan on Jun 04, 2008 05:43 PM Permalink
When his(mulnivas's) wife brought one child, mulnivas should bring next child. Then only everybody will beleive that men and women are equal. He cannot, but trying to make nuisance. Who can blame for that? whether God?. But as per pagutharivu paasarai, there is no god. Then who should we blame for these inequalities?. Should blame only these pagutharivu paasarai including Mulnivas. Everybody is not fool to listen for somebody's following. If somebody dont know something then they should try to learn from somebody. Not to leave their dreams as facts making everybody fools with thier own meaning and explanation. Periar might have been acting against peoples on his region. May be that peoples are doing some mistakes. Only selfish and nonsense peoples were projecting to all the areas, making big issues creating panic among common peoples. Better everybody should try to limit within thier boundary and ability to understand the facts. It is not appropriate to complain and finding fault on majority's following and beleif. Somewhere something may went wrong, it may not be the sample for whole siciety. One should try to correct the concern, NOT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT WHOLE SOCIETY. IT IS VERY DANGEROUS FOR WHOLE SOCIETY INCLUDING mulnivas.
RE:RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by Seshadri on Jun 04, 2008 05:49 PM Permalink
In the words of Bheeshma, God cannot be known through "tarka" or "pagutharivu" or "logic"...
RE:RE:RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by Seshadri on Jun 04, 2008 05:51 PM Permalink
In the words of Bheeshma, God cannot be known through "tarka" or "pagutharivu" or "logic"...
RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by Mulnivasi Indian on Jun 04, 2008 05:54 PM Permalink
Mr. Sheshadri,
Shahu Maharaj (The King - Kolhapur-Maharashtra) had used the income of Temples for the deveolement of his empire & that is why western Maharashtra is very much developed in Maharashtra. If Brahmins use this money for deveopement of farmers then there will not be any suiside of farmers in our country.
RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by Seshadri on Jun 04, 2008 05:44 PM Permalink
And FYI, TTD and Sai trust have colleges, schools running on the money... apart from this TTD gives free meals to all daily... (to thousands of devotees!!!)
RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by Seshadri on Jun 04, 2008 05:35 PM Permalink
I just asked you a simple question - stick to the issue...
What is this DNA report that you are talking about and what is its credibility?
The temple's trust/board is responsible for the dispersion of income (if it is not taken up by the govt.)
even the churches and mosques have income... are they spent for the common man? seems that you are blissfully ignorant of it!!!
Listen, you have to have a fair idea of the operations of how an organisation(Conmpany/Trust/Society) operates, the factors that affect it..
Your outburst seems to stem from hatred of the Brahmins (actually you need to know a lot about the social order in those days coz it was the Kshatriyas and Vaishyas who were wealthy!!!)
RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by Mulnivasi Indian on Jun 04, 2008 05:24 PM Permalink
TRUTH ALWAYS BITTER.....MR. SHESHADRI...
FOLLOWING IS THE BITTER TRUTH:
We have nothing. Brahmins have looted our country from last 3500 years & still they looting us.
What is the income of Temples???? Do you have any idea???? 27,51,000/- crore of rupees per year (Income from Balaji, Shirdi & other temples. Proof: News in Sakal newspaper.). Do you know the yearly budget of our country????? 9,23,000 crores of rupees. Just see the difference. My question to all of you, who’s money is this????? Ours!!!!!!! & what they r doing with this money ???? They r using this money to destroy the Bahujans, to make them Slave. If you use this money for the farmers then there will not be any suicide in our country.
Shahu Maharaj in Kolhapur (Maharashtra) had used the income of temples for people of Kolahapur & that is why you will find the condition of Western Maharashtra is good in Maharashtra. All news channels, News papers, Vokal media (Baba's & Sadhus......) is with Brahmins. They decides - what you r going to watch, read, listen & speak. We r still in a phase of Slavery.
RE:give reservations from brahmin!!
by Yusarian on Jun 04, 2008 04:18 PM Permalink
we must realize that by systematic alienation of the brahmins during the past fifty years, these guys have leant to adapt themselves differently. They are still there doing better and better. The others are fighting and fighting. Soem body else is having the last laugh?
