Af they dies of head injuries, then how can the Aarushi's door have blood stains from slitting the throat. Blood can only ooze but not squirt forecfully from a dead person.
The first thing to check the finger prints on the glasses, if they are just planted there to confuse or misdirect the police/CBI. Arushi's room was locked and the keys with the parents, how she can be a witness to something as per Mrs. Talwar statement. This is what Talwars wants everyone to believe and they might have planted all the glasses and bottles.
RE:three glasses and a bottle of whisky
by dakshin on Jun 04, 2008 04:30 PM Permalink
Looks like they thought they can mislead and escape, but they are trapped and are trying to wriggle out leaving behind series of blunders which are following them unnoticed.
RE:three glasses and a bottle of whisky
by Vijaya Prabha on Jun 04, 2008 04:37 PM Permalink
Even if Arushi was a witness to something(which is a very remote possibility)she would have knocked at her parents bedroom to alert them rather than running to her bedroom to get trapped. Even if she had run to her bedroom she would have bolted from inside rather than leaving it open.
The irony is the Talwars know the killers. Either it is an inhouse job or contractual. But the scary part is that a father and mother are least bothered to unearth the mystery and nab the culprit. This is the most shocking part, plus the destruction of all possible evidence. It is a psychopth's job and may be hiding a valued secret too.
RE:Noida Murder Mystery
by Guest on Jun 04, 2008 01:00 PM Permalink
Hemraj –the servant had stumbled upon a startling fact involving the doctors (possibly all 4 of them-could be like gurgaon doctor kidney racket also) and was blackmailing Mr Rajesh Talwar. The activity/scandal in which the doctors were involved, if exposed would have cost their flourishing professional career.
Mr Rajesh Talwar decides to get rid of Hemraj and hires a Killer who had worked with him and was trustworthy and known to him and Hemraj . The Killer also knew how to kill a person with a single blow on the head
On the fateful night, the killer arrives and Hemraj answers the doorbell. The Killer asks for Mr Talwar and all the three meet and start discussing in Hemraj’s room (proof of 3 glasses). Probably they would have killed Hemraj in his room, but at some moment Aarushi would have seen all three in Hemraj’s room discussing. She would have assumed it as a normal, as she knew the third person (killer).
Later, to see that Aarushi does not overhear the content of discussion, all three would have gone to the terrace, where the killer hit Hemraj on the head when Mr Talwar had engaged him in conversation. Also the activity of cutting the throat is to ensure that the person dies at any cost
Mr Talwar, before retiring to his room leaves the front door unbolted (which the killer is aware of), to provide an alibi for the police that Hemraj’s murder was an activity of outsider.
The killer after some time realizes the grave mistake he has committed by leaving only
RE:Noida Murder Mystery
by Guest on Jun 04, 2008 01:59 PM Permalink
Continue from my previous message
The killer after some time realizes the grave mistake he has committed by leaving only the other eyewitness alive, and feels that the Father-Daughter Duo could create problems for him and returns back. Aarushi a soft target meanwhile was sleeping and easily killed by the killer in the same manner as Hemaraj. The Talwars could not hear sound since the Air conditioners were on (Nupurs statement). The killer then on his way back bolts the front door to further confuse police.
Today knowing that the killer has killed his daughter, Rajesh cannot expose him since he was coconspirator in Hemraj’s murder and also for the fear of the scandal getting exposed.
As some ppl here suggest the murders were not executed by a professional. I’m sure Talwar is not meant to be a professional.
The signs that the throat was slit and killer going to the extent of finding the blood vessels to make certain death points to the handiwork of a ‘learned’ killer.
A line of reasoning; Hemraj friends (if they were the supposed killers) wouldn’t have gone to the extent of bludgeoning Arushi/Hemraj’s head with a hammer before slitting the throat and then taking time finding the blood vessels to confirm death and finally taking an escape route. The primary objective of a killer would be to run away from the place of crime asap.
Circumstantial evidence – Rajesh Talwar hands-in-glove with one of Hemraj’s friend who used the hammer and Dr Talwar confirming death but the motive is baffling.
RE:Arushi murder
by Punyakumar on Jun 04, 2008 11:28 AM Permalink
Yes the vein is cut to speed up death. The killer or killers took double measure to make sure their victims are dead. The killing is primarily to hide something very personal and a hand of a dentist cannot be ruled our. This particular vein in very important to a dentist. To locate that particular vein, cut it, to drain out blood needs time. Killers in this particular case were not in a hurry. They have taken their time. Not just that they have collected each and every tool that could have served as evidence. If there are no finger prints, suggests the possibility of using gloves by killer/s. Gloves again suggest a doctor. It is a preplanned murder.
RE:I doubt father is killer.
by dakshin on Jun 04, 2008 11:32 AM Permalink
In the world we are living in anything is a possibility. Parents killing children and children killing parents are not totally new and unknown.
CBI found nothing new in all this? CBI is only confirming the earlier doubts of the TV channels and so called opinion mongers. By all that we read and see it on TV we can come to some conclusions: 1) The killing was NOT done by professionals. smears of blood everywhere. There are hand prints on the wall to the staircase and on the wall above the door of the bedroom. A professional would plan and kill only the target and NOT in an haphazard manner.
2)That there are more than one person, and they might be the age of servant Hemaraj because alchohol was taken in his room and there were three glasses. 3)They are definitely known to Hemaraj ,the servant or may be they are his close friends.
4) The crime profiler can say that the murders took place because of extreme passion gone astray. jealousy and dissappointment. When someone is killed for exaample with 60 stab wounds , police look for the victims friends and secreat love,sex relationships.
5) The killers seem to be not only unprofessionals but also uneducated. Gruesome murders are gnerally done by an uneducated criminal rather than an educated killer. 6)There is no guarantee that killer(s) are known to the kid Arushi.But they are definitely known to Hemaraj. 7) The hand prints in blood on the staircase wall are of right hand or left hand? if it is right hand than it was a print while they were climbing up. interrogation of Hemaraj friends hold the key. Killers would be caught by CBI. No doubt.
RE:CBI is confirming the doubts
by V S on Jun 04, 2008 10:39 AM Permalink
Why would Rajesh Talwar have whisky with his servant ? Obviously if the killers had whisky with Hemraj then it can't be Rajesh Talwar as per me.
RE:CBI is confirming the doubts
by Vijaya Prabha on Jun 04, 2008 11:13 AM Permalink
If killing was the motive of that killer he would have killed and gone. Why is he or they have to bother about dragging the body to the stairs, cover it up with cooler cover, lock the stair case again and go. If an outside killer enters a house he will be having the fear too, he will rush out once his work is done. He will first lock the occupants of the room first. Easy access into Arushi's room suggest, the killer was not a stranger at all. First of all teens will not keep their room open. They will latch it from inside - that is a typical teen behaviour. If it was open, she would have been drugged and was not aware of what was happening to her. Killing a person when he is awake generates a lot of struggle and the victim will try to escape by running all over. If it was an outside killer the injury will be random and not a definite pattern. If there is some truth in their jugular vein being cut, it suggests in all probability this killer is a doctor and that too a dentist. That is one vein that is very important for dentists. There are records of most brutal murders committed by highly educated people. Level of education of an individual does not suggest he is not capable of brutality. Most of the dowry related killings are committed by highly educated individuals.
RE:CBI is confirming the doubts
by VENURAJA Bowenpalle on Jun 04, 2008 12:08 PM Permalink
The victims (both of them) throat was cut so deep that it was almost separated from the torso. There was no indication of a puposeful intention to cut a perticular blood vein and there was no specific effort for that alone. A butcher's knife or a Khurki used by nepalese might have been used according to the forensic experts. It was single deep cut by heavy but sharp knife. Killers brought a knife because , a revolver for example would make a terrific noise. A 4 inch width ,8 inch long heavy weapon was used to bang the head of the victims so much so that the skull broke and caved in . This is generally done by the killers when the intention was to silence the victim in sleep or kill them so that victim can not shout or cry. There was no forced entry in to the girl's room which means either it was open or she opened it to a known person(s). But the way her dead body was lying tells that she was sleeping ,which means she did not not lock the door when slept. All this points to servants friends, and persons known to him. Even if killers are Dr.Talwar's friends or relatives with a purpose of honour killing, they would not likely have drinks with him in a servants room. Allowing a servant to live inside the house means he has been a very trusted servant. Surprisingly they do not have a dog.
RE:CBI is confirming the doubts
by Vijaya Prabha on Jun 04, 2008 03:11 PM Permalink
Who knows whether they had drinks in a servants room? Three glasses may be placed to blame the servant. It is unusual of any teenager to be in his/her room without latching. Why was Hemaraj' body hidden? No house will be permitting partying by servants. A scene was created to blame poor Hemaraj. Which they did initially - till the body of Hemaraj was discovered. Why will an outside killer lock the terrace? Why will anyone latch the entry door instead of Dr. and Mrs. Talwar's room. According to Mrs. Talwar she opened the door to her helper in the morning on hearing door bell. The door was also latched from outside according to Mrs. Talwar which is not verified of confirmed. How will someone bolt the door from inside if it was not an insider. It is definitely an insider with the help of an outsider who has done this. No strangers will come to a defense area to murder. There are so many questions that need to be answered by family before claiming to be innocent.
RE:CBI is confirming the doubts
by Punyakumar on Jun 04, 2008 03:23 PM Permalink
Frequent changing of statements and recollections will definitely lead to suspicion. When a murder had taken place in a family - that family will be searching everywhere for clues and this family not going to their terrace is a strange thing. Police have also mentioned, that they were taken to a different terrace initially. If that is true, why were they taken to a different terrace. The behaviour of this family does not fall in line with a normal grief stricken family. All the statements seems to be the handiwork of their lawyers. Talwars' are hiding something from investigations. All will be spilled out once they are subjected to Narco Analysis and Brain Mapping. In one of the interviews with a news channel Mrs.Talwar also says is that the only way to find out truth. If someone is not guilty why should they have reservation about investigations.
Very important to the UP police and CBI is the Situational and Circumstantial analysis of Next Morning of Aarushi’s murder case when aarushi's mother or father saw aarushi is killed were any door which goes to outside was open any outsider entered home from any door or window when one of the parent saw aarushi was murdered if it is clear then you can establish if no one has come from outside all doors were locked and safe then someone insider killed them case is solved. M.N.Manik
RE:Do Situational and Circumstantial analysis of Next Morning
by VENURAJA Bowenpalle on Jun 04, 2008 10:52 AM Permalink
Killer tapped the door, Hemaraj opened the door ,they entered the house,Hemaraj locked the door as a routine and they walked in to Hemaraja's room and sat there. Hemaraj went to the bar used by his master and brought a wishkey bottle and three glasses , for them to drink. They may be his long lost friends ? Close ones of his age.
Second scenario: Killers tapped the door. Dr.Talwar opened the door and they took Hemaraj to the terrace and bumped him off. Now came back, and had drinks in Hemaraj room(very doubtful,considering the blood stains on staircase and drinking in servants room,without any blood stains) and proceeded towards the kid's room and killed her as well in the same gruesome way(doubtful because why such a gruesome murder when someone kills his own daughter? or when helped by relatives or hired killers) her head was almost separated from the trunk probably with a heavy knife , not even a kitchen knife but really heavy) Third scenario: Dr.Talwar alone doing it. Not possible. Since there are more than one person is involved. Talwar's wife is sleeping in the same room. She will wake up.
4th scenario: Kid surprised the killers by encountering them. Now the kid was chased to her room and killed ( not possible because the girl gave no resistance ,probably she was deeply asleep. Why killers should lock the door to the terrace ? Here Dr.Talwar becomes the key suspect. Why the girl was killed ? Here the servant hemaraj becomes the key suspect.
RE:Do Situational and Circumstantial analysis of Next Morning
by Punyakumar on Jun 04, 2008 03:29 PM Permalink
Probably blood stains are thoroughly washed. The killers who have taken enough time to commit 2 murders, also have taken enough time to collect all possible evidences, may also have cleaned the floor. If they were not afraid of killing they were not afraid of cleaning the floor either.
It is most probably Dr Talwar who is the criminal as his body language says so,but Mrs Talwar also is helping him by trying to direct the police away from her husband as she also knows he is the culprit,but why has she no regret on her daughter,s fate.May be their daughter was a stubborn person who got into their way of life style and prefered Hemraj,s company.
RE:Silent criminals are more dangerous........as their motive is also hidden.....
by Anirudh on Jun 04, 2008 02:41 PM Permalink
Otherwise there is no reason why he is not opening his mouth to the CBI. Bcoz any father would want his daughter's killers to be punished. He must be an accomplice if not the killer himself.
RE:Silent criminals are more dangerous........as their motive is also hidden.....
by Jay Subramanyam on Jun 04, 2008 12:49 PM Permalink
Yes, there definitely is nexus between the Dr. Talwar and the killings. For the life of me, I cannot fathom how the husband-wife duo could have slept through the night [as they claim], when two gruesome killings were carried out, with one of them in a room just five feet away from theirs. It just isn't possible.
RE:Silent criminals are more dangerous........as their motive is also hidden.....
by Lokesh Pille on Jun 04, 2008 11:43 AM Permalink
Yes, I am also thinking the same. The first day I heard of this news I came to this conclusion. She might be very close with Hemraj openly. The girl may be more stubborn and may not have listned to her parents. Her father might have thought that she will never listen to them and with frustration might have dicided to get rid off both of them. No doubt her father is the Killer.
If the killer is from outside. Media should have printed all the details by now.
