As the real culprits are at large, they plan and execute terrorist attacks at their will – any time, any place. Rather than taking terrorist attacks objectively, after every bombing and terrorist attack, HuJI, SIMI and Harkatul Mujahideen are blamed by police and intelligence agencies, giving a clear message that Muslims are behind such attacks. What follows then is logical: Muslims are suspected, suspected Muslims are arrested, madrasas are raided, and some maulanas and Ulema are detained. However, within weeks or months most of them, one by one and without telling the media, are released simply because the police have no solid evidence against them. This is what happened after Jaipur serial blasts.
Even though some Hindutva extremists have been arrested in connection with terrorist blasts in Nanded, Parbhani, Tenkasi and Thane, this angle is not taken into account in investigation into terrorist attacks.
Result? Real culprits smile, sit and chalk out next attack. And the vicious circle goes on.
RE:Biased Investigations
by Reformer on Jul 31, 2008 09:03 PM Permalink
continued... If Investigation agencies are competent enough to solve 1993 Bombay blasts – kudos to our agencies for that – then they have deliberately not followed up the leads in the recent blasts. For two reasons. They want to either hide the real culprits or blame Muslim organizations because this is what political bosses, media and public want to hear. One is forced to think that maybe our investigating agencies might have got some clues disclosure thereof was not in the interest of some people or parties. This assumption is not mere assumption. It holds some water.
After all, do you remember what happened to the man named Vijay, a rickshaw puller from Mumbai, who had said after Jaipur bombing that he was tried to be bribed by a woman called Meena in Jaipur? You may have forgotten because you were made to do so. The lead was buried silently.
The threat e-mail warning about the latest Ahmedabad blasts was sent from a flat in Navi Mumbai. The owner of the flat is one Abhishek and flat was rented to an American citizen who is working with a multinational firm in India. The investigation into the lead seems to have been frozen. Moreover, two cars loaded with explosives were found in Surat yesterday. Thirty six hours on, no information about the vehicles and its owner was disclosed.
RE:RE:Biased Investigations
by Reformer on Jul 31, 2008 09:03 PM Permalink
cont'd No doubt the role of security, intelligence and investigating agencies will always be crucial in combating terrorism but their being professional, objective and neutral is a pre-condition.
However, role of community is not less important. In fact their contribution is fundamental. Talk of combating terrorism should regularly feature in meetings among community members and between communities. The religious and civic leaders should hold regular meetings talking about evils of terrorism and communalism and other social evils. Besides, parents should spend some time with their children particularly discussing international and national affairs. Citizens should be aware of their surroundings. When in public places anything that seems out of place should be reported. Police-community relations and communication is also crucial. The police should work with citizen and devise programmes for mutual cooperation in a way that citizens do not feel threatened by the police and thus become their partner.
RE:Shame on Islam
by Arif on Jul 31, 2008 08:54 PM Permalink
If you are threatening us then let me tell you we fear no one but God. If any muslim fears anyone other than God is obviously not a muslim. So your threats appear hollow to us. We dont need to be thankful to anybody, we have not come to India from outside, we dont look like arabs or europeans, we dont speak their language and we are purely indigenous to India. Why should we be thankful to you for something that belongs to us for the period of known history ?
RE:Shame on Islam
by abdul shakib on Jul 31, 2008 08:55 PM Permalink
I guess you are one of those who dont know History..... " Israel had no land... the UK/US gave the Palestinian lands for Israel to settle" and later on with the US might expanded all over.
Wat would be ur reaction if US bombs u and then provides shelter to Jews?
Have any answer?
Boy! better learn somethin ...... or go places to get some knowledge
RE:RE:Shame on Islam
by abdul shakib on Jul 31, 2008 08:56 PM Permalink
To. Mr.Raja Bhayya
I guess you are one of those who dont know History..... " Israel had no land... the UK/US gave the Palestinian lands for Israel to settle" and later on with the US might expanded all over.
Wat would be ur reaction if US bombs u and then provides shelter to Jews?
Have any answer?
Boy! better learn somethin ...... or go places to get some knowledge
RE:RE:RE:Shame on Islam
by babubilei on Jul 31, 2008 09:03 PM Permalink
But why you think about them! Do not bring those to Indian matters. Who is Israel and who is palestein...
RE:RE:RE:RE:Shame on Islam
by Arif on Jul 31, 2008 09:08 PM Permalink
All the best, India belongs to me as much as it belongs to you. Try your best and change the constitution, if you cannot then shut up!!!
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Shame on Islam
by Arif on Jul 31, 2008 09:18 PM Permalink
THEN ASK YOUR BJP TO HAVE YOUR WAY AND FULFIL ITS PROMISES. DONT BARK AT US. IF YOUR HINDU PARTIES FAIL ON ALL ISSUES THEN WHY BLAME US ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Shame on Islam
by Raja Bhaiyya on Jul 31, 2008 09:17 PM Permalink
change is on its way thanks to u psycho cultists we Hindus have realised what the root of all evil is and im sure in the coming time we will observe a sea of change in the outlook of even the "secular" Hindus whose minds have been poisoned by the media using ur classic muslim pallywood techniques of victimisation. India is a Hindu country, it always was and it always will b learn to live with this truth and reform urself.. the kind of hatred u muslims have for Hindus is visible in everyone of ur community.. we r not surprised because u r the followers of a psycho killer who is famous for being a class traitor. As far as the constitution is concerned.. im sure it will have new provisions as we move forward in time.. but one thing is for sure.. we will not let u muslims have ur way and keep killing our innocent Indians just to satiate ur cults desire for a global islamic caliphate.
I am thankful to arif and Satyarathi for sharing their thoughts so openly and meaningfully. Such discussion should happen again.. thats the need of hour.
I can do that as well by sending 180 Indians working in my Dubai Co, back to India. But I dont coz Im a proud Arab.I give opportunities based on their skills n not religion. If that was the case , then not so many Non Muslims from India would be workin in Gulf which provides 50 times better future than what they really have back home.......
RE:Answer to Mr.Ras and other anti Muslims
by Raja Bhaiyya on Jul 31, 2008 09:00 PM Permalink
50 times better future!!?? u must b dreaming O blind arab.
I urge to all muslims not fell pray to the islamic extremists and maintain peace and harmony. Don't try to find the solution to the present day crises in religious books. Present day crises cannot be compared with events or situation mentioned in the books. Majority of the muslim community is uneducated, Hinduism is not responsible for their backwardness. Educated and moderate muslims are making progress. Remember the 1857, how unitedly both the communities fought against the Britishers. Try to convince them about extremism and their effects. Riots were generally initated by the uneducated muslims under the influence of extremists in majority of the riots between the two communities and the entire muslim community suffered due to the riots whether its Godhra, Meerut, Bhagalpur, Mumbai. If we try to find solution to the terrorism in religious books then it means Muslims are excusing Hindu extremism for Babri Masjid demolition.
RE:mm
by Raja Bhaiyya on Jul 31, 2008 08:56 PM Permalink
the only "peace" muslims know is Piece.. pieces of human bodies blown,cut,slaughtered. Thats their core philosophy and u cant blame the bin ladens and the sohrabuddins of this world and call them extremists.. they are the ones following their "religion" in its most pure form. Arif and his like are the hypocrits who just keep preaching equality.. though the hatred he has for us Hindus is imminent in his subdued anger he displays on this message board and im sure given a chance he will b more than willing to become a martyr to claim his 72 houries as written in koran. Dont trust them.. read the koran and u will know the truth about islam and how it has over the ages genetically modified the muslims into a terror loving barbaric cult who love to torture others to death.
RE:mm
by Arif on Jul 31, 2008 08:44 PM Permalink
If you are saying that we should fight the common enemy then you are right, the common enemy are the politicians. Do you think we vote for congress because we believe in their governance ? We dont have a choice. There was a time when I started to believe that BJP is a good party but then Gujarat happened. I cannot vote for them ever. I am ready to vote for a party that declares itself as hindu and says that we will protect the rights all all Indians.
RE:mm
by kabir ahmed on Jul 31, 2008 09:38 PM Permalink
same here...... b4 97-98 i dint know much about politics.... even i was thinking BJP was good. but then gujarat happened... now i will definitely vote for BJP.... but congress.... coz we dont hav a choice......
n yea though i feel manmohan is a better PM.... i still think vajpayee was also a good PM..... BJP doesnt hav anybody of vajpayee's calibre n stature....
RE:RE:mm
by Raja rammohan on Jul 31, 2008 08:52 PM Permalink
see gujarat was from both side.........since last fifty years there been riots in Ahmedabad 100times.........dont just show tht.......muslims are always honest...and dont started//////////even 99 time riots has been started by muslim community..........history of 1000 years are bleeding on indian soil.......and ur just giving lecture on rediff board for muslim and secularism............Hinduism dont want ur foolish advice.........becouse world respect our religion and hate ur religion..........wht in asia.........the poorest community on this earth is Muslim........just pick the book and read........if u ever went to school.......ur just alive on the bread of hindus.........dont forget.......if we were kickoff u in 1947...u might be living somewhere in northwest frotier of pakistani talibani camp........
RE:mm
by Raja rammohan on Jul 31, 2008 08:51 PM Permalink
see gujarat was from both side.........since last fifty years there been riots in Ahmedabad 100times.........dont just show tht.......muslims are always honest...and dont started//////////even 99 time riots has been started by muslim community..........history of 1000 years are bleeding on indian soil.......and ur just giving lecture on rediff board for muslim and secularism............Hinduism dont want ur foolish advice.........becouse world respect our religion and hate ur religion..........wht in asia.........the poorest community on this earth is Muslim........just pick the book and read........if u ever went to school.......ur just alive on the bread of hindus.........dont forget.......if we were kickoff u in 1947...u might be living somewhere in northwest frotier of pakistani talibani camp........
RE:mm
by Arif on Jul 31, 2008 08:57 PM Permalink
You are the most densely populated religion of the world. You have the highest number of illiterates in the world. You go to muslim countries to find work, people from muslim countries do not come to you to find work, I guess that explains everything.
let me correct you, we are going to Arab countries because of our technical skills, knowledge,humane and hard working atitude. we are getting such opportunities in Arabs because they need us and can not do without our help.We are not planting bombs on their soil like u uneducated animals. If they can survive without us they will tell us to leave within 24 hrs. People from muslim countries are mostly dependent on oil being explored and processed by American companies and they are just getting their fair share being fortunate as they are born their, they did not have even capacity to pump oil at their own.What non-sense u r talking of them going to other countries and work, who will accept them.
Yes, u have problems in India but tell me why u r most hated people all over the globe except muslim countries.
You should be thankful to USA they are pumping oil from your land and giving u a fair share. If it had been any other muslim country, it would easily have captured the land and treated u as slaves.
RE:mm
by shailendra lande on Jul 31, 2008 08:53 PM Permalink
Politicians are playing their game for votes and power. Every party is doing the same job. Only educated people understands this game but poor and uneducated fall pray to them. From both the communities during riots, poor and uneducated people are on forefront. They sufferred most. Education, awareness is the need of the hour.
The Indian police, investigation Agencies have by hearted the names of Muslims Groups who work for the betterment of our community.
They tend to blame any incident against these Gruops.
Even for that matter , if there is an Earth quake they may blame them.
Show the concrete proof or evidence.. no body is guilty untill proven guilty.... just like G.Bush's unpopular war against Iraq..has shown the world that this Bushy pig is a deadly species
RE:I dont understand the Indian Investigations
by Subhransu on Jul 31, 2008 08:43 PM Permalink
1. Why u bring Bush's name here. He has not done any harm to India. If he is bombing Iraq, why you bother much.. think about your country.
2. Indian police are suspecting because earlier they have found many incidents. You people are fanatics.
3. Request of the nation - please understand the problem. Do not be biased on religion. They are doing wrong, do not support them.
RE:I dont understand the Indian Investigations
by Raja rammohan on Jul 31, 2008 08:56 PM Permalink
Mr.Abdul half knowledge is always dangerous/////////time si changing fastly and table is turning on indian side........DFL has been called indian labours from dubai to delhi.........as there been tremendous shortage......in project activity.......this is fact since last few months.......as infrastructure is booming in india........and time will speak abt tht
RE:I dont understand the Indian Investigations
by abdul shakib on Jul 31, 2008 09:00 PM Permalink
since when the time is changing ... u mean 1950- till date
RE:I dont understand the Indian Investigations
by Raja Bhaiyya on Jul 31, 2008 09:09 PM Permalink
abdul shakib.. it is a known fact that u muslims wil poke ur nose in every matter where ur co-cultists r involved.. im sure u could b one of the 1 billions muslims around the world who i suspect provides support to all the bin ladens and hamas' of the world.
RE:I dont understand the Indian Investigations
by Ras on Jul 31, 2008 08:41 PM Permalink
You muslims never trust indian police and judiciary, You guys still fell that Afzal Guru and the mumbai blasts culprits are innocents and implicated wrongly.. Do u want the police to catch the terrorist when he is planting the bomb..? Even then you will say he is not a muslim and some body else in muslim disguise. That is the mentality of indian muslims. when You guys dont trust the law of the land then just foff from here.
RE:I dont understand the Indian Investigations
by abdul shakib on Jul 31, 2008 08:45 PM Permalink
I can do that as well by sending 180 Indians working in my Dubai Co. But I dont coz Im a proud Arab.I give opportunities based on their skills n not religion. If that was the case , then not so many Non Muslims from India would be workin in Gulf which provides 50 times better future than what they really have back home.......
The masterminds behind the bomb blasts are Rasool Khan Parti and Mohammad Sufiya Ahmed Patangiya - both, currently residing in Karachi (Farahan Arcade Gulistan). They are originally from Hyderabad in Andhra Pradesh.
Both were from Harkat-ul-Jihad-al Islami, but found Students Islamic Movement of India to be the best hiring ground. They were also responsible for murder of Gujarat Minister, Haren Pandya. The planning was obviously done in Kotli, Pakistan in May this year.
So, these blasts will be watershed in the Indian history - as this is the first time that Indian Muslims became the canon fodder instead of the poor Pakistanis and Bangladeshis who end up in the terror camps across the border. All the folks were sent to UAE for "jobs" and from there to Dubai and then to Muzaffarabad in PoK. That is where they were trained. The report says that they avoided the use of RDX as such a large operation could have been detected with the kind of risk involved in bringing RDX to India. The training thus had a new nomenclature - Alternate Explosions! So, RDX was replaced by Ammonia Nitrate.
No muslim knows what other muslim is thinking, and is planning to do. It has become a community that is suffering from 'acute inferiority complex'. While left behind by the last two centuries, the community seeks the solution in 8th Century doctrine. On the one hand it wants to catch up with the world, it is afraid of losing 'its faith' in an obsolete doctrine. When the pain becomes unbearable, the community hits upon others whom it considers 'non attentive to its pain'.
RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by Arif on Jul 31, 2008 08:17 PM Permalink
well the pain in evident on this message board itself, no need to go and look for the pain anywhere else. Look at this message board and you will know who is in pain and who fears losing faith. Our faith is solid and will remain solid forever.
RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by satyarthi on Jul 31, 2008 08:19 PM Permalink
If not in pain (real or false), why are you killing others, even sometimes your own co-religionists?
RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by Arif on Jul 31, 2008 08:21 PM Permalink
You should answer that question. We condemn terrorists in no uncertain terms. Anybody who kills innocents will rot in hell. We dont elect them as our chief minister. For us these people are outlaws and for you terrorists are visionaries and your leaders. There is a great difference between the two.
RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by satyarthi on Jul 31, 2008 08:24 PM Permalink
Here the discussion is not about 'the socalled visionaries'. The thread is exclusively about the 'muslim community'. it will be a service to humanity, if you help to understand their mind, as you belong to this community.
RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by shailendra lande on Jul 31, 2008 08:44 PM Permalink
really a good and meaningful discussion ever happened on this forum. Thanks both Satyarthi and Arif.
RE:RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by Ras on Jul 31, 2008 08:57 PM Permalink
was this a good discussion , Arif was spitting venom on hindus by saying they hate other and elected terrorists and murderers as leader. Like all muslims he doesnt respect democracy and indian law..
RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by Arif on Jul 31, 2008 08:31 PM Permalink
You should know their mindset better than us. As I said, it is you who celebrate and take pride in terrorist activities. You even elect terrorists as your leaders. You should know their mindset better because they are like you. We condemn acts of violence against any innocent. This message board is witness to the fact that you are suffering from hate, not us.
RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by satyarthi on Jul 31, 2008 08:39 PM Permalink
Thanks for spending time with me. i felt obliged. We will keep on searching for the answer in our own way. khuda hafiz.
RE:RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by satyarthi on Jul 31, 2008 08:33 PM Permalink
Anyway, i have read your 8.08pm thread and appreciate it. It is definitely a good appeal. Even in that appeal, you have requested them to shun 'hate'. My simple question, as I am trying to understand, why they hate the world so 'furiously'?
RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by Arif on Jul 31, 2008 08:26 PM Permalink
our mind is clear, we condemn any acts of violence against innocents, do you ? Ofcource not. You take pride in it. You celebrate it. And here lies the difference between your mindset and our mindset.
RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by Arif on Jul 31, 2008 08:38 PM Permalink
If your parents teach you that stealing is bad, does it mean that you are thief ?
RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by satyarthi on Jul 31, 2008 08:29 PM Permalink
Arif, if your 'our' includes terrorists you should answer my question directly. If your 'our' exclude terrorists, help us to understand their mindset. Please don't evade the basic question.
RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by Arif on Jul 31, 2008 08:36 PM Permalink
Ofcourse even if one man is suffering from hate in my community I will appeal to them to shun hate. I wont celebrate it and join them. Isnt it your duty to always give the right message to your community ?
RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by Ras on Jul 31, 2008 08:55 PM Permalink
Arif, Never ever hindus attacked any muslim country or muslims in the hostory. First of all muslims attacked india starting with Qasim. It is muslims who divided this country in to 3 parts and kicked out all hindus and sikhs from pakistan. thousands of hindus were murdered in peshawar and Noakali at the time of partition. The muslims who stayed in india did not stay due to the love towards the country. Even after 1000 years of living in india you guys still think ur descendants of arabs and not indians.. The pain and all is bulllshit as 99% of riots are started by muslims. You guys deny the history but ur own people like Timur written that how many and how they killed Kafirs. Hindus and hinduism never said any thing about other religions and infact hindus respect evry god and prophet but you muslims never respect any other religion and words like Kafir shows the hatred in you.
RE:Muslims are badly divided community
by Arif on Jul 31, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
Aaah, now you are comparing the system that existed hundreds of years ago to todays system, in that case can you explain why did hindu king Asoka got involved in bloody battles ? That was the system of that time, kings expanded their territories. In this case they happened to be muslims, before that there were hindu kings who did that. That was the system then and you are comparing it with todays system where invasions are considered illegal. Yet some countries invade other countries for stealing their resources.
Crush all Jihadis, Local or Non-Local. Eliminate them at sight, never put in jail. Then Jihadi supporter Congress and NGOs will decorate them as Patriots and awards them with millions of Indian Rupees. Did you forget, the Loskor-e-Toiba woman terrorist was eliminated by the Gujarat Police in encounter, them Sickular Brigades Congress gangs awarded terrorist Mother with millions of dollars and so much public condemnation of Gujarat. Soon, Maharastra Govt released all information about that terrorist's activities, then Sickluar brigades fall silence. So, eliminate all Jihadis, local or foreigners. These mass-murderers deserve no other punishment than eliminating them on sight.
It is evident that there is large scaleinvolvement of localmuslims in these blasts. Local non-muslims should start non-cooperation and total social boycott of muslims the way Gandhi did for british.
