The question that needs to be asked "Is there any Governance in India?" Anyone is coming and killing scores of Indians and we are just sitting tight. Merely protesting is not going to instill fear into the enemies. Daybefore Pakistanis troops enter Indian territory with white flags kill an Indian soldier and walk away & what India does lodge a protest. Why doesn't India become agressive like our neighbours. What will happen if we do the same to Pakistan? How will it retaliate? Are we scared of doing this to Pakistan? Don't we have the courage to retaliate millitarily? According to the defence minister there have been 19 ceasefire violations since Jan 2008. What have we done about it. Hush it up? When the nuclear deal was going on there were the commies saying we need to negotiate with the US as equals. Are we equal? Cause if this would have been done to the US there would have been another afghanistan in Pak. Its Action time folks. Wake up. We are under attack. Our enemies are laughing at our lack of courage and passiveness. Anyone can come an place a bomb and kill hundreds of innocents and not even get caught. in the past 1 week there have been almost 53 bombs found in 3 major cities of India. out of which 30 have already exploded and 23 live bombs found in Surat. When will we wake up. When will we retaliate.
Hello every indian brother and sister, Let me be very clear before i start writing anything. I am an Indian muslim from the state of karnataka. Born and brought up in a small town in karnatak. Let me tell you the Karnataka's past and the present situation. My house is next to a big hindu area. They are all poor hindus daily workers and in the evening most of them come back drunk and sleep. They all belong to waddars, Lingayats, Mochis and kallanwars casts. My father was a higly respected personality for two reasons. 1. He was Eldest among our family who are priests and he used to do Taweez sort of things for free. 2. He was a clean police constable. I remember my child hood days. Every man from that big area never passed without Namaskar to my father if they see him standing in the door or arround there. My father passed away in 2002 after a long illness. till his death it never happened that some one including their cattles have fallen sick in that area and they have not come to my father for a prayer. In his last days he was unable to write. they used to bring loban and get it back from him. When my father passed away I was unable to attend his funeral as I was in gulf. But the eyewitnesses say that Till he was burrried none among that area even had a cup of tea. All noght and the day they were just sitting near my house and were crying. Even today when i go to my native I get the same level of respect as I give them the same amount of respect in return. But I see
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by huzoor ahmed on Jul 30, 2008 11:33 AM Permalink
But I see a great change in the society now. People are rebelious and have a sense of this I am hindu and he is muslim. Where did this sense took birth. We were all living in harmony and peace. it started some where in mid nineties when for the first time In my natice place the trouble erupted. The procession of Ganesh used to pass through the main mosque. They pelted stones and chappals in the mosque during procession and tried to damage the near by properties. later it was learned that they had brought a party from Belgaum and Hubli. Next year again they repeated the same thing but they were heavily paid back by the muslim youths. Since then there was no trouble agin and the system ius going cool. I have few questions. 1. Where did the people of my town got this idea of pelting the stones in a mosque? 2. We all celebrate Muharram to gether. How come these people can spit against muslims? 3. There was a time when if a band party is passing on the road they used to stop bands and maintain silence when they are arround 100m away from mosque and till 100 meters away from mosque. Why it is stopped now. Though no one had told them to stop or questioned. But it was the respect towards the Holiness of the place. I still see this same situation when I am in my area with elderly people. But the youths are so changed now from my neighbouring community that I feel strange. I feel disgusting and some times i feel like crying. Where india is heading? Can we not live in indi
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by huzoor ahmed on Jul 30, 2008 11:38 AM Permalink
Can we not live in india without spreading hatred. I see so many messages here and every where there is venom. My dear young brothers of Old india. Think before you write. Do you think all these political parties are your relatives? Do you think who ever is spreading this hatred is doing good for his own community? Do you think whatever is happening is good? How many of you know what is in QURAN? DId any of you read a sentence from it? If you have not, then where did you learn about all these wrong messages of Quran? My friends, India is not some thing which can be shaken from such coward acts of bombing and creating fear in the hearts of the people. My request to the literate youth is donot fall pray to these politically created situations. Apply your logic and think about such incidents. Look at the possiblities & probabilities. It is impossible for a group to create such terror unless and until that group has political support. I am not naming any one. I am not in favour of any one. I condemn every act of such cowardness where people suffer. Being a practicing muslim if some one asks me to support this act in the name of Islam, The first thing i will do is I will Kill that man. Open up your eyes buddies. No one from us or you wants voilence. Today may be my neighbours house is burning, I cant sit back and rest cause tommorrow it is my turn. It is all power game dear. When a person or a group gets power he or she cant loose it at any cost. Thise who are
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by huzoor ahmed on Jul 30, 2008 11:40 AM Permalink
Open up your eyes buddies. No one from us or you wants voilence. Today may be my neighbours house is burning, I cant sit back and rest cause tommorrow it is my turn. It is all power game dear. When a person or a group gets power he or she cant loose it at any cost. Thise who are power thirsty can do anything to acquire it. We are all common daily bread winners. ALl religion can teach us is to earn our bread and butter in a right and just way and peacefull manner. I beg all of you to think before you write. May your message can create a fire in some one and that some one can become a damager of the society. Never blame the religion. I know my religion and I practice it daily. All of you are literate. You understand your responsiblility. Please be responsible for your actions. May be you can get away with this today. But remember ther is something called GOD who is watching you always. If you want varification of the incidents I can give you the details of the place. May God help my state and bring peace in my country and state.
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by cooumare on Jul 30, 2008 12:01 PM Permalink
u r alking of a perfect world where a few muslim families are living in the midst of hindus, pl. see the scene in muslim majority areas even in india, let 6 out of 10 people be muslims then there is a call for sharia. the kind of muslims who were there 20 ys ago sought to blend into india. todays indian muslims identify with arab and other non indian icons, that is why there are muslims boys being named sadam husein and osama. unless some muslims of your kind take it upon yourselves to deliver these terrorists, their, backers and conspiring mullaha who encourage and indoctrinate these young minds, exaggerating perceived slights, to the police. (remember in the gulf all indian labour muslim christn or hindu are treated like dogs). if right thinking muslims do not deliver these terrorists to the police or at least inform about these persons the blame against muslims will not cease
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by Ambadas Choudhari on Jul 30, 2008 12:13 PM Permalink
Hi Hazoor, Everything agreed, but is it correct for you to say that everything has started with one Ganesh procession? This is what is causing issue. Everything has not started recently. Lets not blame each other who started it. Lets look forward, see the world has changed and respect each other. Be tolerant to those who do not understand what they are doing and bring those who do not want to respect system for punishment through system. Lets not take system in hands. Everything will be right.
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by Ashish Samadhia on Jul 30, 2008 11:54 AM Permalink
All what have you written is very true my brother & i wish all of the Indians start thinking like this.... but clap does not sound from a single hand.... tell me how get rid of people mentioned above like "Sameer Sadiq".... fanatics due to whom how many are lifeless or ... even worse....
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by Avinash on Jul 30, 2008 11:39 AM Permalink
Mr.huzoor ahmed, pl read the reply given by one of your co-religionist to know the reason:
by Wahaj Faridy on Jul 18, 2008 05:47 PM Permalink
You have to be Muslim to understand How Muslims Think.
You keep making lousy theories from outside, and make funny explanations about their thinking pattern.
Get it clear in your Mind:
Muhammed pbuh gave concept of One Ummah Under One Creator. All Muslims across the world, except for few degenerates who enter deal with US/West, actively desire and subscribe for achieving that objective sooner or later. they have nothing to do with any other system unless that system starts to harm them physically or mentally.
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by huzoor ahmed on Jul 30, 2008 11:48 AM Permalink
Mr. Avinash, Thanks for your reply. can you explain what did u understand by the quote " One Ummah under one creator". if you think it should be all muslims under one creator Allah then my friend ytou are wrong. One ummah is correct. We call all the communities after prophet Mohammed PBUH as his ummah. I mean his pople and he will be responsible for their correction. Islam is basically against KINGDOMS. Islam strongly recommneds Secularism. What you are seeing today in saudi and other islamic states is totally the lust and power thurst. They are sitting like kings. It is not islamic law. I am not an outsider buddy. I am an indian. You cant change the mentality if an indian even if he is in heaven. SO CLEAR YOUR MIND AND SEE WHAT I WANNA CONVEY. DONT TAKE IT AS A LOUSY STORY. MAY BE TODAY I AM CRYING. WHO KNOWS TOMMORROW I WILL GATHER 100S OF PEOPLE TO CRY WITH ME AND YOU ARE LEFT ASIDE WITH THE WAY OF THINKING YOU HAVE.
Police could not win the confidence of the masses in last 60 years. Strict laws to create fear in the minds of terrorists are required. We can learn from Australia and US, who do not permit such people to use their soil.
police is beating around the bushes.... the real terrorists are hiding in delhi..... they are mainly located near janpath area..... but sometimes they go to parliament also...of course with concealed identity.... they have already bought the Intelligence Buerau....and getting aid from pakistan and Italy......
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by indian on Jul 30, 2008 11:27 AM Permalink
ya i know hinduism is not the best of the religions...... but the question is "is hinduism the religion which is teaching to kill non-hindus.....is this religion teaching intolerence and violence..."
and it is weird that u say that hindus believe anything in the name of religion.....isn't it a little ironic for u to say while ur ladies still wearing burkas, ur men still following polygamy, ur families still having hell lot of children, ur people still using same pot for toilet and drinking........
i know man that hinduism have its problem but it is not creating problems for others..... the basic thing about any lifestyle is evolution.... the best practice today may not be as good tomorrow....... but distinct feature that only islam has is stubbornness...
Masterminds behind blasts are busy consoling victims, visiting blast sites, giving interviews....etc. Police is arresting innocent muslim youths to save the face. Please don't harass muslim youths in the name of terrorism. Innocent people are subjected to brutal third degree in police remand and made to confess the crime they never committed. Everybody, knows who is mastermind behind these bomb blasts.
I request my Hindu brothers please don't be prejudiced against muslims, you don't know that your so called Hindu organizations are planning such heinous crimes in order to benefit their political bosses.
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by Nadarajan on Jul 30, 2008 11:26 AM Permalink
if bush arrest muslims, you will say it is ability of their IBs. In India, if IB arrest muslims, you will say above words. You ppl. are just burden of this country. In the whole world only one community give trouble that everybody knows. no one is harrassing them
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by Avinash on Jul 30, 2008 11:21 AM Permalink
Mr. Arnold, this is the reply I got from a so-called educated muslim: by Wahaj Faridy on Jul 18, 2008 05:47 PM Permalink
You have to be Muslim to understand How Muslims Think.
You keep making lousy theories from outside, and make funny explanations about their thinking pattern.
Get it clear in your Mind:
Muhammed pbuh gave concept of One Ummah Under One Creator. All Muslims across the world, except for few degenerates who enter deal with US/West, actively desire and subscribe for achieving that objective sooner or later. they have nothing to do with any other system unless that system starts to harm them physically or mentally.
Now pl enlighten us what has the "Hindu organizations" got to do with that.
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by indian on Jul 30, 2008 11:32 AM Permalink
man, u think that may be the police is arresting innocents.... but believe me its not he case..... nobody has a tag of terrorist on his forehead..... if u gotta solve a case, u gotta arrest some suspects....then only u can reach the culprits.... and in this case the people police have arrested have full history of crime....... so whats the harm of interrogating them....... ok u think that only being related to simi doesn't mean that the person is terrorist.... in that case i will recommend u to learn more about SIMI and their objectives..... and also read about the principlas indian democracy was built upon....
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by shailesh Acharya on Jul 30, 2008 11:42 AM Permalink
Why the hell we are ourselves so nervous to consider muslim as the only factor which created this blast. For sure muslim names always comes up (may be because of poverty, unemployement, hypnotisim, etc.)after blast but that doesn't mean that all muslims are culprit. If we have all great actors muslim can we imagine that those are culprit? Obviously not. We can suggest only one thing to everybody that our thoughts are misleaded in these years very much to create confusions and so many factors are involved in every act of crime like money, contacts, passage, power and intention. Hence, it is definately unreasonable to think that this do not have any other religious person involvement. Definately the terrorist name could be muslim,hindu or christian but the person are not human beings but are rascals. And we should ourselves distant from these rascals who do not have their own respectable family which would have given them good education and life. Their family and parents are real culprit of all these and we should never call these people or identyfy these people by religion. I haven't heard any religion give this kind of killing advice. That is why we should agree rascals are rascals not any specific religious rascal.
