How these brainwashed 'criminal minded muslims' can be steered out of clutches of "HA-AMI MUSLIMS"? They take shelter in a muslim dens within knowledges, w of some muslims who claim they are al innocents!Carry out the mission and then flee! Till there is an invention to trace out faces from air /ether they are free and on suspicions many are harassed which causes the wrath of innocents! These creatures along with their shelter givers have no conscience at all! They are "HARA-IS" and so can we brand them as "h-rami muslims"? The preventive sqad will be called 'h m d s s " meaning h-rami muslims detection and smashing sqad" agree? I PLACE THIS PROPOISAL FOR ACCEPTANCE/REJECTION OF THE PEOPLE INCLUDING THOSE WHO CLAIM INNOCENCE!
First of ALL w/o any discussions enact POTA and TADA permanently, the terrorists are here to stay. Create an a separate department for Homeland security answerable to the Ministry of Defence.
What a joke! This useless Patil guy is as effective a hole in the head-through and through. And while at it, he should summon Mayawati, the 'spokesperson and champion' of Muslim sentiments, after all, isn't she the moron who'd loudly proclaimed that the N-deal was expressedly against Muslims. And isn't it a coincidence, that just days after the UPA breezed through the trust vote, which was really a vote on the N-deal, that all these bombings happened? Is it a mere coincidence- really???
Where is TADA and POTA? Bring them back. How can a govt take these laws away? what was the logic behind it? Disgusting. Remember UP blast? SIMI gang was arrasted; but there was high pressure from SP to release them as Amar Singh and Mulayam Yadav had given statement that SIMI is a partriotic party. This party is giving support to Congress now in the name of Nuclear deal.God save India. Plus Congress in the name of UPA... gave 5000 Crores to Muslims... from where they got this money? Our tax money only; right?
I know some of you will not bother paying attention to what I say, simply because my Muslim name. But, it is true that my heart bleeds when I hear about such crimes against humanity. As a practising Muslim, who observes all Islamic duties and also Islamic appearence, I find these terrorists the worst creatures on the face of earth. I am telling you from an insider's perspective that I have heard teachers at Madrasahs cursing these terrorists. This crime, in no way, can be justified according to the right (and mmainstream) interpretation of Islamic texts and laws, then how can a knowledgable Muslim approve of it?
it is simply a war against humanity and in this context against Indians. Let us think how Muslims feel: 1) They cry at the pain of their fellow Indians irrespective of their religious affiliation. (no one can deny that Muslims and non Muslims both are killed in these attacks), 2) but they see hatred, anger or, at least, suspicion in the eyes of their fellow Indians for them, 3) hence, they suffer physically and emotionally and yet they have to live with an added burden of guilt which they never deserve in the first place.
I am not repeating it as a cliche but may be Muslims are not behind these attrocities and if the people who commit these crimes claim to be Muslims, they are not considered Muslims by the mainstream Muslim majority, then in what way Muslims are to be blamed? But one can easily notice that this reasoning will simply go down the drain as always.
RE:Muslims are the wors target of terrorism
by Mohd MurtazaHusain on Jul 27, 2008 08:32 PM Permalink
You see, now you use the same rehtoric as these so called Muslim Jihadis. Religion is and can not be a problem itself as long as it is preferred by individuals or socieites as a way of life and as a way to interact with the divine. But the moment you FORCE other individuals or socities to accept your way of life, it becomes a source of violence. This happens not only with religions but with all ideologies. The world has witnessed this many times in the course of history, such as in French Revolution, Italian Revolution, Calvinist campaign, Communism and so on. Let us not IMPOSE on each other ideologies that are concerned with the Divine.
RE:Muslims are the wors target of terrorism
by Rabri Yadav on Jul 27, 2008 09:30 PM Permalink
Md Murtaza `H ussain! Your sentiments are understood but can you tell me how these brainwashed 'criminal minded muslims' xan be steered? They take shelter in a muslim den with knowledge of some muslims!Carry out the mission and then flee! Till there is an invention to trace out faces from air /ether they are free and on suspicions many are harassed which causes the wrath of innocents! These creatures along with their shelter givers have no conscience at all! They are "H - ramis" and so can we brand them as "h-rami muslims"? The preventive sqad will be called 'h m d s s " meaning h-rami muslims detection and smashing sqad" agree?
RE:Muslims are the wors target of terrorism
by prabhat kumar mohanty on Jul 27, 2008 08:40 PM Permalink
- I can understand your plight. You are getting identified with things that you do not believe in just because of your religion.
If you want to make difference, then simply take a stance.
That : All muslims in India are Indians, first.
And you need to help your friends and neighbours believe this, if they think differently.
Do a simple action :
Encourage our muslim brothers to clap for India when India and Pakistan are playing cricket.
Your journey to reform will start from there.
Well, you surely can say " why me?".
Because, you want to make the difference.
I do not want VHP,RSS,BJP to ask for "Uniform Civil Law".
I want you and your friends to ask for it.
It's your country friend. Demand your your rights.
RE:Muslims are the wors target of terrorism
by Mohd Khalid MurtazaHusain on Jul 27, 2008 09:17 PM Permalink
I truy appreciate your advice. Thanks for at least considering me an Indian (Not many people on this board consider Muslims Indians, which is a shame really as it may only help Muslims feeling distant from their own countrymen). I understand fully how a true Indian may detest the fact that their fellow citizens cheer the players of Pakistan. I admit, it does happen in Muslim settings and I totally oppose it. In fact, I have started this part of my reform campaign already. However, I don't quite understand how Uniform Civil Code matters in this context. Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that first of all Muslims don't have a say when it comes to criminal and civil matters and they abide by the same law as other Indians. In personal affairs they have the provision of Muslim law and even that is for those Muslims who want to opt for that while dealing with matters such as marriage, divorce, inheritance etc. I know many Muslims who never go for the latter even in personal affairs. But, if a community has a set of principles that is practised in a limited sphere, onl if opted for by individuals, what is the harm in it? It does, however, present India in a very good light.
RE:Muslims are the wors target of terrorism
by ihateterrorists on Jul 27, 2008 09:52 PM Permalink
There he goes he is proving again that all muslims are "potential" terrorists. and if we keep continue rational discussion with this fellow he will go out and blast to kill kafirs. Ok man can you do just one thing to prove that you are not a "potential terrorist"? can you tear off that page in kuran which says "kill the kafirs whenever and whereever you find them".....! No you can not. and so to me there is no difference between who are putting kuran in action (active terrorists) and those who are defending kuran by one or other stupid argument (passive terrorist). U R A PASSIVE (potential) TERRORIST. But you guys days are numbered man....pota is comming and so is GUJCOC. u r gonna get screwed up.
RE:Muslims are the wors target of terrorism
by prabhat kumar mohanty on Jul 27, 2008 09:47 PM Permalink
- Friend, all these happenings are temporary.
Like some bad hindi film music during 70's ( sorry Bappi Lahiri )
We will have young leaders who will not be carrying baggages from the partition days.
These young leaders would change the face of India.
Do you really think people who are abusing are very strong on convictions?
No. They just follow mob-psych. Shout from behind. This board also provides them that cover.
So, keep your heart and head in place. We all need to brave through this rotten phase.
You know in India we have so many communities. Castes and sub-castes. Each one has some unspoken rules and laws passed down from time immemorial. Imagine if each one of them follow their own set of religious / caste rules and laws, then how chaotic life would be !
What I mean to say in brief is that in modern society, the majority of our life should be governed by a common set of social laws of the land.
We must not hide behind our own set of rules and bring in a new interpretations.
Since you appeared friendly, let me ask you something.
How can a father-in-law rape the daughter-in-law, force the husband of the ill-fated lady to be called her son?
Instead of punishing the F-I-L, how can we separate the poor couple?
And worst part, no muslim intellectuals, IAS officers, Film writers, actors, scientist raise voice against this religious diktat !!!
all the seculars were after the BJP, and liquidated the POTA act, andnow Hindus are targetted , and we have Iftars with many communal and ISI supporters, why dont we see muslims parties, the SP/Congress/ MIM/DMk helping in flusing out the anti nationals from our midst, they fear the so called muslim back lash, forst they create divide between the hindus and muslims, and now fear the more violent muslims, than the sobre hindus, becuae they are divided, the hindus are only united with BJP and leadrs like advani/modi/togadia.those who the nation are on this path and most take the short cut safe oppurtunist path
we strongly codemn this blast. we won't the let them to succeed. We will fight. These are the efforts of anti-national elements. I uge to people to keep harmony and assure them Govt will do the best and will take the efforts to make the situtaion normal.
RE:this blast is highly condemnbale
by mahendra sapa on Jul 27, 2008 08:03 PM Permalink
You forgot the mention parties that will be taking place at "Secular" leaders private residence.
Poor Mr Patil,What can he do. Half of the intelligence is out protecting the VIPs of India to name a few Sonia Gandhi,Rahul Gandhi,Priyanka Gandhi their kids and Pets.Mr Manmahon Singh goes to Srilanka with a Battalion.Laloo needs protections so do his 11 Children.Sharad pawar needs protection so does his daughter.Its really a pity that we provide security to this people who say India is a safe place and there is no terrorism.Hail the President and congress party to pardon AFZAL GURU.
RE:rvi12
by rangdebasanti on Jul 27, 2008 08:15 PM Permalink
congress has spoiled this country by consistent attempts for over 60 years. High time to throw them off. their only motto is to hang on to power. no other ideology. MMS govt is trying to implement all good things started by NDA; like Nuclear Deal, Railway Reforms, privatisation etc.
RE:rvi12
by joe menezes on Jul 27, 2008 07:02 PM Permalink
Mr. Rahul, we can request the PM for your security or else we can keep u in the cage and then you will be safe. People like you and the communial BJP do not need security. The best place for you guys is CAGE so that the communial seeds do not spread within the country and thats more dangerous then the terrorist.
RE:rvi12
by Pradip Tank on Jul 27, 2008 08:03 PM Permalink
OTHER POLITICAL PARTIES ARE AWARDED the title of 'SECULAR" even though they act partial towards so called religious minorities of this country all the time,why BJP is called communal! Think over Joe menzes
RE:rvi12
by rangdebasanti on Jul 27, 2008 08:11 PM Permalink
joe, make sure that you don't speak it out. Hindus have very high toleration; but when they lose it, you better run for cover. Don't forget you are in a land, which is originally belongs to us. We have let you stay; that does not mean that you will act smart..
RE:rvi12
by Rohit Bhatia on Jul 28, 2008 01:55 AM Permalink
Menezes, you have some guts. Anything anti hindu is secular, and even justified needs of hindus are communal? Not Mr.Rahul, but you should be caged.. Being partial for any community is communalism. So, is saving Afzal Guru because he's from a community 'SECULAR'? All terrorists should be hanged, better, in public, where mobs can letch.. and teach all of them a lesson... they can't be provided protection by state just because their community votes for them.. You're spreading hatred by not condemning the culprits and making accusations against hindus. Are you some joe menezes or some paki sitting in a stinking Karachi cyber cafe?
RE:rvi12
by VM on Jul 27, 2008 07:13 PM Permalink
'Communal BJP' eh? Nice. For a typical convert spewing contempt for Hinduism 24 hours and working for your white masters, you have some nerve calling outraged Hindus communal.
RE:rvi12
by Pashupatha on Jul 27, 2008 07:18 PM Permalink
you converted idot,you and your brothers are fighting in Ireland!!! for what??. Teaching us what we have to do.SHUT UP
RE:rvi12
by Chander Malik on Jul 27, 2008 06:08 PM Permalink
So you want to say, if intelligence of a country protects VIP then it can not protect country ? FYI intelligence do not protect VIPs. It provides its feedback and input to security forces like NSG, CISF, STF commandos when there is threat to their life. When you become a minister you will also like to protect your childs. Problem here is local network intelligence which is not working. Intelligence, police, govt does not keep any record who is living in a local area, from where he is coming and going. They need to verify each person even he is a normal civilian. We do not have left any other way. We need to act same every time what we do after blast i.e. make searches, get sniffer dogs etc. Then only perhaps we could avoid such incidences. Otherwise bhagwaan hi maalik hain..
The Home Minister of India has faced so many terror attacks in the recent past. Hre was a speaker of the loka sabha. Where is the time for the Home Minister,Prime Minister, Sonia to take care of the citizen from any terror attack. They are interestdd in retaining the power only, by any means. Granting compensation will not definately an answer for the life of innocent people killed in the terror attacks. The present Government is playing double game to grab the votes in the next election and their aim will be of no meaning and use.They have fooled the public and the result will be out in the forthcoming Lokha Sabha Election
RE:As above
by Jo Ho on Jul 27, 2008 05:24 PM Permalink
You're not understanding ... holding the Mashnad of Delhi is no simple job. That's top priority otherwise who'll sign the 123 or NPT whatever? Some umjanta are killed but what's big thing in it? For the sake of this great country, we need MMS or Sania - else the people here will be like orphans.
RE:As above
by Ramesh Kapoor on Jul 27, 2008 05:34 PM Permalink
Come again - what are you talking about? These are two different - N-Deal will not stop terrorist attacks. With MMS and Sonia India is already an orphan.
