did not you think dalit. when you voted for aganist party.you got the sit based on reservation.you dalits live based on reservation,you dnot have competition spirits like upper caste.now why are you crying dalit/
RE:dalit vote bank
by Logo on Jul 24, 2008 06:15 PM Permalink
Competetive Spirit upper class your ass !! The dalits were discriminated for nearly 4000 years by the caste system which favoured Brahims !! And look waht happened to India ...we first went under Arab and Persian ruleers and then were raped ans stripped by the british.... The Dalits are the real power of India and Affirmative action to get them in power is the right way to go... If that hurts a few Brahmin Upper Highly previlged people like you we're sorry suck it up and go your way !!!
RE:RE:dalit vote bank
by desi on Jul 24, 2008 06:27 PM Permalink
I am neither upper class or lower class... Any help should be based on economic condition of the family. If your family has gots jobs and education for 1 generation, u can help the next generation without the help of the reservation....U dont study, dont work but for generation u just want reservations... thanks.. to our forefather and their shortsight.... india will never progress. We r so divided by caste, religion... we cant get above it.... no matter even if the person is right or wrong... just cause he is from same caste we support him...WE indians dont deserve democracy... cause we dont know the value of it....
In india whatever the issue occurs, first media like rediff always HIGHLIGHTS CASTE or RELIGION. it's just a MP voted against his party. but so much of Caste colors are added to it by that MP (trying to get Sympahty.....!!!) and these REDIFF is putting it as headlines which will provoke some sections!! i request rediff not to do this!!
RE:u rediff.. dont hilight CASTE based or religion based issues
by Bharat Prashar on Jul 24, 2008 05:49 PM Permalink
Come on be serious and give rediff some credit. rediff does NOT ALWAYS highlight the caste or religion in its stories. Never come across the terms like TWO COMMUNITIES ( Hindus versus some others), A PARTICULAR COMMUNITY (generally an euphemism for non-Hindus versus Hindu victims)etc. in the rediff articles? It is called "secular orientated reportin".
RE:u rediff.. dont hilight CASTE based or religion based issues
by Logo on Jul 24, 2008 06:19 PM Permalink
Its a clear Case of a Dalit Issue.... India ias actually being ruled by Upper Caste People and not the Mass people.. who are Dalits !! Actual progress in our country will take place only when the Dalits are empowered ...its a fact ..The IT boom and all that will not help India ... Western Nations will pack their bags and laeve India the moment India becomes too competetive... or when they find a cheaper Base... The Dalits have to be empowered... We need people like Mayawati however paranoid and crazy she is ...we need her to get India going!!
RE:u rediff.. dont hilight CASTE based or religion based issues
by seenu on Jul 24, 2008 06:44 PM Permalink
Go and lick maya's feet... you will be enlightened. you are still in 2000 BC.. rather than asking for casteless and equal society, you are supporting your own benefits...
A reputed media entity like Rediff should not interpret the usual political disciplinary actions in terms of caste discrimination.
Further action on AKN at this stage is not logical particularly that there has been news that his initial vote against the UPA was taken into account and not the other slip that arrived later.
This article should appear following a confirmed news of AKN voting in favour of the UPA and TDP not taking any action after that news.
RE:News that provokes caste feelings
by Logo on Jul 24, 2008 06:21 PM Permalink
Bull..its clear case of Castism in TDP... Only the rich and Upper caste can surivie in TDP !! We should make sure these people never come back!!
But more than that I question the very uprightness of a 'whip' issued by any party for that matter on any issue. A whip is a dictatorial tool of the party high command which in principle claims to believe in democracy, but in practice , by using the whip defeats that very purpose. If any MP strongly feels for an issue, so be it. Tommorow, going by the same logic, why should not the Govt. impose emergency just because it feels the people are going to vote it out in the next election ? So 'charity begins at home'. Let all parties abolish 'whip' and then it will bring a sense of democracy within the party and hence in the country.
RE:I question the role of a whip in a democracy...
by Bharat Prashar on Jul 24, 2008 05:39 PM Permalink
Party whip is a part of the democratic process especially in a country like India where electoral set-up actually recognises the party system. If there were to be no party whip then India with such a large proportion of unscrupulous MPs might have a change of government every weeks well as the elections much more frequently. It will an open invitation for parliamentary anarchy and indeed be a recipe for disaster.
RE:I question the role of a whip in a democracy...
by Rajesh Shetty on Jul 24, 2008 05:54 PM Permalink
Dont forget it was the BJP which started the nuclear process, but opposed it just for opposing it. Now tell me was not that unscrupulous ? In fact India would be better off without party system, let all candidates contest as independents, and then let the majority opinion prevail in parliament. Else there is nothing wrong in dictatorship that way. Remember a good dictatorship is better than a bad democracy. And talking of anarchy, there is already enought of it even with this system. It has only encouraged boot licking on one side and chair pulling dissidents on the other side. So let the parliament function for 5 fixed yrs come what may, and the leader be chosen for a fixed term of 5 yrs. Thats a better way to avoid this present farce.
RE:I question the role of a whip in a democracy...
by Bharat Prashar on Jul 24, 2008 06:11 PM Permalink
I wont nothing to add to your comments about BJP and the nuclear process as you put it. So you would have all independent MPs and a fixed term of 5 years and the leader chosen for the full term? Do you really think that in that scenario any contentious legislation no matter how important or trivial will actually will actuall get passed. Fixed term of the house as well as the leader will not stop the elected representative from behaving in an obstructive manner an explaining it away as voice of their inner conscience. Untill a few decades ago Italy used to have some along those line (fixed tern for the parliament)and some governments only used to last only weeks. Italy at that time was laughing stock of the western world. Whip as the term suggests is a tool of discipline and in case of indiscipline a tool of punishment. As for as your ideas about dictatorship less said the better (though I am told that during the Emergency (the brief taste of a mild version of dictatorship in India) "trains did run on time" and "there was much less overt (but a lot more covert) corruption". But some people, especially the old ones, will also proclaim that things were much better under the British!!!!!
You are insulting our total andhra pradesh people. before you written the head lines first you read all telugu news papers for correct information. why you are encouraging caste feelings in your head lined.
Dalit or non-dalit he has not followed the whip of the party so he derserve to be booted out like any other party has done to their MPs who defied whip. why do you day dalit MP. stupid headline.
RE:RE:Do not bring caste factor here
by Guest on Jul 24, 2008 05:48 PM Permalink
if its not a caste and Cash factor....why Mr. Babu is not expelling Mr. Adikesavulu Naidu from his party??? TDP and Mr. Chandra Babu Naidu are against Dalits... They never treat tham like humans... If MR. Nara chandra babu naidu really wants Ms mayawthi as PM...... why he is behaving like this... he is against dalits.. Poor people.... Farmers.... Thats y we hate TDP
RE:Do not bring caste factor here
by Eraser on Jul 24, 2008 06:13 PM Permalink
Who told you that adikesavulu voted for UPA? Jagannatham agreed he voted UPA and openly went to meet sonia...even TDP is shocked by his behavior. TD knows that adikesavulu was going to vote for upa but they could convince him not to do so in last minute!
RE:Do not bring caste factor here
by Rajesh Shetty on Jul 24, 2008 05:29 PM Permalink
But more than that I question the very uprightness of a 'whip' issued by any party for that matter on any issue. A whip is a dictatorial tool of the party high command which in principle claims to believe in democracy, but in practice , by using the whip defeats that very purpose. If any MP strongly feels for an issue, so be it. Tommorow, going by the same logic, why should not the Govt. impose emergency just because it feels the people are going to vote it out in the next election ? So 'charity begins at home'. Let all parties abolish 'whip' and then it will bring a sense of democracy within the party and hence in the country.
