Why only nuclear power? I recently saw a program in National Geographic Channel.Where one guy produced power using solar heat.I repeat SOLAR HEAT.Not using Aluminium plates.. In some hundred of acres of land he placed mirrors with slight curvature in line, one adjacent to the other, all focussing on a pipe which is placed parallel to the mirrors at the point of convergence(I dont remember the exact name what it is called.But it is the point on which all rays that are reflected from those mirrors will be focussed). In that pipe flows some oil.Which is heated to around 600 degree C, that circulates through the pipe n heats up the water, producing steam n in turn power.. Its only one time investment.. No need to pay for the fuel needed for the plant.. Why can't India place them in places like Rajasthan where we get a lot of heat??!!.. There are researches going on to store the heat produced at day time to store n use it at night for 24 hrs power production.. They showed some salt that is used to store the heat in liquid form at around 400 degree Celsius that solidifies on cooling down by heating the water. This project is done in USA itself. First done on 1991. But due to low cost of coal plants which need just a furnace n subsidised coal made those plants popular.. But now Solar Plants are finding ground.. Why can't such projects be implemented???? He with only one project is producing 18,000 MW power right now.. which is added to US power grid..
BJP Was OK with NDEAL with some Amendments to it....specially the one which makes INDIA Dependent on other countries for its Nuclear initiatives and all this debate/trust vote was because of that.....
But never tried to negotiate the N_DEAL Clauses with US why???? had they did they could have sailed thru.....
REASON is to prove BJP wrong with the cost of Nations Dependency on N initiatives
Watching news on a local TV channel here in the U.S.A., it appeared from the remarks by the Americans, that the deal may be already dead, and will be subject to new negotiations when the next President gets elected and the new Congress gets elected.
RE:N-Deal is may be a dead deal!
by ANAND TEERTHA on Jul 24, 2008 09:07 PM Permalink
Yes! But UPA's swift action was only to satisfy BUSH and his agents within the UPA government- Sonia/Manmohan/ Chidambaram and Montek !!!
RE:N-Deal is may be a dead deal!
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jul 24, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
may be a good point. BUSH may not be risking signing an important deal like at the end of histerm and may leave to new president. Thats the exact reason why even in India, there were apprehensions for the kind of rush and speed this govt is showing to sign this deal.
The main purpose is to divert the people from the increasing price rises, increasing inflation and then trumpet itself that they tried hard to make the deal and time passed away, So give another chance so that we can sign this deal. Typical Congress high drama.
RE:N-Deal is may be a dead deal!
by Abhi Bhat on Jul 24, 2008 09:24 PM Permalink
Hey dumbo, what risk is that for bush? He is leaving and usa has only to gain gain and gain. Our nation is sold. Congress is sold. People have been betrayed. Nation of Slaves. Hate India for allowing this thing to continue. We will need to blow up the parliament and start clean.
RE:N-Deal is may be a dead deal!
by RAVEENDRAN on Jul 24, 2008 09:09 PM Permalink
This Mr.MMS also knows.But what prompted them(CONG.)in going with the deal just before election is that they have to shift the peoples attention from internal politics and economics.
Whatever the effect of the N-deal in future, one thing is sure that few things are just exaggerated. It is shame on our all political parties that they did not understand the manipulated price rise drama of oil and food grain by USA. Only day after the govt. won the trust vote, oil price came down? How it is possible? We will see everything will be eased out, because it was just manipulated. Even, India has not still signed the documents. It was possible because everything was manipulated. US was trying to create hypothetical situation so that people would believe there is no future for India if they do not sign the agreement now. What is need for such urgency. Truth is that US economy is in such a low that they need something to survive. Huge amount of money is involved in projects related to nuclear power and they are just eying for it. If India does not sign the deal, US will be affected more than India. Indian government could have left the decision for the next government, by that time even we could have bargain more from USA. Instead of doing so, UPA government was so in a hurry that they did not hesitate to break all records of dirty politics. People will remember Dr. MMS for this deal as well for the his all misdeeds.
RE:What would have happened!
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jul 24, 2008 08:59 PM Permalink
Oil prices can not be manipulated by only USA and it cant act dramas only for INdia. Dont be so synical and so attracted to USA saying that wtever USA do is for INdia only. :)
RE:What would have happened!
by JSIN on Jul 24, 2008 09:10 PM Permalink
sorry dear, you did not understand my text. I am truly Indian, not American lover. Even, Indian FM told that oil price rise was based on speculations.
RE:What would have happened!
by thebedazzled on Jul 24, 2008 10:32 PM Permalink
someone plz tell this upa dasta watever that US is the biggest contributor to oil speculation business with major govt organizations and the bankers like goldman sachs and ML etc investing thousands of millions into this dirty game of commodity speculation business which is one of the few bad things of Capitalism. It breaks the lifeline of middle class in every aspect including shortage and price hike. RBI cant control inflation if it fuelled by this business. In India, commodity market has initiated the food and other related articles' prices to sky high level and that is THE ONLY bad thing which Left ever opposed. Otherwise they only oppose progressive steps
RE:What would have happened!
by RAVEENDRAN on Jul 24, 2008 09:12 PM Permalink
It is hard to believe that USA is very much sympathetic with Indian energy problem.
RE:What would have happened!
by JSIN on Jul 24, 2008 09:16 PM Permalink
They are not concerned about Indian power crisis. They are only concerned about their economy. That is where we do mistake. We should remember that US never look at others if they do not have any bussiness, I mean benefit. It was proved many times in the past.
RE:What would have happened!
by anand kallapur on Jul 24, 2008 09:39 PM Permalink
There are about 80 MNC s supplying Nuclear Energy Industry suppliers in USA, who celebrated the winning of Trust Vote in India!!
So, there u are!! They are ready to loot / rape India under the guise of Nuclear Energy Contractors(MNCs), for the next 25 years or even more. Get ready Congies, for the commission payments from these companies .
RE:bush rewards UPA's n-deal support by upgrading pakistan's f-16s
by rajeev bhatia on Jul 24, 2008 09:07 PM Permalink
shut up u idiot..Shame on you...first of all learn something about international business before commenting against MMS. You are a free man today because of his reformation in Indian foreign policy in 1991. Just because he is a soft man, doesnt mean he is chakkaaa or something. This is no sunny deol movie, where you will shout and all will be frighetened. MMS has proved many times that he has an thinking machine on his shoulders. Stop criticizing and do something for the counry. Very easy to call bad names. look at yourself, think about the whole of your life. Write here atleast one ggod thing you have done for the country. Stop calling names and do something for the country.
RE:bush rewards UPA's n-deal support by upgrading pakistan's f-16s
by thebedazzled on Jul 24, 2008 10:38 PM Permalink
N deal will help one day ur kids to study. One day ur old mother wud require AC or surgery in Hospital. She will get full power hopefully. Even nuclear medicine wud be spreading. U might know there are some nuclear substances required in medicine. I have seen villages where there is no electricity. They dont know abt Pak or China but want to go to city coz they know city is better with electricity. Now ur concern is valid. F 16 wud be used against India one day. What makes u think that our Sukhoi's will not fly that day. Why u think Prithvi is not depolyed near Paki border (location does not matter). I know UPA is bad and I know u must be hurt. But as a sincere Indian and human being think. Think and dont argue before u reach the conclusion. I know once u reach there, there wud be no arguement.
thats wt asked for and why the people were against the deal. Instead of convincing and explaining and answering people's mind, Govt went for Personal prestige and made the left to go against the deal. Pure miscommunication from Govt's side. so far it argued that Hyde ACt dont apply to India and Now it realizes it applies and going for other steps.
this is biggest of all problems and the main reaosn for so many people's objections on this deal. we are putting our civil nuclear reactors on safeguards in perpetuity, while china can anytime withdraw and submit. us can come and insepect our civil nuclear reactors anytime like it is threatening iran and syria, while china negoriated and said we dont show you. so why cant the govt wait and negotiate and why it is in rush?
Now that they realize this issue, going for ammendment. We would have saved 1000s crores of tax payer's money avoiding that trust vote.
RE:WASTE OF MONEY
by Nitesh jain on Jul 24, 2008 08:31 PM Permalink
I agree with you completely. It was a prestige issue of MMS nothing more than that.
I would wait, what abhishek manu sanghvi has to say on this. He was crying on all the TV channels that Hyde act is not applicable to india.
RE:WASTE OF MONEY
by Jeet Janardanan on Jul 24, 2008 08:43 PM Permalink
Hope u guys didnt read it correctly. Hyde act is not applicable to India. But to show you fools in paper, govt has to amend it.
RE:WASTE OF MONEY
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jul 24, 2008 08:58 PM Permalink
So, govt is doing it for the sake of doing it? Why cant it stay on his line that HYDe act dont apply to India? They got some danger feelings and doing it. No govt will do a law for the heck of it.,
By the way, calling others fools only tells ur culture. if somebody is wrong and if you have enough info, share it .
RE:WASTE OF MONEY
by thebedazzled on Jul 24, 2008 10:50 PM Permalink
u guys forgot what we did to Enron in Maharashtra Dabhol? It acted smart, we dint give any money to them. same we will do to any company which acts smart
Sounds good. So now, whatever apprehensions any party had on Hyde act should be addressed and they should support the govt. in its endevours. Unfortunately they don't because you cannot admit to your vote bank MMS has done a good job. The commies and the chaddi gang need to spread false propaganda to win votes. So.. it'll be life as usual. Good show MMS!
RE:Right move by the govt.
by guru on Jul 24, 2008 08:29 PM Permalink
Congress has done worse than even Britishers who were atleast open in their goals of making money in India and making their own country rich. Atleast they pitied India and brought some developments. Atleast when they were around China or any other country couldn't dareto take our land. But our own people have brought us to point of no return. With partial of original Indian land, nieghbours as enemies, no food, no water, no electricity, no roads. Even BDesh enters our borders and has killed BSF soldiers sometimes and caretoo hoots if India demands its terrorsits hiding in Bdesh.
RE:Right move by the govt.
by Pravin Deolasi on Jul 24, 2008 08:42 PM Permalink
While nuclear deal may be good and all partys need to support, MMS is not necessarily doing a good job. NDA govt had done a better job (carried out economic reforms with more vigour that MMS, undertook ambitious projects for country's interest, computerised many govt departments minimising scope for corruption, division on cast lines was at its minimum) - though not perfect.
Government is only accepting BJP's stand now. All the tamasha could have been avoided if MMS had accepted BJP's stand earlier. Afterall, for MMS country's interest does NOT come first. He has scrapped NDA govt's many welfare, development schemes like linking of rivers. He had also scrapped nuclear deal (initiated by NDA) initially just because of hatred for BJP, but later on saw a point in it for his own political and corporate interestsn, not because of countriy's interest. Also he had delayed going ahead with the deal so far just to save his government, again not for country's interest.
RE:Govt is accepting what BJP had been saying.
by Sriram R on Jul 24, 2008 08:28 PM Permalink
MMS and political and corporate interests - Huh!! Anyway it is a wonderful oxymoron
RE:Govt is accepting what BJP had been saying.
by drax on Jul 24, 2008 09:22 PM Permalink
Abey idiot thats what BJP said then and Govt didnt agree. But now the about turn. If it had agreed then itself all this chaos could've been avoided.
RE:Govt is accepting what BJP had been saying.
by Keki Elavia on Jul 24, 2008 08:25 PM Permalink
Would the BJP idiots have been able to seriously understand what the Government was trying to convey?
