Giving jammu & Kashmir special status and harbouring jehadi elements. All hindus have been thrown out of kashmir but no one in the communal media or islamic congress gives a damn.
Congress also created Punjab and North east insurgents to help them in elections. Now they are in the grip of ISi which is the basically the same as islamic congress. Both support jehadis.
Bhartiya Jhooti party is nearing its end. Its PM candidate is a big power hungry joker ... he doesn't know what he is saying ... sometime criticizes Pak then praises Jinnah The only part agenda in communalism - which has no place in the India we want see in future After Advani there will be leadership crisis ... it has no new generation intelligent leaders It will be a Herculean task to take on Rahul gandhi, Sachin Pilot, Dayanidhi Maran, Jyotiraditya Scindia in future. Its only new generation hope was Pramod Mahajan's son ..who become a drug addict all roads lead to end of BJP soon
RE:BJP nearing its End
by Ramanath Babu on Jul 23, 2008 05:40 PM Permalink
Jinna was a highly educated and secular person. When India got independence, Nehru wanted to be the Prime Minister of India and Jinna too had an eye on this chair. When Jinna insisted Gandhiji gave in, but Nehru was not ready to come down. Jinnah then felt that the only way left is to divide this country into two on religion basis, so that Nehru can become the PM of India, and he can become the PM of te then still to be borne country Pakistan. He incited his fellow muslims and rest is history. He never followed islam strictly, he only wanted to become leader, and if God had given him a lengthy life, perhaps, Pakistan would not have become an islamic state, but a secular country since he was not a mulla type.
Advani is perhaps the most misunderstood person, or perhaps our media wanted it to be so.
RE:BJP nearing its End
by Rationalist on Jul 23, 2008 06:15 PM Permalink
Actually Congress knows the truth. But they are the ones who do'nt like secular muslims & never cared to acknowledge this fact.
RE:BJP nearing its End
by joseph j on Jul 23, 2008 05:15 PM Permalink
did any of you hear omar abdulla's speech or read it?? My guess is no... you wouldn't even understand anything other thn religion... go ahead keep fighting and do let me know which religion won in the end k? lets see whose god is more powerful..
RE:BJP nearing its End
by John Thomas on Jul 23, 2008 05:09 PM Permalink
what can be expected from islamic congress. It will take all decisions in favour of Jehadis.
RE:RE:BJP nearing its End
by Milind on Jul 23, 2008 05:03 PM Permalink
Add your name also to the names of Raul manyo/Khan and his chamchas you mentioned you traitor... we have to fight your kind of elements also to stay in this country if our next generation wants to live in peace... you pakistani...
RE:BJP nearing its End
by Riten on Jul 23, 2008 07:06 PM Permalink
Sorry, after Rahul Gandhi, haven't read of the other so called "leaders" you mentioned. But isn't congress only the gandhis and chamchagiri.
RE:Jinnaha is Secular
by The Leader on Jul 23, 2008 04:58 PM Permalink
What ADvani said in Pakistan Parliament was that Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be a secular state, and he himslef personally believed in it. By saying this, Advani had actually pointed out to the parliamentarians of Pak, that their present condition was nowhere near what their founder had envisaged. There is nothing wrong in praising a dead enemy if it can score some brownie points over the present enemy. But unfortunately, the present leaders of Sangh parivar are a useless, conceited lot. They are all younger than Advani, and junior to him in stature. They were waiting for an opportunity to show their power over him, and jumped at this opportunity, and thereby completely turned the meaning of the statements. From all his interviews, statements, and public speeches, Advani comes across as a honest, intellegent, and patriotic man. I pray to God that he becoms the next PM.
RE:Jinnaha is Secular
by Milind on Jul 23, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
True,
But all that you have mentioned here will not be read in right light, only the words which can be read against the Hindu community and its leaders will be used in the years to come and there you will find many of the Indians supporting such attempts to contaminate the Hindu interest in Hindusthan...
RE:Jinnaha is Secular
by rohiet on Jul 23, 2008 04:55 PM Permalink
jinnah was indeed secular before 1938...but when he saw how Nehru-Gandhi avoided Bose and Sardar Patel, he knew he had to do something also he was under the influence of Allama Iqbal who want a 'Muslim Autonomous Region' within India...but Gandhi simply refused it.
RE:Jinnaha is Secular
by Rationalist on Jul 23, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
What Advani had told is perfectly right. Mr.Jinnah was a pork eater & a drunkard both of which are probibited in his religion. And hence he is not communal. Further he was known to crack jokes at muslims & Mohammed in parties. Any muslim who is not religious is secular& that's what Advani meant.
RE:BJP Hope
by Milind on Jul 23, 2008 04:57 PM Permalink
Why do we need to be blackmailed over these potent issues in Hindusthan? if a green toads fights for a dead structure with all the venom and vengeances in their heart and create insecurity in other peoples mind. You so called pseudo secular dirtballs do not mind that and support them saying it is a matter of religious faith for them?
Why our serious harmless religious demands look foolish and old fashioned to you?
At this rate one day touching feet of elders will sound so much against the green faith to you that you will ban it in India...
RE:BJP Hope
by manish rai on Jul 23, 2008 04:52 PM Permalink
Then let the Congress and Italian question all the Gods , destroy evryting you have faith in. If they have the balls , challange them to do so with any Allah or Jesus ??
The major difference with cpi(m) and others is there in the party structure itself...Somnath would be dealth with..make no mistake of that..and indiscipiline will not be tolerated..did anyone came for left vote.. and that is the difference..Left stand for ideology..and make no mistake.. we rule 3 states and will rule more..and the people of these states are not ignorent...and we know how to take care of the people.. paid writers please mind your own business....
RE:Left stand for ideology..and make no mistake.. we rule 3 states and will rule more..and the people of these states are not ignorent..
by joseph j on Jul 23, 2008 05:21 PM Permalink
left's ideologies.. in 1999, computerisation:- computers would reduce work, it would increase poverty , hence left will fight it... wht happened is history... ideology is good.. but you need to evaluate it and keep reevaluating it... if you dont know marx and Lenin are dead and gone.. china is not actual socialist country.. grow up, travel, see how world is moving and then form ideology.. Ideology of a frog in the well is worth laughing at.. newez now tht your party is out of any power and voice, take some rest, read some good books and open your mind.. k?
RE:Left stand for ideology..and make no mistake.. we rule 3 states and will rule more..and the people of these states are not ignorent..
by vg on Jul 23, 2008 05:11 PM Permalink
hello mr Sahadevan KK ...so u are back....with your stupid ideology which kills people in kannur and NANDIGRAM and keeps the people of kerala unemployed
as he mentioned he is a muslim and an Indian... it clearly means he is muslim first and then an Indian that shows his integrity to the Indian community and if abdullah and his kind of muslims in India get substantial part in Indian politics they will sale the interests of our country in the hands of pakistan and other muslim nations to spread the green virus in Hindusthan...
This trust vote just repeated what happened in Indian history for ages... it just reminds us the day king 'Ambhi' helped Alexander against 'Puru' and there are many more examples in Indian history how the Indians were pulled down by other Indians to support outsiders... and what happened after all that, we all had to fight to get back our sovereignty...
RE:omar abdullah is pakistani...
by Milind on Jul 23, 2008 05:17 PM Permalink
This is a national stage where there is no predilection for the state politics so we better not mix it up...
RE:kashmir to kanyakumari
by Ramanath Babu on Jul 23, 2008 05:47 PM Permalink
But that is exactly what is not happening. Hindus are considered second class citizens in their own homeland by the congress government, supported by Communists and Samjwadi Party leader Mulla M Singh.
We cannot hope equal status under congress rule from Kashmir to Kanyakumari.
With whom do you want to claim equal status? Is it the illetrate, poverty struck and non progressive Muslims.
Brother, Hindus are in a much better state than Muslims. So be happy about this than complaining.
Let me tell you one fact, Muslims are only given importance during election times when all these so called secular parties like Congress, Left etc do some lip service and we like fools cast our votes for them.
RE:kashmir to kanyakumari
by Ramanath Babu on Jul 24, 2008 11:03 AM Permalink
I am happy that there are some sane elements in your religion like you who realise who is who and what is what. i can assure you syedabdul that VHP/RSS and the so-called fanatic Hindu elements will never do any harm to muslims if muslims in this country consider themselves Indians first and then muslims. All these quotas and appeasement will vanish once the country progresses economically. Problem arises when the gap between demand and supply increases. IF country progress industrially and all educated youths are employed who needs reservation? Most important thing for muslims is to come out of their madrasa education system and join the mainstream. Get themselves educated so that they can get good job and become financially sound. As a citizen ofthe country, discharge your duties and the God (Allah) will help you. Allah/Naryan or Jesus christ will not help those who do not discharge their duties and only chant their names.
RE:no comments here?
by Verghese on Jul 23, 2008 04:44 PM Permalink
This Yatra stuff and all other so called religious activities of the religious right wing in India are nothing but a show of strength and means to implant themselves in Muslim areas and occupy their properties.
RE:no comments here?
by Ramanath Babu on Jul 23, 2008 05:48 PM Permalink
What is wrong in that. From Kashmir to Kanyakumari, all Indians should have equal rights.
Do you want to say that Kashmir is only for muslims?
RE:no comments here?
by venkat on Jul 23, 2008 04:55 PM Permalink
who is occupying india now? In that case, there is no place for other religions apart from ones that originated in India. Are you prepared to accept this too? Please do not be communal.
MPs right to cast their Vote should be changed and instead the their respctive Political Parties should vote. So that the back stabing, Poaching and Horse trading can be avoided in future and thus let us save our great democracy.
For Eg. If BJP has 140 Elected MPs in the Parliament and if any such No- Confidence motion comes up the party dicision making body should debate on the subject and decide with majority opinion to whom should they vote. The party should cast the 140 votes on behalf of the members and in no case allow their electected representatives to cast their Votes. In this case, no MPs can change their stand and all will be under the control of their MOTHER PARTY. In brief, no MPs will be above the Party. Moreover, the representatives are elected through their Mother Party symbols and their manifestos. Hence, why they require individual freedom to cast their Vote. Instead the Party should cast the entire Vote collectively against or in favour of the motion. They should be given freedom to work for their Party and serve the people.
This amendment should be done with immediate effect for avoiding these kind of back stabing.
RE:The Parties should cast the Votes collectively on behalf of their Representatives.
by Ramanath Babu on Jul 24, 2008 11:14 AM Permalink
Mohan Das, In that case,there is no need for any debate in the parliament. in democray, you debate an win over your adversaries. You must be able to convince your opponents and force them to toe your line of thinking. That is democracy. Now here the problem is even if an opposition or ruling party MP is convinced that whatever is said by his opponent is right, he cannot vote in favour, defying the whip of his party as he will be expelled from his party and subsequently he will lose his membership of the house under anti-defection law. This law has been brought out after careful thought. When you join a party, you must understand their policies and programme and only after you are convinced fully that it is the right party for you to join, you should be in to that party. All decisions taken by the party will be as per their policies and programme already mentioned by them. If at any stage you change your mind, it is for you to step down from the membership of the house and seek a fresh mandate from the people. In most of the cases, people identify you with your party and not you as an individual. Therefore, when you deviate from the path of party's knwon policies, you have to quit the party first, then resign from the state assembly or parliememnt as the case may be.
RE:The Parties should cast the Votes collectively on behalf of their Representatives.
by tka on Jul 23, 2008 04:44 PM Permalink
Good suggestion, though constitutionally there may be issues.
Another widely spoken thought is that we should have a two party system. In our case, the congress and BJP. The rest should be disbanded. Hopefully, then even if MPs have individual voting rights, atleast they will vote on issues. But again, this suggestion is a big constitutional challenge.
The most practical suggestion doing the rounds is on anti-defection. That may prevent cross-voting and MP buying.
In the long run, only education to all sections of the society can help. If the masses know and understand the actions and implication of the actions of their MPs then they will vote for the right people and MPs will behave.
Today there are really very very few people who actually have read and understood the deal and even fewer who have the ability to understand the deal. That is the real tragedy. Not sure of the short term solution.
