There lies the problem. if someone people think a hero (even Shahrukh Khan) says something, everyone starts believing him without even thinking anything about it. I agree Kalam has good knowledge on some of the things, but he's not a nuclear scientist. Most of the indian scientist (they of course know much more about nuclear technology than Kalam) world over have serious doubts about the viability of this deal. Until unless those concerns are addressed, the deal will create more problems than it will solve.
How much power will be generated through nuclear technology? How much will it cost? Who will provide the technology? What about the environmental effect, how the nuclear waste is going to be handled? What if the US decides to stop supplying raw materials and technology? etc. I think Govt. should have taken the scientists opinions on these issues before even thinking about the deal. There is no point in getting some unsubstantiated data from unknown source to answer these questions. We just need scientists to debate extensively on this. In stead, the Govt. has used unscrupulous means to stay on the power and push the deal. I can say for sure, it is a black day for democracy.
RE:Kalam (our hero) said something good ... doesn't make the deal great
by Zhakas Bhidu on Jul 23, 2008 11:29 AM Permalink
Kalam is modern day saint. Just see what is his credibility and achievements. He is the father of Nuclear missile program, so he knows the subject more than you or me can comprehend.
RE:Kalam (our hero) said something good ... doesn't make the deal great
by me mumbaikar on Jul 23, 2008 11:57 AM Permalink
oh great...so y dint any party had a press conference and showed him to the people and made him publically express his view on this deal. or a public debate where you and me asking questions to him and clearing our doubts. nobody want this as the loopholes from such deals are not meant to be publicised.
RE:Kalam (our hero) said something good ... doesn't make the deal great
by cyber tyger on Jul 23, 2008 12:04 PM Permalink
for the umpteenth time , We don'thave to buy nuclear technology or raw materials from USA . India will be free to buy from any of the 45 NSG .
As for nuclear waste , we can dump it in Islamabad
RE:Kalam (our hero) said something good ... doesn't make the deal great
by rajkiran on Jul 23, 2008 02:49 PM Permalink
Though you are factually correct, you are ignoring the fact that NSG is a cartel.
RE:Kalam (our hero) said something good ... doesn't make the deal great
by jaydeep singh on Jul 23, 2008 09:45 AM Permalink
you are abosuletly correct ..Kalam etc are famous for making random statements.. Nuclear deal should need more examination and its difiently more than what meets the eye
What all this govt promised to their so called allies will be known over time. Don't think they had to promise money or power only to the cross voters. They had to give in to different demands even from the constituents of UPA.
How much power will be generated through nuclear technology? How much will it cost? Who will provide the technology? What about the environmental effect, how the nuclear waste is going to be handled? What if the US decides to stop supplying raw materials and technology? etc. I think Govt. should have taken the scientists opinions on these issues before even thinking about the deal. In stead, the Govt. has used unscrupulous means to stay on the power and push the deal. I can say for sure, it is a black day for democracy.
RE:Shameful
by galilio on Jul 23, 2008 11:33 AM Permalink
TO know more about nuclear power,please visit website: world-nuclear.org, wise-uranium.org feel nuclear deal will serve immediate purpose of short term relief to india -this is positive but negative is more - surrender to america and western countries, india will not be a nuclear power with atomic bombs or research oriented industries, all our secrets are open to america and west, supply of fuel at any price dictated by west and america, high cost of production and heavy investment, delays due to fuel supply and in signing many agreements with suppliers of fuel (yellow cake),processors countries, enrichers of fuel,assemblers of fuel who are mainly western countries and america.high cost of fuel and its prices variation time to time. chances of accidents,leagage and reprocessing of spent fuel and its cost of dumping radiation waste ect will make life miserable to nuclear power planners.example- a belgium nuclear reactor buys yellow cake (uranium oxide) from australia and send yellow cake to canada to process to make in gasous form of uranium hexa flouride and from canada,this is sent to germany for enriching to isotope of U235 and sent back to belgium in the form of fuel rods to be used in nuclear reactor.then spent waste fuel is sent to france for reprocessing again and send back to belgium while waste fuel is dumped in some african countries. imagine about this deal where good chances to make money- up to waste dumping.
RE:Shameful
by Manoj M on Jul 23, 2008 04:01 AM Permalink
Signing the deal doesn't stop you from not buying reactors. It opens up purchases of dual-use technology items, like super-computers. If you are not convinved of the cost-benefit of nuclear power dont go for it, but at least keep a provision for it. Maybe at today's oil prices it's still not cost-competitive. If oil goes at say 500$ a barrell, we better be looking hard at nuke power. We need the deal for opening our options.
RE:Shameful
by SKS on Jul 23, 2008 04:30 AM Permalink
Unforunately it does put some restrictions on the nuclear testing...Is this worth for such a high cost? I don't have any specific answer to it. But, the scientists should openly debate all aspects of it.
RE:Shameful
by Manoj M on Jul 23, 2008 04:48 AM Permalink
Come on why are we scared of testing restrictions, when AB Vajpayee himself had declared that India doesn't need any more testing?
RE:Shameful
by SKS on Jul 23, 2008 06:12 AM Permalink
When did say that? Any references? Untill unless we keep developing technology they will get outdated. You don't even realize how fast the technology changes in US. They'll soon create a new technology which will protect them from any outdated nuclear weapons india has since 1998....
RE:Shameful
by Krishnier Natarajan on Jul 23, 2008 09:38 AM Permalink
Mr.SKS: Future innovations will be done in India and the East as much as in US and Europe. India is no Ethiopia or Zimbabwe to be bulldozed through.
How much power will be generated through nuclear technology? How much will it cost? Who will provide the technology? What about the environmental effect, how the nuclear waste is going to be handled? What if the US decides to stop supplying raw materials and technology? etc. I think Govt. should have taken the scientists opinions on these issues before even thinking about the deal.
RE:Shame on Govt and MMS
by Vas on Jul 23, 2008 03:12 AM Permalink
Majority of Indian scientists have already given their opinion that this deal stinks, and is NOT in the best interest of the nation. The ones raving on about how the deal will ''help'' India, including the semi-literates posting here, have never even read the entire deal carefully. Thats why it is tragic to see the overwhelming majority of Indians, who can barely read and write, jumping with "joy" over this deal and gushing about MMS's victory, just because they are congress sycophants and endorse by default anything that the Congress does!
That is what is so scary, and tragic, about the Indian situation- that many people who are not competent in any way to analyze the terms and conditions of the deal, rush about expressing support for it.
The overall conclusion of many scientists, who have no stake in the deal or the government, is that the deal will bind India to the political and defense whims of the US, while providing very little nuclear power capability to India, at least in near future.
RE:Shame on Govt and MMS
by Manoj M on Jul 23, 2008 04:04 AM Permalink
Of course the scientists will say so. It's their crappy work being exposed when global technologies come into play & their own developed lousy nuclear power plants are shown to be plain inefficient compared to the next generation ones. Of course they will oppose it. How is it that countries like France generate 70-80% of their power thru nuclear power & we after almost 50 years of nuclear research are still struggling at 3%?
RE:Shame on Govt and MMS
by SKS on Jul 23, 2008 04:13 AM Permalink
From where did you get the figure 70-80%? please give reference. I don't know, if the scientists are saying this because of self-interest. But, it is clear that MMS used money power to stay in POWER.
RE:Shame on Govt and MMS
by Manoj M on Jul 23, 2008 04:47 AM Permalink
Just google it you will find where I got the figure. MMS used moneypower & honestly I'm no fan of Congress or MMS but this for one was a step in the right direction or let me say, money spent well. BJP, which you probably support would have happily signed this deal. The fact they opposed it is strange as they were the initial architects of this deal.
RE:Shame on Govt and MMS
by SKS on Jul 23, 2008 06:17 AM Permalink
Monoj, its 79% of total electric power, not total power. So, I don't know how significant it is. But, my point was just that we need serious debate among scientists before taking any steps. In state cash was paid to pass the deal. It doesn't matter what BJP wud have done.
RE:Shame on Govt and MMS
by galilio on Jul 23, 2008 11:48 AM Permalink
True France owns 68 reactors and produce 70% power out of nuclear.it has advantage of holding collonial rule on west african countries niger, nambia,male ect which control 15% uranium production.hence france invested in above countries reprocessing plants and brng back to france to make fuel fissonable isotope ready to be used in their rectors.it has technology to process,enrichment and reprocessing of spent waste fuel ect and hence it edge over america and other countries in fuel supply position and you can not compare with india where uranium production is just below 1% in jaharkand,andra megalaya which our govt did not concentrate much america has totally 104 nuclear reactors and get uranium from canada,brazil,australia and has its own mines. due to supply difficulty america did not invest further on nuclear reactor. Nuclear deal with america is good on face value if one see the benefits alone.if you see the negative side,we surrender to west/america and can not produce nuclear war heads in future and high cost of power production and heavy investment will make power tariff very high compared to conventional thermal,hydel power units which govt could concentrate with 1/4 of investment likely to be made in nuclear power.
RE:Long Live Slavery!!
by cyber tyger on Jul 23, 2008 12:08 PM Permalink
why are you so bothered .Just make sure your khandaan will be around for atleast another 100 years.
RE:RE:Congratulations MMS
by SKS on Jul 23, 2008 02:33 AM Permalink
How can it recover from paralysis with doctors like dalaal amar singh, murderer shibu soren etc. ?
Well..there are a bunch of opportunists on either side like Lallu, mayawati, karunanidhi, chidambaram, mulayam,amar singh,chandrababu etc., just that opportunists A won over Opp B today. does that mean it is a win for Democracy ? I am happy for UPA win so that we are not burdened with another early round of elections wasting crores of rupees. I am also happy that people came to know the truth that our M.Ps are meagre and have very little flesh of character within them.People like Mayawati who claim to be dalit reps are the parasites of our society. I'm happy that Manmohan is standing tall today eventhough he is weighing himself on sewage and trash that smells hell! Kudos to you sir. but beware of bit..hs around you !!
