RE:HM
by All Right on Jul 22, 2008 07:02 AM Permalink
Yeah.... going by what happened to the Twin Towers, the Indian parliament is still standing, innit?... ;-)
It was PVNR who couldn't protect the Babri Masjid, and neither could the present government protect the Amarnath yatris, or their railway stations, or the public property, or Indians' lives...
:-) All that is sign of great strength no doubt... :-)
RE:HM
by Nimesh Dikshit on Jul 21, 2008 09:27 PM Permalink
nothting can be protected when it comes to islamic terrorism. But they can be punished. The conspirator is supposed to be hanged as per SC. First ever verdict of such crime - thanks to POTA that your party removed. Who is saving
Advani listed the failures of the Govt for the past four yhears and two months.He enquired there were so many terrorists attacks inthe country and the Govt has not taken any action on them.But he was silent on his own case relating to the demolitiono Babri Masjid in which he was criminally accused. Secondly he had nothing to say about the failure of his Govt to take action against the criminally liable Modi for his role in the Gujarat riots. The MPs who spoke subsequently questioned him. He said NDA's single achievement was the laying of national four-lane highways and chided the govt for doing nothing for highways and rural ways. But when the achievement was read out by T.R. Balu,Minister,that during the period of UPA rule, National Highways and rural roads were laid 50% more than what was done during NDA rule. He had to cover his face unable to answer to those statistics. He was not seen inthe parliament later on. The treasury benches reeled out the statistics to counter all the allegations. Unfortunately nobody seems to be aware ofthe difference betwen Hyde Act and 123 Agreement. Praful Patel,Aviation Minster,was categorical that Hyde Act is applicable to US only and that 123 Agreement India specific where Hyde Act applicability was never mentioned. 123 Agreements were earlier signed with China, France and Russia. But the MPs were so ill-informed that nobody seems to have taken pain to read the Act particularly when it was debated in the House.Ignorance no excuse for them.
RE:Trust Vote Debate - An Analysis (contd..)
by dipen d on Jul 21, 2008 09:24 PM Permalink
This is a good analysis of whole situation but the time is now to leave the history behind and do everything which is best for the country and its all citizens.Poor people are suffering most and getting exploited. we should unitedly work to defeat the forces who are bent upon looting the public resources.
RE:Trust Vote Debate - An Analysis (contd..)
by don dicosta on Jul 21, 2008 09:31 PM Permalink
mr jamshed FIRST THING YOU ARE BEND UPON CRITICISING BJP. AS FAR I HAVE BEEN READING U R MAILS U START AS DECENT WRITER AT THE END U SHOW U R OTHER UGLY SIDE. JUST READ TWO PAGES FROM MY LIFE AND MY COUNTRY.JUST 2 PAGES. U FOOL COMMON MAN /FARMERS ARE DYING AND THESE UPA DID NOT RELEASE FERTILISER AND LEGIMATE QUOTA OF ELETRICITY. PEOPLE KNOW WHAT NDA HAD DONE.BEING A MUSLIM YOUR VERY LUCKY TO LIVE IN INDIA LIKE KINGS.
WHATEVER IS NOT THAT SIMPLE U FOOL THERE ARE LOT OF LOOPHOLES IN THE AGREEMENT.WE CAN NOT UPGRADE/MAINTAIN NUCLEAR WEAPONS.WE HAVE TO HANDOVER OUR UNITS TO US 24X7.(23 14). AND BEING A TAMILIAN YOU HAVE SPOILED INDAI TO MALAYSIA.YOUR VELU BALU HAVE MADE LOT OF MONEY. ( SEE HOW THEIR DAUGHTYERS/SONS ENJOY NIGHT LIFE IN LEEL BANGLORE)DO NOT COMPARE ALL THESE CREATURES WITH STATURE OF ADVANI.
RE:BJP leaders take stock of situation
by Krish on Jul 21, 2008 09:27 PM Permalink
This reminds me How Narasimha Rao won his vote of confidence. One of the MP from Bihar named Munda was completely drugged and his head was down on the shoulder and was carried in a wheel chair to cast his vote. Congress has enough money to spend and has got enough money to get thru Nuclear Deal.
Democracy-- Far the People, Buy the People and Off the People.
RE:BJP leaders take stock of situation
by dipen d on Jul 21, 2008 09:26 PM Permalink
This is a real story of confidence motion and if M-Deal doesn't succeed they look for at least F-deal (future deal during lok sabha election)
Is BJP really Crazy? Is not the same Party exploded the Pokhran Nuclear Bomb Test, and now the same party is opposing this Nuclear treaty. Where did the interest of people come into picture at that time, when general people suffered a lot due to increasing vergetable prices including onion as a direct result of that Nuclear Test. Was BJP sleeping at that time after blasting the Nuclear Test? Where was India's National Interest at that time? What did BJP achieve after testing in Pokhran? Abosolutely nothing. But one thing happened after that. India is spending Billions of dollars to safeguard the new Nuclear Bombs now. Now because of that Pakistan got a chance to test their own Nuclear Bomb. So BJP is really mad, when it says about National Interest now when UPA talks about this Nuclear treaty to generate Nuclear Energy to provide electricity to whole of india. BJP only knows how to instigate problems into the Country, so now they better not speak about India's National Interest, because that does not looks good on BJP. Now suppose for example UPA will fall now because of this trust vote, what India will gain, nothing, rather it will spend another Billions of Dollars from Common Man's Pocket to conduct the Election.
RE:RE: Trust vote: BJP leaders take stock of situation
by don dicosta on Jul 21, 2008 09:36 PM Permalink
HA HA HA WHAT A LOGIC INDIANS HELD THEIR HEADS HIGH WHEN POKHRAN HAPPENDED INSPITE OF INTERNATIONAL PRESSURE. AND WE HAD WON KARGIL! who will come to protect your great family if ANY COUNTRY ATTACK. BJP HAS NEITHER HORSE TRADING LIKE YOU BELOVED SONIA AND MAYAVATHI
RE:RE: Trust vote: BJP leaders take stock of situation
by Sameer Bhagwat on Jul 21, 2008 09:25 PM Permalink
apparnetly, you do not know what N-Deal is. You seem to be the on of the 75% Indians who "support" the N-Deal, but are also amongst the 65% Indians "who do not know" about N-Deal.
The Pokhran Nuclear tests were the exact opposit of the N-Deal. The "N-Deal" as everyone calls it is an extension to the Nuclear non-proliferation treaty. What IAEA is saying is that all countries should sign up for this treaty and pledge a non-use of the Nuke devices for the defense purpose. This, if done by India, Pakistan will also follow. China and other N-power countries have already committed. If N-Deal go through, it will mean that India will be able to use its atomic reserve (meant for defense) in the domestic energy use (that means better electricity, better irigation etc., and also good for the environment). However, there's always a catch - and the catch says that since all atomic research/production centers will become non-defense areas, IAEA will have 100% visibility into it. That way India will have no "secret weapon" if ever needed. I hope, and wish that no one ever needs that secret weapon. But, at the same time, what if Pakistan or Iran do not sign? Once IAEA knows all about India's nuclear reserves, it might as well end up on the Internet! Pokhran was against the non-proliferation treaty (and that's why India had to face senctions). N-Deal is for the non-proliferation treaty. Understood?
RE:RE: Trust vote: BJP leaders take stock of situation
by rajesh roul on Jul 21, 2008 11:00 PM Permalink
Please do not ever try to make me understand. I want to make you people who are pro-BJP to make you understand that do not play double games. At one time you people are using Nuclear Issues to get votes, but at other times you people are using the same Nuclear Issues to break a Government. You tried to prove that Pokhran Nuclear tests were the exact opposit of the N-Deal, and you thought that it is so simple to prove it. But it is not opposite. What is BJP's Motto here? LOOT INDIA. First they will break the Government in the name of Nuclear Deal Issue, and then they will conduct a Election, and some party will be able to come to power with a Coallition Mechanism, and again the same thing will happen. Who is at loss? We Common People. Why do not you understand that BJP is trying to loot your Hard-Earned Money that you give to Government as Income Tax, and in-stead of using that for betterement, it will be used for election, that is not required. You are talking of IAEA will make it public when India will sign the Nuclear Deal. Here is another catch that I will give you. BJP, CPM, and all who oppose this Nuclear Deal wants to make the Nuclear Deal Public, so that Public will know about it. So let me ask you a Question, if the Confidential Nuclear Deal which BJP wants to make Public, where does the Secrecy Remain? You say that once India sign the Nuclear deal, India can not make Nuclear Weapons, you are completely wrong. But USA will supply Nuclear Fuel and Nucle
RE:RE:RE: Trust vote: BJP leaders take stock of situation
by All Right on Jul 22, 2008 07:08 AM Permalink
Roul:
Stop shouting..... Elections are going to happen anyway... whether you want it or not....
Secondly LOOT INDIA program is going on for the last 60 years, and BJP has nothing to do with it thank you very much...
If you don't vote solidly for BJP that's your problem, not BJP's.... so much so for your frequent elections theory... Didn't Congress topple BJP government in 1998?.... That's democracy mate... learn to live with it..
When Congress has already published the 123 agreement, and the IAEA safeguards NOW, where's your argument about secrecy?.... OUT THE DOOR!!.. .:-)
As to your knowledge about the deal -- it's almost non-existent... which is not surprising since you think that the deal is still Secret till your beloved government is ruling... :-)
So there!!.... hope to see you soon somewhere else... :-)
RE:RE: Trust vote: BJP leaders take stock of situation
by Manoj Mehta on Jul 21, 2008 09:07 PM Permalink
FYI, Today in his speech Advani has announced that BJP is not opposed to nuclear treaty but only opposed to some of its clause. They will vote against the government due to nuclear issue but against the inflation & other policies of UPA governemnt.
RE:RE: Trust vote: BJP leaders take stock of situation
by Prakash Asrani on Jul 21, 2008 09:23 PM Permalink
Good Luck Manoj, Continue this duplicity. BJP is known for flip flops. Only ensure that you do not fall between two stools or rather fall into your own stool.
RE:RE: Trust vote: BJP leaders take stock of situation
by All Right on Jul 22, 2008 07:03 AM Permalink
Yeah... won't be good if the biggest party falls the same way Congress has.... :-)
RE:RE: Trust vote: BJP leaders take stock of situation
by Sommy on Jul 21, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
no man..BJP will vote for the Nuclear Deal tomorrow...enjoy the Game tomorrow...BJP know how to tackle this..
RE:RE: Trust vote: BJP leaders take stock of situation
by aniket bamane on Jul 21, 2008 09:08 PM Permalink
My dear friend why did you forget the basics?? BJP is not voting against Nuclear Deal .... it is voting aginst rivals CONGRESS...... If BJP comes back again at Center they will also make sure complete this Nuclear deal :)
Democracy is for discussions and when a discussion takes place every one has his/her views depending on various capabilities or incapabilities. Let us take all of them with a spirit but decorum is to be maintained. Finally democracy wins or losses. So far it has won in all situations and we are sure this time too. PM has brought a proud moment to be remembered in the days to come.
Taras aata hai do budhoompe, ek jo apne aapko bhavi pradhanmantri ghoshit karke baitha hai intajarme khursi ke gaye 4 mahinonse aur aab phas gaya hai buri tarahase maya jal me. Dusra budha na chal sakta hai na yad karsakta hai, house me attendance nahi rakh sakta, magar aapni khursi se resign nahi karta. Lakhnow ke janata ko non working MP sehana paad raha hai. Uska ek karan hai ki unki khursi chhode to party ke log bhul jayenge aur BJP laknowse election jeetneki kabilit me nahi hai to ijjat jayegi. Bechare do buddhe bina sahare hogaye hai, kahan gaye inke usul aur aadarsh? Is liye logo it ne buddhepanme khursiki lat acchi nahi hai!!! Ye to kali yug ke RAM-LAL hai.Ram unka bhala kare, Jisne pitaji ke wachan ke waste 14 saal tak aapni khursi kurban ki thi!! Jai Shri Ram.
1. Some SP and RJD members will cross the floor to Mayawati and Co. in the name caste & religion (Dalit & Muslim) as they are opportunists. Mulayam & Amar Singh can't do anything.
2. Some NDA parties/members will also flow to Maya and Co.
3. BJP will vote FOR congress..Surprise..Surprise.
4. Gov't will be survived and Deal will go through.
Man Mohan Singh, Pranab Mukherjee and P.Chidambaram ….They have done it many times in their life and in their profession too. So, the rest is assured in the number games, Today even the BJP policy makers are also knows it very well that country is very much in safe hand of these three economist. Nothing can be done. Four years back when they took the responsibilities of the country, the whole world talked about the future of India. India is going to come out as most robust and vibrant country from Asia. We should be proud about our leaders and extend our helping hand in the growth. Then why these questions are surfacing of now. Why Prakash Karat, who does not have any contribution for this country other than be a spokesman if non-hindi speaking CPM leaders hindi spokesman is touting in the media and playing with the poor and common people’s life. Karat could not even imagine the maturity level of MMS and his team. He was trying to pull the string and threatening MMS. What is his opinion when so many farmers were killed in Nandigram. When Lakshman Sheth the Mafia leader of communist party and so called don of Haldia brutally killed so many innocent people in the land of Nandigram. Nuclear Deal alone can not change the growth rate of the country, we need to clean this opportunist leaders like Karat and his team mate like Joyti Basu and Biman Bose(Most corrupted person among communist party after Anil Biswas, who expired last year).
RE:Three Experienced Economist Running the Country
by Gopal on Jul 21, 2008 11:46 PM Permalink
This not the time to talk politics. We shall talk about it later. Work to retain our freedom.
RE:Three Experienced Economist Running the Country
by hari Krishnan on Jul 21, 2008 08:57 PM Permalink
i agree ur point, we supposed to thorw out left in upcoming election, Left is detritus india.
RE:Three Experienced Economist Running the Country
by RAVINDRA BHOSALE on Jul 21, 2008 09:03 PM Permalink
Dont throw any body! In democracy everybody is welcome. But we have to keep the Leftists and Rightists at the appropriate leve. You will find that for last 4 years there was no opposition party in lok sabha. The so called oppositions were making hangama in house and talking more on TV and Media for publicity, No serious discussion took place. Now we got good opposition of left who talk more and to the point in house and not crazy about the publicity except Mr.Karat who is not in House.
RE:Three Experienced Economist Running the Country
by Ravi Kumar on Jul 21, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
Title could have more opt if it reads as "ruining" instead of running.
