Too much obsession with N DEal is nothing but falling into a trap laid down by REDs and UPA. They are acting in tandem to divert people's attention from rising prices and increasing terrorists' incidents. The deal, a simple trade deal can be negotiated, renegotiated hundred times depending upon the prevailing situation at the time of discussion. What is in this deal? India needs energy options, French has technology (reactors), Australia has surplus raw material (uranium), anytime the three can sit together to finalise a deal for fuel and technology supply. USA has to endorse such international deal, as refusal will be hurting its allies more than any other country. Infact, during trust vote discussions, REDs must be targeted by the NDA constituents for bringing the nation to this mess. They are equally responsible for inflation and terrorism.
RE:Avoid trap laid down by REDs and Cons. BJP should concentrate on vital issues like 'rising prices and growing terrorism'
by CPI on Jul 19, 2008 02:53 PM Permalink
Why stop with inflation and terrorism? They are responsible for the Tsunami, Earthquakes, Global warming, Gas trouble and whatnot.
RE:Avoid trap laid down by REDs and Cons. BJP should concentrate on vital issues like 'rising prices and growing terrorism'
by mahabodhi on Jul 19, 2008 03:29 PM Permalink
@CPI for once RSSBJP man Satayrthi has made more than one liner comment so do reply to the issue and not be like satyrthi writing pun and that too one liner !But yes i agree with satayrthi the RSSBJP should target Left for all the issues raised by him !These dyas there r hardly any commie bashing but Stayrthi has atleast combing conred word whwere as other his friends in rSSBJP r lowkey N r waiting anxiously to see the fall of the Congress! But to Satyrthi I ask "There is no real issues in India except caste and then there is curious case of one calling each communilism –pseudoseculirilism etc !This games goes on !But there is no ideology for any party whether congress or RSSBJP !All these and others do is to garner votes !Some want combination of some caste votes and another wants majority community votes and their is all sort of hue and cry for votes only and no issues !All issues r just gimmick for all parties including RSSBJP-Congress and others !But let us come to the real issue now , All r crying hoarse over Ndeal !In fact for majority 80% Indians this is no issue !So only netizens corrupt middle class has this issue ! So I ask all these intellectuals specially RSSBJP who dominate this forum in various forms some with one liner and some with bourgheiose polite manner but RSSBJP supporter all the same ! So supposing the UPA govt . is oust and looses the lection and their Ndeal goes out the drain !What next ? so many RSSBJP say that they will renegoiate deal !So they w
RE:RE:Avoid trap laid down by REDs and Cons. BJP should concentrate on vital issues like 'rising prices and growing terrorism'
by mahabodhi on Jul 19, 2008 03:30 PM Permalink
! So supposing the UPA govt . is oust and looses the lection and their Ndeal goes out the drain !What next ? so many RSSBJP say that they will renegoiate deal !So they will renegoiate the deal !What they want to Renegoiate if they want the Ndeal !So even the Deal of any kind is done the I dare ask any of their supporters here will ur RSSBJP will openly say that “ THEY DID RENEGOIATE THE NDEAL WITH AMERICA AND GOT SO AND SO CLAUSES CHANGESD AND WE HAVE FORCED THE AMERICANS TO DO MAKE SUCH AMENDS THE N-DEAL!” This is challenge for the future to all RSSBJP supportyers!Oe will they even –if the Ndeal does not go thru will the guts to say that “WE HAVE CANCELLED THE NDEAL WITH AMERICA AS OUR SOIS AND SO DEMAND FOR AMENDMENT HAS NOT BEEN HEEDED BY AMERICANS ,AND HENCE WE CANCEL THE NDEAL ! I challenge these kulaks and manuwadis that they will never have the guts to say either of the dialouge whether Ndeal is done or not !Time will prove this true !
RE:RE:RE:Avoid trap laid down by REDs and Cons. BJP should concentrate on vital issues like 'rising prices and growing terrorism'
by mahabodhi on Jul 19, 2008 03:34 PM Permalink
@satayrthi why your RSSBJP leader Atal Behari Vajpayee during his 13 day struint passed ENRON deal which benefittd Enron !offcourse crores were spent by Enron for educating the RSSBVJP and allies MPs !But can answer why the RSSBJP led NDA was in so hurry to clear the ENRON deal during that 13 day stint!
RE:RE:RE:RE:Avoid trap laid down by REDs and Cons. BJP should concentrate on vital issues like 'rising prices and growing terrorism'
by mahabodhi on Jul 19, 2008 03:39 PM Permalink
@Satyrthi for once you too have written Red and Congress separtely !why !Though you do say that it is a trap !But you have refrained from writing CONRED !
This amendment of the Indian Atomic Act to counter Hyde Act is yet another of those many stunts that the Congress and their cronies are trying to create to Hoodwink the helpless Indian people. I am sorry to say, our Prime Minister Mr. Manmohan Singh and The UPA Chairperson Mrs. Sonia Gandhi are nothing but agents of the American Lobby that wants to sell Nuclear fissile material and Highly Advanced Nuclear Technology for supposedly Peaceful use at exorbidant cost, which the future generation would continue to be burdened for many centuries to come. Our Indian scientists are at the brink of getting the Thorium based Nuclear technology, but the Indian government would run out of so much money, it won't be able to pursue a Thorium based Nuclear Power Plants. Whenever India is almost ready with an advanced technology or a breakthrough such as the Light Combat Aircraft, the USA and Europe would come up with a very tempting offer such as F16,F18 or Eurofighter. We have always seen they give us shoddy products with no firepower or malfunctioning equipment and no spare parts. So all these Defence Dream Merchants are there to fleece the Indians. We thought the PM was meek and mild, but he has even stunned the seasoned politicians too across all spectrum including his. His daughter is a great friend of Bush's daughter and is press reporter in the White House, I read somewhere. I know the UPA would comfortably sail through on the 22nd. The BJP and the Left must defeat this unholy nexus.
RE:Another Hogwash from The Congress Led minus Left UPA Government
by vishnu on Jul 19, 2008 02:51 PM Permalink
indans dont have their own brain everything they do its a copy and they could not build a jet engine is a proof
RE:Another Hogwash from The Congress Led minus Left UPA Government
by Somik Roy on Jul 19, 2008 07:33 PM Permalink
India has the technological design to build a Jet Engine, but it requires advanced equipment to cast and mould the Titanium material and other less corrosive alloys. This the US and advanced countries are unwilling to provide, particularly after the sanctions following Pokhran II. So India has little choice but to buy those expensive Jet Engines. This is the precise reason why HF-24 a Jet engine developed by HAL under Dr. Tank, a German Aeronautical Engineer in early 1960's. The fighter plane was very advanced for its time, but due to lack of sophisticated equipment and paucity of funds, India had to abondon the cherished project, that would have made India a self reliant air power in those early days in India's indiginous aviation manufacturing history. India needs the equipment to build the highly sophisticated Jet Engines. India like USA and Europe has to outsource, both manpower and technology. But no davanced country would ever cooperate, they will rather supply you a fish each day rather than teach you to fish. We Indians like other third world countries are beggars, I am afraid to say and Beggars cannot be Choosers. the same goes with this Nuclear Treaty which would be India's White Elephant in the Future. I only hope Vishnu that you are Indian and not someone under a pseudo name to cover up your real ID. Don't condemn or lampoon India's expertise. The world knows of India's great potential, they are afraid to admit it. Its Ego problem and fear of losing market.
RE:Now BJP can atleast discuss with Congress (Pachees Karode)
by sss on Jul 19, 2008 02:35 PM Permalink
CPM is the richest party in India . Just think how this is possible with just three states in hand. Pinarayi Vijayan is the richest person in Asia...how is that BJP is a nationalist party deep routed in India and not imported from China
PM and their congress senior leaders if they really study and peruse the DEAL unbiosed way they can find so many negative points,now they on their PM stand. Otherwise congress never take this type of decisions
The government also needs to clarify its thinking on the Additional Protocol before entering into the safeguards agreement. The government had pledged to secure an unqualified right to reprocess spent-fuel and even termed India’s right to reprocess “non-negotiable.” But the 123 Agreement has an “empty theoretical right” to reprocess. The actual permission will come after years, when a dedicated state-of-the art reprocessing plant is built anew to treat foreign fuel, along with a host of allied facilities. Similarly, there are many other key safeguards-related issues which have been unaddressed in the draft safeguards agreement and none had been handled adequately or in an acceptable manner. “We therefore appeal to the Members of the Lok Sabha to direct the government not to proceed further with the current safeguards agreement, and ask the Prime Minister to initiate wide-ranging and structured deliberations on the deal to develop a broad consensus among political parties,” they said.
I HOPE AND PRAY THAT THE GOV FALLS.....BUT IF THEY SURVIVE SARDAR WILL DO WHAT HE WANTS...BECAUSE ....the next confidence motion can come in only after THE NEXT SIX MONTHS AND SO SARDAR WILL HEAR to NO ONE....BECOME A DICTATOR....ALL THE AMARS AND AKBARS WILL BE LEFT RUBBING THEIR PALMS/sucking their thumbs.....
RE:if Sardar wins the vote of confi...nothing matters
by rna on Jul 19, 2008 02:26 PM Permalink
Same sardar has some proven track record og Globalization...
And the total movement is for our betterment only! So Dont be Sarcastic.
“The nation would like to know clearly what these corrective measures are, before plunging headlong into this deal. India being merely allowed to withdraw the Indian-built civilian [pressurised heavy water reactors] PHWRs from safeguards, and that too after stripping them of all spent & fresh fuel and components of foreign origin, is not a corrective step because this action does not ensure uninterrupted operation in the event of disruption of foreign fuel supplies.” “Even here, Article 32 of the Safeguards Agreement appears to stand in the way of any such withdrawal. Besides, this relaxation does not apply to the imported power reactors, which will use up the bulk of our investments in nuclear power; these units will perpetually stay under safeguards, even after fuel supplies are denied,” noted the scientists. The scientists also drew attention to the fact that the Hyde Act prohibits the U.S. administration from directly or indirectly assisting India with lifetime fuel supplies after suspension of the deal. “Therefore, the government owes a clarification to the Parliament and the public about how they intend to avoid the consequential huge economic loss from the non-operation of these extremely costly imported reactors, as a result of fuel denial.” The government also needs to clarify its thinking on the Additional Protocol before entering into the safeguards agreement. The government had pledged to secure an unqualified right to reprocess spent-fuel and even termed Indi
I hope the Indian story of growth is recognised the world over now. Though much remains to be done. Our politicians, I trust, will contribute positively and see the deal through as it is practical and favourable to our country. We should be proud of the government, the opposition and our democracy. Politicians will discuss, debate and do what is in our national interest in the long run. - A proud Indian.
RE:India shining
by vishnu on Jul 19, 2008 02:42 PM Permalink
iam proud because indian politicians are criminals and also latest news suggests that iaea is not happy after the indians breifed iaea says it is dodtful over the ambiguties in the deal some of its european members told they are not convinced
The deal will not be governed by the bilateral 123 Agreement because it is anchored in U.S. domestic laws, including the Hyde Act, which contains several stipulations “extraneous to the issue of bilateral nuclear cooperation, including foreign policy behaviour which India needs to adhere to if the deal is to be kept alive.” “India-specific?” The deal could also have other serious repercussions, including a potential weakening of India’s nuclear deterrent and an inability to protect & promote indigenous R&D efforts in nuclear technology. They expressed doubts about the safeguards agreement being India-specific. For, it was “distinctly” clear from the Hyde Act and the 123 Agreement that no uninterrupted fuel supplies were guaranteed. “The government had assured that this defect will be corrected in the safeguards agreement but since the IAEA was all along known to be no fuel-supply guarantor, it is not surprising that Indian negotiators have failed to obtain any assurance in this regard.” “The corrective measures mentioned in the preamble to the safeguards agreement have nothing that anchors them to any section in the operative part of the agreement.” “The nation would like to know clearly what these corrective measures are, before plunging headlong into this deal. India being merely allowed to withdraw the Indian-built civilian [pressurised heavy water reactors] PHWRs from safeguards, and that too after stripping them of all spent & fresh fuel and components of foreign
Mr. Man Mohan Singh was regarded as an educated and enlightened personality but now he has proved that it was an illusion.Mrs.Sonia Gandhi was rising to the throne but to use the opportunity she doesn’t have the guts,though she was a representative leader to be the Prime Minister. She has given the post to Mr. Man Mohan Singh, a bureaucratic turned Politician expressing her inability to rule a large country like India. She nullified the leadership responsibility under the banner of foolish sacrifice and it was nothing but cowardice. The people of India want welfare measures but she and other Congress leaders misunderstood it and thought that Indian people have no inspiration or aspiration and they have only interested in facilities and benefits. This was the utter failure of congress and Ms.Sonia Gandhi and for Mr.A.K.Antony and Mr.Vayalar Ravi it is a shame. If the Nuclear Deal is good for the country why the congress didn’t took step to explain and debate among the crossection of people, then MPs and MLAs.Non debating with them is a violation of democratic rights of the people. Further telling that patriotism need not be taught to Congress Party and when you fail to discuss the issue with ordinary congress people, you are imposing your will on the congress people itself. .Man Mohan Singh and Sonia has put the the Congress MPs and leaders into a big dilemma wherein they are unable to express themselves. Even for
RE:Digged Grave for Congress and denied Rights of People to study the deal
by utpal thakuria on Jul 19, 2008 02:34 PM Permalink
what bull shit? you are the only one who is concerned , if mr mms would not had been there you would have been no economy and benefits which you are talking off. there is no dilema, every good things has its problems , so this is the same problem which the upa is facing, they will win and they will rule positively,
