9 Army personal are killed, and u sick ppls are debating on religion? I thik no religion, taught killing of innocents. I wonder what's the cost of life in today's India. Somme are talking about Confidence motion of govt, others who r here, are talkiing abt religion. First of all be a human, then be a hindu, muslim, sikh etc. HJumanity is the only religion, Live and let live. These devides have no end. First in continents, then in countrys, then in states, then in religion, then in cast, then in class. These are never ending devides. So my dear frnds, dont abuse each other, be good human being, help others as much u can. Lets be unite. Regards.
RE:Religion?
by younus siddique on Jul 20, 2008 01:04 PM Permalink
teach your brothers ....everytime anything happen they try to relate it to religion and find ways to abuse ISLAM and MUSLIMS ....
they recognize and regards us with our religion first and wants us to give importance to country first...they call us pakistanis and wants us to be patriotic...
anything against HINDUS will make us outsiders and traitors ... what ever HINDUS does is justified ...
RE:Religion?
by Sidharath Sharma on Jul 20, 2008 01:12 PM Permalink
Dear Younus, U too are my brother,if u too will think like that, What am saying is that, dont think anything to be a hindu or muslim, just think like a human being. Ok, if someone saying, that all muslims are terrorist and traitors, that can not change the truth. One can make propoganda, but propoganda exist for sometime. But truth remains forever. Noone need to be prove his patriotism on net. Time will tell who is patriotic or not. Dont take some sick ppls commnets on your heart.
RE:Religion?
by younus siddique on Jul 20, 2008 01:30 PM Permalink
i appreciate your comments ....
we need people like you to be our leaders ...we will happily walk with you ....shoulder to shoulder ....then no bomb or bullet or a sword can touch you ....
RE:RE:Religion?
by Nadal on Jul 20, 2008 01:30 PM Permalink
JGN - I agree with your attitude statement but having said that I belive you too need an attitude check. On one hand you accuse Muslims of imposing their religion but it is you who are imposing your concoted and half baked views. Most of your history data is incorrect, flawed and streotyped. One of the bizarre myths perpetuated about Islam, during the centuries of mistrust during and after the Crusades, is that Muslim armies forced people to accept Islam at the point of the sword. Unfortunately this myth survives to this day.Many Western scholars have now repudiated this myth. The great historian De Lacy O’Leary wrote in “Islam At the Cross-roads”: “History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.”Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error” [Al-Qur'an 2:256] Traditionally Muslims have treated other religions with respect, even when they were in a position to use force.Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. During these 800 years, until Muslims were finally forced out by the crusaders, non-Muslims flourished in Spain. Muslims have ruled Arabia for 1400 years, except for brief periods of British and French rule. Yet there are today 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians whose families have been Christians going back several generations.The Muslims ru
RE:Religion?
by JGN on Jul 20, 2008 06:17 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>>14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians...........in which country do they live? It is in Egypt. Not in the Arabian Countries! Get your facts clear before parroting Dr. Zakir Naik.
Yes, in Spain the crusaders forced out all Muslims from Spain. So you know how forced conversions work!
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by Nadal on Jul 20, 2008 01:32 PM Permalink
Continued...
The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. They had the power to forcibly convert each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India is non-Muslim. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness to the fact that Islam was not spread by the sword.
RE:Religion?
by Moinuddin Rahmatulla on Jul 20, 2008 01:23 PM Permalink
What do u learn from being an Indian?What is an Indian?How is he supposed to behave?could you enlighten me with your thoughts.I really wanna know what you think.
RE:Religion?
by James bond on Jul 20, 2008 01:40 PM Permalink
Excellent question Moinuddin....I will tell you what being and Indian means to a Hindu:
1. Vote hinudyva criminals 2. Laud killings of hinduta criminals like in Gujarat 3.If one is not a Hindu than that person has to prove he/she is an Indian 4. Being Hindu is being Indian 5. Speaking good of other religions is being anti Indian. 6. Abusing monorities is being Indian 7. Voting for congress is being non Indian 8. Fighting for rights of dalits and poor people in being non Indian
RE:Religion?
by jahesh khan on Jul 20, 2008 04:55 PM Permalink
dear bro, humanity can be only established only if u belief in true religion(a way of life). Other wise ull never see humanity. if in this world if any -ISMs that taught humanity will be only Religions. No other ideologies are taught in this world. if u have a feel goodness about humanity it is bcos u grown in a particular relgios culture.
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by JGN on Jul 20, 2008 06:19 PM Permalink
jahesh khan, what is this "true religion" ? Are there "false religions" also? You should firszt get rid of this dogma as beleive that other religions also have a right to exist. If your religion is good for you, practice that but don't try to impose that on others.
RE:Religion?
by Nadal on Jul 20, 2008 01:21 PM Permalink
Mr Siddharth
Not many think like you and this is the main reason why terrorists, facaists and communal bigots are winning.
I agree with Younus that the best hobby for most non Muslims and primarily Hindus is to spread lies, blasphemy, hate and abuse towards Muslims and Islam.
If this is the approach they wish to take then they must be held equally responsible for the chaos and injustice that a common man is subjected to.
The truth is majority of Muslims are being alientaed by the negativity of many Hindus and their odious views about Islam and Muslims.
The need is to understand that playing the anti Islamic card will not help in this modern era where everone with some sense knows the great message of Islam and its robust presence in the world since its inception. The fact that Islam continues to grow in such an odious environment proves that truth finds its way in the darkness.
Lets unite...yes, we are all human and have the same problems, and this is a fact. I invite all my Hindu friends to join hands with us so that we can make this world a better place.
RE:Religion?
by Augustine Roy on Jul 20, 2008 02:24 PM Permalink
Really nice to see some secular and sensible messages coming thru. What I have seen in most online communities and rediff is a set of communal people spreading hatred. They are unable to distinguish b/w patriotism and religious love and abuse people of other religions. This chauvinistic mindset(religional or regional) is the real threat to our country. We are facing terrorism and other problems. Against this we should stand united(not separated by religion,caste,lanuguage,state,what not). Unfortunately some political parties and organisations are still practicing the old British policy of 'Divide and Rule'. Let us stand united as Indian citizens and do our duties to the country and make India progress.
When ppl write what ever comes to their mind, they should ask proof for it.
You are living in a scientific era (Science:-A particular discipline or branch of learning, especially one dealing with measurable or systematic principles rather than intuition or natural ability.)
I give some idea to ask proof.
Collect following data.
1. List of criminals at world level (including muslim majority country) who did heinous crime (like the kind of Nithary/Arushi/) get the percentage of Muslims in it.
2. List down religious places having illegal electricity/water connection (let me declare mosques will be at the last)
3. List out priests who did crimes, maulvi's will be at last. (When u remember one bomb blast or one incident, do not stop there collect statistics for the year for all the cases)
4. List out religious places where murder happened, (surely mosque will not at the top)
5. Read history of Britain, Pre Victoria era and compare the events there to the same era of any Muslim dynasty (again go by facts, not mere propaganda of any hindutva force)
The days are rotated in the ppl & communities; every situation is a test for all involved. Oppression is a test for oppressor as well the oppressed.
The one who are not aware of past and also do not thinks of the future, should remember, that time is not in very distant history when the world commerce was in control of Muslims, the best cities were Islamic cities, the best buildings were Islamic, and the best art
RE:what about Maoists Killing of Policemen
by JGN on Jul 20, 2008 12:35 PM Permalink
Is that any justification for other terrorist activities? They are not fighting for the supremacy of any religion. They are fighting for the rights of the poor and exploited people.
RE:what about Maoists Killing of Policemen
by KuttiShaytan on Jul 20, 2008 12:38 PM Permalink
very good argument Mr JGN, see i told you, you will be OK soon
