1.Even if the deal is signed tomorrow the earliest we can hope to see electricity from nuclear power will be a minimum of 5 years.
2.It is also intereting to note that USA has not built any nucleat reactor after 1978
3.The cost of nuclear power is Rs 9 per unit while coal power is Rs1.5 per unit.( Which is cheaper Mr. Rahul Gandhi?)
Thus all this drama is not about nuclear power, but a diversionary tactics to remove from centre stage infaltion, the biggest problem ffaced by the middle class/lower class and one of the worst gifts from the Govt which claims to work for the 'aam admi'
RE:Nuclear power
by shekhar insys on Jul 18, 2008 11:32 PM Permalink
understanding stricter global environmental regulations in the years to come forget about generating electricity from coal!!
RE:Nuclear power
by Nadhan on Jul 18, 2008 11:16 PM Permalink
Mr Mukund, I agree that to the fact that the price per unit for coal is cheaper than the nuclear fuel but how much of coal is existing in Inida ? most of the coal India has high ash coal which means the efficiency is less. The initial capital for the nuclear reactors is huge but the operation cost and the fuel cost is comparatively less when you compare the yield.
And we should also not keep all our eggs in one basket,so deft diplomacy in dealing with contracts with the western nations regd nuclear supplies should be done. and mean while we should focus on other sources of energy. The problem is we need energy to sustain our growth.
RE:Nuclear power
by Parasuram D on Jul 19, 2008 02:35 AM Permalink
Cost of nucleal power generation may be higher, but can be done if there is no options available? just sit without power just because its going to cost 9 rs/unit?
RE:Nuclear power
by shekhar insys on Jul 18, 2008 11:30 PM Permalink
understanding the stricter global environemtnal regulations ahead, forget about generating electricity from coal!!
RE:Nuclear power
by SunilB on Jul 18, 2008 10:55 PM Permalink
When the economic liberalisation was initiated in the 1990s,there were a lot of people who said that this would make India a weaker nation. Look where we are now, almost 20 years down the line.We are one of the bigest economies and on the way to becoming an economic super power.
While the cost of coal power is Rs. 1.5 per unit, what about the environmental damage? Who will calculate its cost? And are we willing to hand over a pollution laden world to our children?
RE:Nuclear power
by Thanappan K on Jul 19, 2008 12:04 AM Permalink
'We are one of the bigest economies'. Thanks for the complement. But more than 40% of Indians earn less than Rs 40 per day, as per the report of the Planning Commission headed by Ayotollah of Liberalisation Mr Aluhwaliah. As for environmental damage, in case of a nuclear catastrophy there would be no world to leave to our children.
RE:Nuclear power
by Hate Who divides on Jul 18, 2008 10:42 PM Permalink
Correct there is one more wth these deals they can make more than 200 crore rupeess our military nucclear programm will be compromised that may be a reason why they opposed BJP in 1998 ...........they want to loose land to pak china ....in each and every war ................ really a Idiot party called Congress Party
RE:Nuclear power
by abcd efg on Jul 19, 2008 09:16 AM Permalink
1. Other power houses like coal based units take about 10-15 years minimum so 5 years is just more than pretty good. 2. USA is doing what is in their interest, we should do what is in our interest. Are you inferring we bootlick them? 3. Thats a bit exaggerated. The cost of coal power is increasing and is not less than 2-4 rs. while nuclear power is about 8rs. so what? anyways, the consumer costs are based on amount of power wasted or given free by politicians.
Inflation is an economic indicator and we are doing much better than even some of the so called developed nations.
N deal is a next thing that India can bouch for and people are sure that Indian brian can extrat full benefits of it. Let our leaders decided about its fate in a democratic manner.
RE:Let us support N deal
by Navdeep Gupta on Jul 18, 2008 10:59 PM Permalink
Who the fool you are to support or not to support, we are dumb fool Indian Citizens know just to talk on Rediff. When time will come to vote, you and I all will run to these parties only. Andho main kana Raja is the best we can say about India
Communist Parties and NDA allies are behaving in highly egoistic manner. They are not looking at Interest of India but Working whole heartedly in the interests of Countries like China. Today we know it well that Nuclear deal not only promises Cheaper Electricity but also strategic technology needed by India. Every one has seen that China is making Competitive Exports of all products by being Energy efficient. They Import Iron ores & Minerals at steep costs yet they are able to export Finished products like cars batteries and machinery Cheaper than rest of World. Why our Parties are not waking up to the fact that we desperately need to electrify not only rural India but also make uninteruptted and reliable power supplies accross Cities. The Parties opposing Nuke deal are not in favour of Common Man. Every one knows the delay in Nuclear deal Benefits the parents (China) of Communist parties. BJP leadership is also not behaving in National Interest, they are just interested in toppling Goverment and Embarrassing India before World Community. They should understand that This deal is International deal for benefit of India. If they have some suggestions let them come up with it clearly. BJP has done nothing to improve the electricity situation in Country. It was vision of Rajiv Gandhi which brought Indian Intelligence through computers. Its now Vision of Congress again to electrify India on high Growth Economy.
RE:Nuclear Deal
by Thanappan K on Jul 18, 2008 09:50 PM Permalink
I would like to point out one thing you idiot, even after all masks of MMS like a highly efficient economist, honest etc etc had blown along the wind you still sing the worn out theme of 'China interest'. I advise you to read newspapers and please know that China is ready to support MMS&Co in NSG.
RE:Nuclear Deal
by Prakash Asrani on Jul 18, 2008 10:38 PM Permalink
Thanga, Your Keralite brain has been moth(CPM & CPI)eaten for a long time. Hence you can not think straight. China is supporting India in NSG since it knows that its pilloos will torpedo the Govt from inside India.
RE:Nuclear Deal
by Thanappan K on Jul 18, 2008 11:20 PM Permalink
Dear Prakash, You have 'prakash' only in name and not in ideas or intelligence. Discuss about merits of the deal and do not vomit ideas floated by vested interests. For a few dollars you get out of coolie work in US pl dont bark.
RE:Nuclear Deal
by SunilB on Jul 18, 2008 10:59 PM Permalink
why don't u tell this to our comrades...who are still in the socialist mind-set. Communism is no longer a force in the world and has proven to be a fake ideology. The only reason the Left opposes it is because the deal is to be signed with the US.
RE:RE:Nuclear Deal
by Thanappan K on Jul 18, 2008 11:23 PM Permalink
'The only reason the Left opposes it is because the deal is to be signed with the US.' You are correct dear. That is the reason, because no nation that has aligned with US has never progressed. See the history of Pak,Afghan, Iraq and the list is very long. We in India should want to live peacefully throughout our lifetime and not suffer like our unfortunate counterparts in these countries.
RE:RE:RE:Nuclear Deal
by Thanappan K on Jul 18, 2008 11:27 PM Permalink
'no nation that has aligned with US has never progressed' Sorry for the typing error. It should be EVER.
RE:Nuclear Deal
by My Reminiscence on Jul 18, 2008 11:44 PM Permalink
You are right Mr Thanappan when you say..."We in India should want to live peacefully throughout our lifetime "
We live peacefully in dark dungeons with out elecetricity.....Guys like you with half knowledge lik eyoue commies make our country's retrograde in all aspects....For your kind information...if all countries who had this deal with US are suffering, then why did china had a similar deal with US. As per your logic, even china should find its way to the league of pak, afghan...right....you are contradicting your own logic....keep barking....
RE:Nuclear Deal
by Thanappan K on Jul 19, 2008 12:09 AM Permalink
Dear Reminiscence, When we talk about Indian nuclear deal why do you drag China ? If you are attracted by China signing the deal go and live in China. Besides as far as I know China is careful enough in the deal not to be dragged into strategic partnership with US.
RE:Needs
by Pankaj Singh on Jul 18, 2008 09:47 PM Permalink
really N-deal in favor of common man of india at this time electricity is major problem of india .n -deal may solve it.
to the common man what all this means ? will it get him do waqt ki roti aur kapada aur chota makaan ? what it really will mean to the suiciding farmer ?? whether it will revive him ? what happens to the malnutritious and hungry kids ?? what happens for the job-seeking candidates ? many questions crop up ? why all this big size vehicles on the roads which eat into the road space and result in cutting of trees and polluting environment ? will this deal do anything ?? in all the melodrama, the simple Indian is wondering ?????
RE:common man !!!
by Sensible Indian on Jul 18, 2008 09:16 PM Permalink
Well, atleast this deal may help us to solve some of those issues right? The issues you have highlighted depend on other evils like corruption and population. And these can't be removed by the GOVT, they need to be cleaned from mindsets of the people first.
So atleast, nuclear deal will not worsen this situation?
I the ex-pm of this country do hereby instruct our MPs to vote for deal. I m sending this massage through rediff coz i am not able to speak in front of Lal Adha*wani. Please do so.
RE:Vote for Deal
by Ganesh Balagurunathan on Jul 18, 2008 08:35 PM Permalink
Dont send the 'massage'...do the 'massage'. & u can do it without any speaking at all
First have clarity on How many tonnes of nuclear fuel would be delivered to India along with dispatch schedules and at what price.
How much of it can be readily used in our current reactors.
What is the project cost of setting up nuclear reactors. Will IAEA fund it for signing the deal?
What will be the cost per unit generation. How much of this power will be made available for poor farmers in India free of charge for signing the deal? for what duration?
EVEN WE VOTED FOR THE INDIVIDUAL OR THE PARTY AFTER ELECTING WE HAVE GIVEN HIM THE RIGHT TO REPRESENT US AND ALSO THE POWER TO VOTE ON OUR BEHALF .... HE SHUD B ALLOWED TO VOTE AS PER HIS CONSCIENCE NEED NOT ALSO DISCLOSE WEATHER FOR OR AGAINST.
The article and most of the people writing about the trust vote are taking a patently wrong like. Rahul says many MP's of BJP are in favour of the deal. So he wants all of them to vote for UPA. Similarly many MP's in UPA shall be against the deal. Shall they vote against the govt. The trust vote is not for the deal but for the govt. If Congress was so sincere about the deal, they should have told every thing about this in detail to the Parliamnet as also the nation. All this is going on for almost 2/3 years. There could have been a thorough debate in Parliament as also in other forums. The govt could have asked the parliament to vote on the deal in a secret ballot like it is being done in USA. And all they did was that the parliament's approval is not required. But now the question is for the govt to prove it's majority in parliament. Once there major supporter has withdrawn its support, the govt has to prove its majority. It is the duty of the govt to arrange its numbers.No where in any democratic country the opposition provides numbers to the govt. Like written in the article also, many in the UPA may be against the deal and many in opposition may be in favour. But it does not make a difference. franky more 99% of the MP's including Rahul Gandhi & Sonia Gandhi and more then 99.99% of the public does not know ABC of the deal. Every body is just talking and talking without any knowledge. I also belong to 99.99%.
RE:DEAL & UPA
by ALOK DHOTEKAR on Jul 18, 2008 07:22 PM Permalink
I am one of those who have understood the deal and I know that we stand to reap fruits out of this deal in every way.
Why did the need for the deal arise ? To remind you the second nuclear test was done way back some time and that gave rise to the need for US to take an assurance that the further nuclear fuel that they will supply will not be used to repeat that route. If you have followed the events you will recall it was Dr APJ who worked to test the trigger the second time. It is he who is now also clear that tests have not to be conducted again and again. The learned individual that he is has already supported the deal.If you read the presentations it is clear that India's right of test is retained.
The deal is required to be able to procure nuclear fuel for our nuclear reactors. You are aware of the power shortage present in the nation. The deal is the correction route to this power gap eliminating.
The opposition to the deal is by CPM who take US as the eternal enemy. Be reminded of the definition given by Dr Samuelson..." If you do not turn Communist by 17, you do not have a Heart, But if you continue to be a Communist after 25 you do not have HEAD." I need not elaborate it more.
The initiation to sign this deal was done by BJP in their days in power. Pramod Mahajan was one of those who were entrusted the initiation. Now with the chance of POWER coming visible to BJP they want to take the chance of pulling down the govt by voting against the confidence motion.
RE:DEAL & UPA
by Mukesh Kripalani on Jul 18, 2008 08:15 PM Permalink
hmmm... good analytical reply.... i wonder why every news channel continues to just echo what each MP is going to do and not do this kind of study and present it. If this kind of analysis is presented continuously instead of the constant numbers game thats being shown, at least there will be some sensical debate(if at all there is one). good you hv understood the deal. i hope someone picks this up and airs it for everyone to see it. as of now all politicians are up in protecting their stated positions !!
RE:DEAL & UPA
by Thanappan K on Jul 18, 2008 09:58 PM Permalink
"it is clear that India's right of test is retained" So also the right and obligation on the part of US to stop fuel supply and create another "Tharapore Experience", in case India takes any decisions in future that is inimical to the interests of the US govt.
RE:DEAL & UPA
by Correct Choice on Jul 18, 2008 10:12 PM Permalink
Objections: 1. Dr Kalam has since revoked his support in the light of fresh discussions with Mr Shourie. 2. There is a lot of problem as regards the cost of power generated by nuclear route. In all probablity it will be way too costly. 3. BJP has clearly and repeatedly stated that they are not against a nuclear cooperation deal, but not in this format, which compromises some of our sovereign rights. 4. The entire attitude of the UPA government in this matter smacks of dishonesty, not bothering about national consensus on important international policy matters. 5. The deal is in a way ostensibly about bringing together two democracies for a strategic purpose, but as it stands today, it definitely is humiliating to us, and does not recognise our rights. 6. Why can't the UPA try to use the opposition objections to wriggle out a more favourable deal for us?
RE:DEAL & UPA
by Sukumar Samajpati on Jul 18, 2008 10:32 PM Permalink
10 years back, We had a foreign reserve of 30 bil $. Today it's close to 200 bil $. The improvement came because of the open economy and new generation Indians who thinks India can also be a develop country. We were blessed with some good quality leaders during post independence. There were some quality thinkers, visionaries always born in India. Unfortunately the place has changed. Today political parties run like an organization. They have the complete database of people and they have also kept highly paid Management Graduates who are constantly using media, drafting speeches for ministers and MPs. Each and every move is being invested by Business men who will gain from this move. So, let’s accept the truth that Deal or NO-Deal. UPA or NDA, Left or Right everyone is trying to get their mileage from this situation. Please, don’t get surprise that horse trading is not new in India, BJP bought SP MPs in 1994 almost at 70% less price than the numbers floating today in the market. Cong , CPI-M BJP, SP everyone is doing it. Guys, you have accept that this is a better bet than any other business you are doing . So, let’s not waste your time here, Just try to be an MP or MLA instead.
