The "agreement and deal" with white men have very much influence on indian polity even in the past. we indians have not heard about such things as deal before the coming of east india company in culcutta. First they made a deal with Diwan of bengal,made concession to diwan got Bengal under their controll.Then with Bombay,madrass with local kings and finally got India. Britan made deal with company and got India with them. They made deal with congress and india become their family property. Narasimha Rao made deal with World bank and our platform (farmers)broken . Now we are going with U.s for deal and the result will be......
SOMANATH CHATERJEE WILL GLADLY PRISDED OVER AS A SPEAKER OF THE LOK SABHA WHEN SHABUDDING AND PAPPU YADAY ARE VOTING. IF NECESSARY HE WILL VOTE ALONG WITH THEM.
RE:SOMANATH CHATERJEE
by devdass on Jul 16, 2008 05:33 PM Permalink
Somnath has shown the true colour of commies! He makes tall claims that he is unbiased but vehemently hates BJP the main opposition in Loksabha.Uses that hatred conveniently to hold on to the post! Can anybody guess how much Dalal Amar would have paid him?
RE:No Confidence
by madan menon on Jul 16, 2008 05:23 PM Permalink
BUT according to latest reports even some young BJP MPs may support MMS as they support nuclear deal. so Dr. Singh might just survive this time with slender majority. do not rule out anything.
Nuclear Agreement between India - USA :MUST READ BY EVERY INDIAN
There are lot of talks about 1 2 3 Agreement between India & USA and it almost led to the topple of Central Government. In this mail I am trying to explain the commercial & technical aspects relating to this Agreement which I have read and sharing with you.
What is 123 Agreement?
This is called 123 Agreement because this comes under USA's Atomic Power Act Section 123. Let's see how India's (Indians?) Sovereignty & Independence are pledged...
(1) After this Agreement USA will supply all fuel, machinery / equipment & technology to India for producing Nuclear Power.
(2) All these days from about 22 Nuclear Power Plants, India is producing power as well as Atom. It's a high security / secret that from where which is produced, how much is produced, where it is supplied, what research is being done with that, etc. to anybody. But if we sign this Agreement, we have to disclose these secrets and also agree to 14 of our Nuclear Power Plants to be under the scanner of International Atomic Power Organization.
(3) The fuel utilised to produce Atomic Power can be recycled for reuse and this plant will be under direct supervision of IAPO.
If India does nuclear test, this agreement gets cancelled. But
(1) USA will take back all the machinery / equipments / technology supplied to India thus far.
(2) Those 14 plants will continue to be under scanner irrespective of the status of the
RE:Y 123 Agreement
by shuchi thakker on Jul 16, 2008 05:32 PM Permalink
Ok Sir, U told us about what if we sign, now logically also explain where we would stand in next 50 yrs, if we don't go ahead with it? what do u think about the world which is opening up & there won't be any privacy not only in our kitchen & hall but also in our bedrooms?
RE:Y 123 Agreement
by Raj on Jul 16, 2008 05:10 PM Permalink
On the other hand, if any of the commitments given by USA is breached by them, then there is no clause for cancelling this agreement.
The agreement is apparently like this... USA can either hug India or slap India. India will not ask why are we hugged or why are we slapped. On the other hand, India cannot hug or slap USA for breach of agreement.
This is only capsule so that easy to read and digest.
Subject: India Pledged.... Part 2
Requirement of Power
The most important requirement for India's Economic Growth in the coming years will be the power & infrastructure. The argument put forth favouring the 123 Agreement says that we need Nuclear Power Production to be increased to meet the demand.
Power Production in India
Presently following are the figures:
Thermal Power 66%
Hydel Power 26%
Solar & Wind Power 5% - Presently Rs.600 Crores are spent for producing this power.
Nuclear Power 3% - If this is to be increased to 6%, it requires additional Rs.50,000 Crores.
Naturally it will be wise to increase other 3 modes of power production rather than the expensive & dangerous Nuclear Power. Isn't??
URANIUM
We used to import Uranium from various other countries. After the Pokran Test, we are not getting it. To augment the supply, we need to sign the 123 Agreement to get Uranium from USA. But we will have to declare to USA from which power plant India takes raw material for producing Atom Bomb. Why
RE:RE:Y 123 Agreement
by Raj on Jul 16, 2008 05:11 PM Permalink
Why should we disclose our internal secrets to those rascals ? Will any one allow an outsider to continuously monitor what's happening in your Hall & Kitchen of your house? Other study reveals that Uranium is available in India aplenty. Only hurdle is the acquisition of land. To produce Atomic Power & Bomb in the next 40 years, the requirement of Uranium is 25,000 MT whereas the availability is 78,000 MT across India.
PLUTONIUM
Presently 35% of Plutonium is used to produce Atomic Bombs. After signing the Agreement, we will be allowed to use only 10%. Who are those rascals to restrict the usage of our natural resource ? That is though you are capable of cooking & eating 10 idlis as your breakfast, you are allowed only 3 idlis henceforth. How can it be? Why should we accept this?
THORIUM
As told by Dr.APJ, we have abundant Thorium. In fact we are the 2nd largest producer of Thorium next only to Australia. India has to explore this further for producing power. For your information, in South India - particularly around Kanyakumari, the availability of Thorium is abundant.
RE:Y 123 Agreement
by anita kumar on Jul 16, 2008 05:32 PM Permalink
India also has PARIWARIUM in plenty centered mainly around Nagpur and with a good sprinkling in Gujarat and now Karnataka and some other states. This radio active pseudo material is allergic to anything which is not to its liking and can be used to produce a lot of empty gas for producing energy.
RE:Y 123 Agreement
by Rohit on Jul 16, 2008 05:49 PM Permalink
It is informative, but is it complete information? Why Dr APJ and other leaders, seniors bureaucrats supporting it? Frankly I don’t know technicalities of the agreements but I trust our leaders from whom so ever party he may be. Person in that position would not compromise nation's security other wise he could not have reached there in democracy like ours. Look how free we are to express of opinions.
RE:RE:Y 123 Agreement
by frankfurt boy on Jul 16, 2008 07:52 PM Permalink
I have posted my comments based on facts however, it was removed. I did not make any personal comments but rediff removed it saying abuse alert. Come on, rediff. how long you can hide truth or how long you can adjust truth?
RAM NAIK IS NOT EVEN A MP GOVINDA DEFEATED HIM. IS IT TRUE. BJP HAS BEEN TRASHED BY MAYAWATI MORE THAN ONCE BUT THEY ARE THE ONE WHO ARE STILL READY TO LICK HER FEET
RE:RAM NAIK
by arp on Jul 16, 2008 05:11 PM Permalink
@prajapati,Left front screwed the UPA after enjoying power without accountability not NDA.IAEA went to IRAQ ,u see the result.Now IAEA want to come to india.God save INDIA
Ram Naik says (in the last line of the above interview) that we (BJP) are opposed to only one point - that we lose the independence of having nuclear tests !!! Vajpayeeji, himself categorically stated that we will not have another tests and now the BJP is opposed to loosing a choice they will not exercise at all ????? Moreover, there is nothing in the Deal that says anything about India's military facilities or intentions or rights or the lack of it !!!! How hypocritical can the BJP be ?
RE:Ram Naik and the BJP on the Nuclear Deal
by hindu on Jul 16, 2008 05:02 PM Permalink
But is it not the whole point . We said we will not do the testing. This decision was taken on our own free will and we should also have freedom to go back on the decision at any point on future without asking for permission from any agency or country
RE:RE:Ram Naik and the BJP on the Nuclear Deal
by mahabodhi on Jul 16, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
@roheit you have exposed your ideolgy and confirmed that RSSBJP did say that they only want NPlants for Energy and do not want to have anyy more arms Nuclear test etc !So you confirm this !This expose the coorupt antinational and traitor nature of you and your RSSBJP leaders !
RE:Ram Naik and the BJP on the Nuclear Deal
by rajesh prajapati on Jul 16, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
You are screwing a govt and the country over your right to screw and have fun but not be productive !!!
RE:Ram Naik and the BJP on the Nuclear Deal
by mahabodhi on Jul 16, 2008 05:02 PM Permalink
@roheit this is your ideology of RSSBJP ! What you mean you wat to have NPlants for only power generation and not for arms !Uou have exposed yourself !RSSBJP policy that they did surrendered the soveriegnity of the Mothe rIndia is exposed by your statement !
RE:RE:Ram Naik and the BJP on the Nuclear Deal
by rajesh prajapati on Jul 16, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
You are screwing a govt and the country over your right to screw and have fun but not be productive !!!
RE:Ram Naik and the BJP on the Nuclear Deal
by rajesh prajapati on Jul 16, 2008 05:11 PM Permalink
Mr. All Right, read the draft and let me know one para, sentence or line that prevents you from your military options! Before you teach others dictionary meanings, understand what we are discussing! All Right, you have got the deal All Wrong!
RE:RE:Ram Naik and the BJP on the Nuclear Deal
by All Right on Jul 16, 2008 05:12 PM Permalink
You didn't even know what I was talking about.... so I know now how much you know about the deal.. .;-)
RE:Ram Naik and the BJP on the Nuclear Deal
by rajesh prajapati on Jul 16, 2008 05:23 PM Permalink
That is the point! Did you know what you were talking about ?
RE:RE:RE:Ram Naik and the BJP on the Nuclear Deal
by rajesh prajapati on Jul 16, 2008 05:27 PM Permalink
Read all the 130 clauses in the draft and then reply what is objectionable, which is what I asked. If you don't know, just shut and don't reply!
RE:Ram Naik and the BJP on the Nuclear Deal
by mayank patel on Jul 16, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
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