History will never forgive BJP & Left for Anti India Stand !!! 1)Left is with china & BJP is with Pakistan thats why china & pakistan are happy today.. Advani like last time(Jinna episode) will tell Pakistan is Secular country as PM of India on his next visit!!! 2)Nuclear deal is supported by all great visionaries & Intellectuals like Dr.Kalam,Mr.Brajesh Mishra(BJP Advisor),Dr.Manmohan singh(Architect of New India),Anil Kakodkar(Great Nuclear Scientist),Mr.Iyer(Nuclear Scientist),Sri Sri Ravishankar (Spiritual Guru) etc..... 3) where is RSS -- they should give again dose to Advani for his Anti India stand just like they gave in Jinnah Episode--- History will never Forgive Advani's BJP !!!
RE:History will never forgive BJP
by BhagatSukhdevRajguru on Jul 17, 2008 07:37 AM Permalink
1)I know very well & I hope ur confused about yours !!! 2)It always happens with BJP and all blind follower of only one party.When they dont have valid points to fight they will make personal comment & statement. 3)thts why one of the great pesonality has called the opposition & left "Headless Chicken" -- :)
RE:History will never forgive BJP
by Ramesh Kapoor on Jul 17, 2008 06:29 AM Permalink
By taking the names of three eminent freedom fighters does not make you a hero. If you have not reasoned out, even now, the reason why BJP is opposing the NDeal, God Help You and your wisdom!
RE:History will never forgive BJP
by BhagatSukhdevRajguru on Jul 17, 2008 07:00 AM Permalink
1)What about the wisdom of all great visionaries & Intellectuals like Dr.Kalam,Mr.Brajesh Mishra(BJP Advisor),Dr.Manmohan singh(Architect of New India),Anil Kakodkar(Great Nuclear Scientist),Mr.Iyer(Nuclear Scientist),Sri Sri Ravishankar (Spiritual Guru) etc..... 2)Advani's BJP is playing politics at the cost of Nation-- if Mr.Vajpayee would have been active then he would have supported as he is true Bharatiya 3)Dont be with Party but be with Nation !!!
RE:History will never forgive BJP
by someone on Jul 17, 2008 07:07 AM Permalink
PM should first clarify about our independence to conduct nuclear test in future. As Ram Naik has said, we should not let our hands being tied by the US.
RE:History will never forgive BJP
by BhagatSukhdevRajguru on Jul 17, 2008 07:16 AM Permalink
1)PM/Government has already clarified in Parliament and Government will again clarify during trust vote and you can directly read all clauses of the Text (text now out in open) 2)Advani BJP, Left should point the clauses which are against the Nation instead of making noises. 3)Atleast Follow words of wisdom of great visionaries & Intellectuals like Dr.Kalam,Mr.Brajesh Mishra(BJP Advisor),Dr.Manmohan singh(Architect of New India),Anil Kakodkar(Great Nuclear Scientist),Mr.Iyer(Nuclear Scientist),Sri Sri Ravishankar (Spiritual Guru) etc.....
RE:History will never forgive BJP
by someone on Jul 17, 2008 12:05 PM Permalink
Few months back, MMS gave a statement that this agreement do not prevents India from conducting Nuclear tests, and our PM's statement was immediately refuted in Washington DC.
RE:History will never forgive BJP
by Gopal on Jul 17, 2008 06:23 AM Permalink
Read 123 agreement, Hyde act and the article google "A betrayal of India’s constitutional vision" in the Hindu dated 17.7.08 and a few articles written by eminent persons. Not employed. They can only speak for the master. Think as an Indian!
History will always ask questions to Mr.Advani & BJP --why they did not support the deal which was in National interest(are they with pakistan just like left is with chinese) 1)All intellectual & visionaries are supporting the deal - Dr.Kalam, Mr.Brajesh mishra(BJP advisor), Dr.Manmohan singh(Architect of New India), Dr.Anil Kakodkar(Great Scientist), Mr.Iyer(Nuclear Scientist),Sri Sri Ravinshankar(Spiritual Guru) etc.... 2)Advani just like his last visit to pakistan said Jinnah was Secular -- now again he is with pakistan 3) In last govern, we know what BJP did for common man, no increment , no development,Cylinder prices increased to 300 rs from 150--RAM naik was petroleum minister --BJP cannot decrease oil price once in power 4)India will become more stronger & powerful with more energy -- Russia,China has already signed the deal-- Timing is important--nxt time India will sign it will be too late --already china will be way ahead and pakistan will be too near -- when Pakistan gets the deal at that time India is going to sign? 5) See small countries like Korea,Japan,France.... they all have enough energy for everynook & corner of country--they even dont know load shedding & load variation --these headless chickens dont want India to become advance nation like them 6) Thanks to Left & BJP that china & pakistan is happy. Any how BJP is going to get in power nxt election--they must support Deal which is in India's favour. History will never forgive BJP for their anti
The tory will remember him as 'Nalayak' Person. And the conspiracy against him is orchasterated by none other than Maino Antonia. The govt. will fall soon. The deal will not be signed. Sardaar will be prooved 'Nalayak' and Maino Antonia can project her son for PM post. The media blitz and all the hue and cry over the Nuke deal was to put cover over the 4 year of dark ages of this govt. This govt. was a total failure and every MP was worried how are we going to go back to our voters in 2009. It govt. will fall soon and Indian voters will be told no one but a 'Gandhi only' can run India . There is a whole gang of congressees working on how best to make MMS 'bali kaa bakra' and bring in the most useless of all Rahul baba in.
RE:Stop MMSingh and CO. direct and open CIA-agent of Bush, before 18th July.
by stav on Jul 17, 2008 05:16 AM Permalink
sorry we are not porkis or chinese.
While there is little chance Omar al-Bashir, the Sudanese president, will ever be brought to trial following his indictment by the International Criminal Court (ICC), the charges brought against him nevertheless offer hope for anyone concerned about human rights around the world. For Americans, however, the ICC indictment should offer a moment of sombre reflection not merely for our relative inaction with regard to years of mass murder in Sudan. It is equally disturbing that much of the al-Bashir indictment could just as easily be applied to George Bush, the US president.
Here is part of what the indictment says:
"Bashir was directly responsible [for the activities of the militias]. He is the president. He is the commander-in-chief. Those are not just formal words. He used the whole state apparatus. He used the army; he enrolled the militia/Janjaweed. They all report to him. They all obey him. His control is absolute."
In such context, Bush is also directly responsible for the horrific disaster in Iraq.
Bush's imperial presidency, with its "Unitary Executive" and arrogation of the right to declare war from the constitutionally-appointed Congress, has similarly "used the whole state apparatus" to wage the Iraq war. He "enrolled" our soldiers and his military commanders who "all report to him".
For Bush, like al-Bashir, "they all obey him. His control is absolute".
Looks like the word 'history' is taken widely today to mean only short term chronicles !!
Yes, chronicles. That is where all our prime ministers and presidents will be relegated to in the very long run. None among them (save perhaps Nehru and Indira Gandhi to a limited extent; if only due to the sheer length of time they were in power and also due to the fact that the Indian republic was very young in their time and so would always be 'historical' when seen from a point far into the future) would secure anything more than a mere mention in the footnotes of history books, if at all.
In 60 years of independence, we have already had 13 prime ministers and in 200 years, this number could swell to 50 or more (especially since the polity has become more and more fragmented and political musical chairs can become more frequent than it is today).
Seen against this sobering backdrop, the thinly veiled pretensions of our prime ministers (and also those like Mr. Advani who keep on salivating in eager expectation to become PMs) to claim places in history that compare in presence with those of Ashoka, Chandragupta or Akbar are comical, to say the least.
200 years hereon, a school student may remember the above named monarchs with vivid ease (as students through the ages might have done) but very likely would draw a blank if someone were to mention a certain 'Nehru'.
RE:History ? What history ?
by James Bond on Jul 16, 2008 10:45 PM Permalink
Yeah! Does the length of time have to decide the importance of a tenure in history? Sometimes few moments are enough to leave a scar on history, eg., Jallianwalah Bagh massacre in 1919, Bhopal gas leak 1984, Babri mosque demolition 1992 or the 1993 Mumbai blasts, the tsunami, etc. People will seldom forget a Sanjay Gandhi or a Jagdish Tytler or a Bal Thackeray/Raj Thackeray.
RE:History ? What history ?
by sibby mathews on Jul 16, 2008 11:04 PM Permalink
Sanjay Gandhi may never once be known by most among today's younger generation, much less future generations !!
Do you seriously think that the names you mentioned will be remembered or recognised 200 years later ???
RE:History ? What history ?
by James Bond on Jul 16, 2008 11:28 PM Permalink
Dear Sibby, Thanks for the comment. Personal tragedies do linger through generations. Ask any Kashmiri Pundit family who lost a dear one or were uprooted. Any German jewish family would ever forget/forgive the Nazis even after 200 years. I happened to be travelling from Pune to B'lore on Dec 31, 1988, the day the Shiv Sena annual conference ended. I stood the whole night instead of sleeping on my reserved berth. Even months-old babies were displaced by the Sainiks. How would the scores of sikhs who saw their family being dragged out to be butchered forget, even after 200 years? You have got to be superhuman to overcome that kind of feeling and forgive, to forget. In this day and age of individualism, the pangs of hurt and revenge are even intense.
RE:History ? What history ?
by sibby mathews on Jul 17, 2008 12:01 AM Permalink
It is not only the present age that has seen such trauma. Trauma and cataclysms have always been part of history.
Yet, typically, whatever runs to your mind are only those that have occurred in the recent past. I am sure you would not attach such emotive importance to similar incidents of the distant past. And I am also sure that even those who inherit the legacy of long past upheavals would actually care much less about those episodes than their predecessors and those who actually lived through those times did. This is human nature. We live in an age in India that has seen sharp polarisation on the basis of religion. And part of this polarisation has been caused to happen by those who remain hurt or who would like to remain hurt by past injustices. Yet, even among those that seek to keep such very old embers burning, it is only the relatively recent injustices of history that find constant favour. Thus, while mughal excesses are frequently referred to by hindu extremists, the far bloodier episodes of religious oppression by the likes of Malik Kafur (commander for Alauddin Khilji) are seldom remembered, nay even forgotten!Similarly, in Pakistan, while muslim fundamentalists keep alive memories of the pre-independence era Muslim league's fears and feelings of insecurity in a possible hindu majority united India after independence, no one remembers or is emotionally attached to the far greater violations suffered from invading mongols and turks much earlier in history !!
RE:BJP - THE GOBAR GAS PARTY...
by Ramprasad Subramanian on Jul 17, 2008 04:16 AM Permalink
So what if the Cow dung turns out to be a good fuel we can use that....whats wrong in that...atleast we can minimise our petrol bill every year we are spending...
Turns out, it's going to cost taxpayers $32 billion more than first thought to open and operate the nation's first nuclear waste dump.
The Bush administration's latest calculation — made public Tuesday — is that the facility will cost over $90 billion. It's the first official estimate since 2001, when the figure was $58 billion.
Ward Sproat, the Energy Department official in charge of managing the controversial Yucca Mountain repository project in Nevada, disclosed the new number to reporters after a congressional hearing Tuesday.
The estimate includes $9 billion already spent and covers about 100 years of operation until the dump, 90 miles northwest of Las Vegas, is sealed up forever.
Some of the increase is due to inflation, Sproat said. Also Energy Department officials now expect the dump will hold more radioactive waste than the 77,000 tons initially approved by Congress.
A report with precise cost breakdowns will be released to Congress in the next several weeks, Sproat said.
Already, some 64,000 tons of radioactive spent fuel rods are stored at commercial reactor sites in 33 states, according to the Nuclear Energy Institute. Most of it is stored in vault-like pools while some has been moved into dry-cask storage, where Nevada lawmakers, who oppose Yucca Mountain, would like it to stay.
Sproat opposes that plan as impractical. He also objected to other interim storage options raised Tuesday by frustrated lawmakers, w
RE:Total nuke dump cost to top $90 billion
by Gopal on Jul 17, 2008 12:37 AM Permalink
OH GOD Let our protagonists of the N-deal see this. The manipulation behind this deal is to stop our effort to develop Thorium technology. By going with n-deal all our financial resources will be drained. We will not be in a position to give serious thought on Thorium. Remember stock of Uranium in the world is depleting fast, reaching the end-point by 2070. It is not far. The present projected target is 40000MW in the next 20-30 years. It is an unrealistic projection, in my opinion. There may be some thought of PREFABRICATED PLANTS for the plants to speed-up the commissioning. A disastrous thinking for the nation. Think of the radiation hazards connected with it. By that time Uranium will reach near its end point. Then what is the need of the deal? The nuclear deal is for getting Uranium. Then question arises-what is it for? The aim of the western powers is to take away our (60% of world deposit) Thorium at their dictated price. Our leaders should be intelligent enough to read these facts. All investments made for building Uranium based plants will be wasted. Should we waste such a huge astronomically large investments?
The hidden agenda behind the Nuke deal is acquiring the technology for producing nuclear energy from Thorium. Only Thorium based nuke energy got a future. The technology is already available in the market and we need the permission to buy it. Once we master the technology, we are independent. Then we could back out from the deal and even conduct test. But MMS can not reveal this right now as it will jeopardize the whole deal. Even BJP know this but do not want to lose the credit. If BJP come to power they will strictly follow the MMS policy on nuke deal. Wait and watch.
RE:We need the Thorium tech from supply group.
by Observer on Jul 17, 2008 04:44 AM Permalink
Rather MMS is following BJP policy. It was BJP who initiated the deal. Also, MMS followed the BJP policy on economic reforms. BJP was decades ahead on economic policy which PVN and MMS adopted in 1991, against Cong age old policy.
RE:We need the Thorium tech from supply group.
by frankfurt boy on Jul 17, 2008 02:04 PM Permalink
When did BJP rule India for 5 year before 1991? I guess you didn't do your schooling!! A 13 day govt. cannot intiate economic policy that last for years, come on you stupid! To Gopal......... How long are we trying for developing Thorium tech man...? It will be an ever lasting try.... The best option is to buy now. As it is already declared the next generation nuke tech is based on Thorium due to its abundance and low waste production. "The aim of the western powers is to take away our (60% of world deposit) Thorium at their dictated price." Come on man......... we are in 2008! not in 1700s
RE:We need the Thorium tech from supply group.
by Gopal on Jul 17, 2008 12:42 AM Permalink
Remember US is not a fool. Google "Is the nuclear deal about big business" The manipulation behind this deal is to stop our effort to develop Thorium technology. By going with n-deal all our financial resources will be drained. We will not be in a position to give serious thought on Thorium. Remember stock of Uranium in the world is depleting fast, reaching the end-point by 2070. It is not far. The present projected target is 40000MW in the next 20-30 years. It is an unrealistic projection, in my opinion. There may be some thought of PREFABRICATED PLANTS for the plants to speed-up the commissioning. A disastrous thinking for the nation. Think of the radiation hazards connected with it. By that time Uranium will reach near its end point. Then what is the need of the deal? The nuclear deal is for getting Uranium. Then question arises-what is it for? The aim of the western powers is to take away our (60% of world deposit) Thorium at their dictated price. Our leaders should be intelligent enough to read these facts. All investments made for building Uranium based plants will be wasted. Should we waste such a huge astronomically large investments?
