I don't know what kind of foreign policy BJP has?! They don't like China, they oppose US and their attitude with other nations is equally bad! They lost my vote forever.
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by Indigo on Jul 15, 2008 10:03 PM Permalink
Dear Guest you are always a guest and not a native. If you like China please go and donate Arunachal Pradesh to them. This seems to be the top priority of the Congress. The Kargil WAR was won under BJP leadership. Although we faced sanctions due to the nuclear tests we never had seen an 11% inflation and poor price control as of the Congress.
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by Loan Shark on Jul 15, 2008 10:06 PM Permalink
Kargil war happened due to lapses in BJP administration ... they failed to keep a watch on the infiltration ... the nation and its military paid heavily for the naivity of vajpayee's bus ride to Lahore.
If Advani becomes PM, he will do the same except that he will ride a Rath. LOL
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by Indigo on Jul 15, 2008 10:29 PM Permalink
that was not a lapse in the admistration but a lapse in the military intelligence. No military in the world could have ome to know the infiltration as it took place at extreme heights and extreme conditions but BJP immediately fought back and won all the heights. What congress could not do is that they could not win back our land from Chna in 1962 and Pak occupied Kashmir since 1947. If all the lapses in the military intelligence were to be attributed to the govt. then congress is responsible for all the lapses in admistration that caused Mumbai blasts twice in 1993 and in 2006. All the bomb blasts that are carried out by the jehadis in India are attributed to the Congi beggars and their shoddy admistration
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by subbu on Jul 15, 2008 09:37 PM Permalink
Who told you BJP oppose USA?Just read the last line of the message-BJP's stand will be clear to you.BJP opposes tooth and nail the clause(S) which forbid India from conducting her own nuclear tests as and when the reuirement arises.We will not allow these white christians to have a say on the soverignity of our nation-else we may become another Iraq/Afghanistan!
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by Prakash Asrani on Jul 15, 2008 09:48 PM Permalink
Tooth has gone long back since 82 year old budhavoo is going around with false teeth. Nails have been loaned to Shiv Sena Tiger. BJP is a toothless animal.
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by Loan Shark on Jul 15, 2008 09:32 PM Permalink
BJP is pro pakistan 1. They let infiltration happen in kargil. They wanted pakistan to take away rest of kashmir 2. They consider Jinnah as their mentor. 3. They let dreaded terrorist free and provided a cabinet minister to escort them out.
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by Sam Nath on Jul 15, 2008 09:37 PM Permalink
Hey Loan Shark, BJP banned SIMI. BJP threw some Bangladeshi's out from India. Advani spoke the truth about Jinna but never said that Jinna was a good guy etc. Tested Nuclear so that we get more attention in the world politics. Congress gave away Kashmir but BJP is trying to get it back. The list goes on.
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by Loan Shark on Jul 15, 2008 09:48 PM Permalink
BJP threw Bangladeshies out? LOL where did you learn that? in your RSS madarsa?
In fact, when Bangladeshies killed our BSF men, Vajpayee ignored it saying it wasx just a case of cross border adventurism
BJP tested nuclear stuff because it wanted to get attention from within India as they thought that Indians could be united by spreading the fear of threat from pakistan. In fact, they invited economic sanctions by doing those tests.
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by Jitesh Kumar Agrawal on Jul 15, 2008 10:03 PM Permalink
Learn to accept facts, BJP did act though against bangladeshis but its congress which wants them to be the legal voters of India and go on blasting the country in name of religion.
Pokharan did invited economic sanctions but it was the policies of same govt which made the world to withdraw the sanctions and running to India to do business and invest in India.
Was it not NDA policies which kicked the economic growth in India. UPA has only reaped the benefits and mis management and appeasement policies has sc*re*d the country.
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by Loan Shark on Jul 15, 2008 10:10 PM Permalink
ha ha ha ... you are creating these "facts" as you write. BJP was never tough with the Bangla deshi govt. they were always trying to improve their image with neighboring countries .... never tough, always mild.
It was Manmohan Singh in Narsimha rao's cabinet that jump started India's economy. NDA just carried on those plans ... they did nothing new ... OK they did let Modi watch riots and themselves stayed in inaction over disciplining Modi. well it got them votes though .. LOL
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by Prakash Asrani on Jul 15, 2008 09:55 PM Permalink
Who would vote for knickerwalas in 21st century? Religious bigots!!! Two-faced creatures having all characteristics of chameleon. The only reason they are opposing deal is due to the fact they could not achieve the same during their misrule. Dog in the manger policy. 82 year old budhavoo's dream likely to turn into nightmare?
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by Indigo on Jul 15, 2008 10:05 PM Permalink
Asrani means Sindhi isnit it? PLease ask your Sindhi brothers who lost all they had during the partition, their honour, their money, their people. All thanks to the great Congress that divided this Nation under the GORA influence
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by Prakash Asrani on Jul 15, 2008 10:43 PM Permalink
Sindhis are a proud community and I am one of them. They have not cribbed about leaving their motherland and have risen by dint of their hard work which is envy of many in India. It is other religious zealots and bigots who spread hatred in the name of religion who are destroying this great land of India.It is knickerwalas who under the direction of RSS try to divide majority and minority community for their greed and selfish ends.
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by Bharat Kr on Jul 15, 2008 10:42 PM Permalink
BJP is not opposing Nuclear deal. BJP is opposing the deal in its present form, which is against our nation's interests. The deal in its present form will ban India any further nuclear test, strip India as nuclear weapon state and asked to roll-back nuke weapon program. Do we want this? What will happen to us, if China or Pakis invade us? Does US will come to our help? No way. MM Singh condemned the nuke test in 1998, for him India don't need to have nuke weapon. He is happy when US amd Bush praises him, but don't care 1 billion plus peoples voices. He is the neo-dictator of India.
Let us take the cost factor. Running costs are very low but capital costs, construction delays and the costs of eventual decommissioning of plants make nuclear plants extremely uneconomic. Coal plants are costed at Rs.4.5 crores per megawatt and combined-cycle gas or naptha plants around Rs.3 crores per megawatt produced. In contrast, electricity generation through nuclear plants will cost between Rs.7 crores to Rs.10 crores per megawatt. Even The Economist which is pro-nuclear energy says costs worldwide would be $2000 per kilowatt which works out to Rs.8 crores per megawatt. The Wall Street firm, Moody’s in October 2007 said “all in” capital costs would be in the range of $5000 to $6000 per kilowatt. Incidentally, since Governments bear most of the costs in countries like France, Japan and India there is always room for ‘creative accounting’ to minimize estimates which nevertheless are still higher than for other sources.
RE:Nuclear Energy MYTH#1 Nuclear Energy is Cheaper
by Suraj Singh on Jul 15, 2008 09:48 PM Permalink
Myth #14: The deal is not primarily about making money; it is about creating a new U.S. strategic relationship in south Asia.
Fact: The deal is primarily about making money. The main effect of the deal will be to pardon India – to remove it as a violator of international norms. After such a change in status, there will be no impediment to U.S. arms sales. This is where the real money is, not in nuclear reactors. U.S. exporters have mentioned selling as much as $1.4 billion worth of Boeing airliners, hundreds of F-16 or F/A-18 fighter jets, as well as maritime surveillance planes, advanced radar, helicopters, missile defense and other equipment. The Russian press has even complained that the nuclear deal is a ploy to squeeze Russia out of the Indian arms market.
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by suneera rahman on Jul 15, 2008 09:51 PM Permalink
There is a lot of Untruth in costing of power that many anti-neuclearists intentionally hide. How have they priced the hydro- and thermal power? How do you estimate the environmental cost and how do you price it? It is like pricing parent's value. Most of those who are against nuclear power just do not wnat India to have it. Their proclaimed reason are different from the actual one.
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by Sastry on Jul 15, 2008 09:55 PM Permalink
Your sweeping stmt is not in good taste. I don't agree if you say that there is nothing about nuclear energy.
RE:Nuclear Energy MYTH#1 Nuclear Energy is Cheaper
by SONU on Jul 15, 2008 09:18 PM Permalink
MYTH#2Nuclear energy is clean The problem of radioactive nuclear waste disposal is simply unsolvable, leaving a mess for future generations. Besides, lax international rules allow all kinds of abuses. France’s La Hague plant uses a pipeline to discharge hundreds of millions of litres of liquid radioactive waste into the English Channel polluting seas flowing to the Arctic. As for global warming how many Indians know that no country, including France and Japan that get 75% and 40% of their electricity respectively from nuclear power, has seen a reduction of carbon emissions because these are also created by transport and industry. Without a revolution in conventional economic thinking and organization which rejects the high-energy intensive model of growth (that in the first place justifies constructing nuclear plants) we cannot overcome the global warming problem. Between 1965 and 1995 Japan obtained an extra 45,000 megawatts through nuclear plants but its annual carbon emissions went up from 400 million tonnes (1965) to 1200 million tonnes (1995). To make a significant difference we would need to build one plant a week for the next 50 years. Either way, this is impossible and would entail huge costs and create an even more difficult and dangerous waste disposal problem.
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by SONU on Jul 15, 2008 09:19 PM Permalink
MYTH#3Nuclear renaissance No company in the US has yet ordered a nuclear plant though some have applied for various kinds of building licenses. The industry is waiting for 100% loan guarantees from the federal government. It already has the Price-Anderson act which puts a cap on liabilities of private companies in case of, say, accidents caused by faulty plant designs, i.e., they should not be held seriously responsible for their errors. In India the government will have to bring in a similar act for private sector participation. This is the socialism that capitalists love – privatize profits, socialize risks and costs! As for thorium, you first have to master the earlier stages of combining reprocessing and fast breeders. France and Japan, the world leaders in fast breeders, have had such technical problems that their record is terribly erratic. Worldwide, over $100 billion has been spent on this, but prospects for commercial breeder use will remain unrealistic for decades
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by SONU on Jul 15, 2008 09:19 PM Permalink
MYTH_4..Nuclear energy will solve our power needs. Nuclear power currently accounts for around 4000 MW of the total 140,000 MW installed electricity generating capacity in the country excluding captive power plants. After nuclear deal with US, India will generate 20000 MW of electricity againest the demand of 300000 MW to 350000 MW of country demand i.e. just 6-7% of our energy needs.
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by Ajoy Sen on Jul 15, 2008 09:51 PM Permalink
Thanks for writing in detail the myth people have in their mind about the benifits of the Deal.
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by pruodNorth on Jul 15, 2008 09:51 PM Permalink
how u get into this figure that only 20000 MW will be genreated from Nuclear plants after the deal. My undertsanding is limit should be sky only as we will have abundance fuel. Even t he present N plants trun at less than half the capicity ( tarapur etc) will run on full capacity. Have you taken that consederations. Private partership with NRI money is certainly help make N plants all over the country. Forget Thorum at the moment. How about getting uranum from autratlia in big way?
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by SONU on Jul 15, 2008 10:05 PM Permalink
US Government, industry and university studies, like those recently from Princeton, agree that wind turbines and solar panels already exist at an industrial scale and could supply one-third of U.S. electricity needs by 2020, and the vast majority of U.S. electricity by 2050—not just the 20 percent of electricity possible from nuclear energy by 2050. The D.O.E. says wind from only three states (Kansas, North Dakota and Texas) could supply all U.S. electricity needs, and 20 states could supply nearly triple those needs. By 2015, according to the D.O.E., solar panels will be competitive with all conventional energy technologies and will cost 5 to 10 cents per kilowatt hour. Shell Oil and other fossil-fuel companies agree. They are investing heavily in wind and solar.
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by SONU on Jul 15, 2008 10:08 PM Permalink
As Wind energy & solar energy could supply one-third of U.S. electricity needs by 2020, why it can't be for India???
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by SONU on Jul 15, 2008 09:59 PM Permalink
Chidambaram, Principal Scientific Advisor to the Government of India.
"The country's main thrust would be coal-based power in the next 20 years," he said.
Installed capacity of nuclear energy is projected to go up to 20,000 MW by the year 2020 after INDO-US nuclear deal.
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by Loan Shark on Jul 15, 2008 09:55 PM Permalink
screw australia, we can uranium from former soviet republics
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by Indigo on Jul 15, 2008 09:59 PM Permalink
pruodNorth, The question is not just about generation but also commercialization of the production and distribution of the generation. We do not have proper distribution technolgy/infrastructure what are we going to do abouty generation. I work with the worlds best electrical company enagaged in power genartion/distribution, we are far off from International standards
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by Sastry on Jul 15, 2008 09:52 PM Permalink
You are one of the very few people on the board to cite figures and facts. Keep it up.
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by Loan Shark on Jul 15, 2008 09:54 PM Permalink
wind and solar energy is not relaible .... wind plants usually do not produce more that 25-30% of their installed capapcity as wind does not blow at all times.
solar energy is also unreliable. however, it is good to power small consumption when far away from a conventional power source
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by SONU on Jul 15, 2008 09:41 PM Permalink
Dear Sumod Wind energy & solar energy can complete our energy needs for future. India has a large coastal area to generate electricity through winds. At present solar energy is not econimical but research is going on to improve the efficiency of solar cells.
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by DeeRags on Jul 15, 2008 10:07 PM Permalink
Sonu, The objective here is not to cover 100% of India's energy requirement. Nuclear power can take a small slice of the total pie. Albeit nuclear waste disposal is a big concern. But in future with research on better nuclear waste disposal, there is hope. In any case we will be better off from our present condition. Solar and wind energy also can only form a thin slice of the pie. The bulk has to come from fossil fuels and nuclear with ongoing research about alternative fuels. With time fossil and/or nuclear can be reduced. Its like a balancing equation.
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by SONU on Jul 15, 2008 10:11 PM Permalink
US Government, industry and university studies, like those recently from Princeton, agree that wind turbines and solar panels already exist at an industrial scale and could supply one-third of U.S. electricity needs by 2020, and the vast majority of U.S. electricity by 2050—not just the 20 percent of electricity possible from nuclear energy by 2050. The D.O.E. says wind from only three states (Kansas, North Dakota and Texas) could supply all U.S. electricity needs, and 20 states could supply nearly triple those needs. By 2015, according to the D.O.E., solar panels will be competitive with all conventional energy technologies and will cost 5 to 10 cents per kilowatt hour. Shell Oil and other fossil-fuel companies agree. They are investing heavily in wind and solar.
If Wind energy & solar energy could supply one-third of U.S. electricity needs by 2020, why it can't be for India???
MM Singh - A Lier, Cheater, Deceiver, Fraud. He and his Italian master are the master of these methods. Thats why George Farnandes said, that Italian woman is a habitual lier. We have not forgot, MM Singh said before dissolving Bihar assembly, there is a worst type of horse trading going on in Bihar. Then in the midnight, he cheated president Kalam in Moscow to get singed a paper to dissolve Bihar Assembly. Before surrise, Bihar assembly dissolved. What happned later? Supreme Court slapt on two faces of this fraud, lier and chear Singh. They made Buta Singh a scapegoat. List goes on. On nuclear issue, MM Singh never sopke a word of truth. Lies are his defense.
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by yadlapalli rao on Jul 15, 2008 09:27 PM Permalink
That was effect of Bahu Indian conditions we are sayiing since centuries Bahu can resolve issues and make it broadre and also teh family issues can make it prolonged
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by Prakash Asrani on Jul 15, 2008 10:05 PM Permalink
Bharat Kr, You are fit only for Bangarus knickerwalas. Horse trading should not worry knickerwalas since there are no horses, only donkeys in B(ad) J(oker) Party.
RE:MM Singh - A Lier, Cheater, Deceiver, Fraud
by Loan Shark on Jul 15, 2008 09:34 PM Permalink
Manmohan Singh is the best PM that India has ever had. You BJP wallahs have nothing on Sonia except for her foreign origin. Yet she wins from her constituency everytime with record margin.
RE:MM Singh - A Lier, Cheater, Deceiver, Fraud
by Sastry on Jul 15, 2008 09:56 PM Permalink
I am sure you are aware of the fact that your view is held by the minority.
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by Mainbola on Jul 15, 2008 09:36 PM Permalink
You low-lying SOB, how can you call the Prime Minister such names????Have you lost your mind???Manmohan Singh has a record of never hankering for position or post....Butate how will you know that...you are an uneducated disgrace, a shamless shamster, at least value your cpountry's Prime Minister's age, academice, honesty and integrity,,,,But then how will wretch like you know these words, you with you slum family and characterless upbringing
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by sudhir dhas on Jul 15, 2008 10:03 PM Permalink
Jiske against ho behenji... woh sarkar nahi chalegi...
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by Sam Nath on Jul 15, 2008 09:45 PM Permalink
Hey Mainbola, We are not following a cult where if you denounce MO, you will be killed. In our country we are allowed to criticize anybody and everybody. This is not Saudi Arabia.
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by Loan Shark on Jul 15, 2008 09:51 PM Permalink
you can critisize all you want, but that will not change the reality.
RE:RE:RE:MM Singh - A Lier, Cheater, Deceiver, Fraud
by sudhir dhas on Jul 15, 2008 10:06 PM Permalink
abhi time aa gaya he.. ki videshiyon ko bahar bhagane ka...
RE:RE:MM Singh - A Lier, Cheater, Deceiver, Fraud
by Sastry on Jul 15, 2008 10:00 PM Permalink
There are hundreds of other equally scholarly people if not better. There is nothing unique about the MMS that he stands head and shoulders above the rest. Certainly he is more qualified than most of us here. But that does not make him a super human. The only superlative quality I find in him is his loyalty to High Command.
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by sudhir dhas on Jul 15, 2008 10:14 PM Permalink
jo ek begger ki qulaity hoti he... ek aaisa sikh ..jiske hone par khud ... guru govind singhji ko bhi rona aata hoga... sikhon me yeh namard kaise paida ho gaya... yeh sikh nahi .... sikh jane jate he .. apni juzharu instinct ke liye...yeh to har jagah se hi... jhuka huwa he...
RE:MM Singh - A Lier, Cheater, Deceiver, Fraud
by Sastry on Jul 15, 2008 10:20 PM Permalink
Yes. I am proud of the Sikhs who have valor and guts to face the hardships. I love their sturdiness. But for their presence in the armed forces, I think we would have been "back to the future" when the Iron Man united hundreds of small princely states. Somehow, I do not find these great qualities of a Sikh in our PM except his loyalty to the High Command.
We have 23 stations already working but how we use it and all the details are secret and we are at nobody mercy to disclose.
IF WE AGREE TO SOME CONDITIONS THEN WE HAVE TO OPEN ALL THE UNITS( PLUS NEW 14 UNITS) FOR 24X7 INSPECTIONS AND WE ARE NOT USE FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS OF MILITARY USE.(US DOES NOT GIVE SUPPORT IF WE ARE ATTCKED)
Venkaiah Naidu in the last line in the above article states that we are opposed to the nuclear deal in its present form, but does not specify what or why! In fact, none of the BJP leaders have ever stated that or mentioned what is it that they object specifically and would like the govt of India to change! Is it because they don't know and are opposing for the sake of opposition ?
RE:BJP and the Nuclear Deal
by Ezhil Maran on Jul 15, 2008 09:19 PM Permalink
As per the BJP, it is opposing the fact that intrusive inspections are to be agreed to and the fact that no more nuclear testing can happen.
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by jayram joshi on Jul 15, 2008 09:57 PM Permalink
You yourself pointed the problem. The deal has not been discussed or disclosed to anyone. The govt is ready to discuss it with NSG, IAEA or all other foreign countries but is not ready to table it in parliament which should be the supreme body in any democracy. Why doesnt govt come clean and publish draft of agreements they are planning to reach? Because they have a lot to hide?
RE:BJP and the Nuclear Deal
by Prakash Asrani on Jul 15, 2008 09:10 PM Permalink
Venky trying to be oversmart. Thinks everybody other than knickerwalas do not understand their duplicity. In his quest for PM' chair, 82 year old budhavoo has lost his marbles.
"We are all for strategic ties with the US. But we are opposed to the nuclear deal in its present form," BJP leader Venkaiah Naidu But neither the BJP or any of its leaders including Venkaiah Naidu has ever stated what is it that they would like to change in its present form! It gives one the impression that the BJP is opposing for the sake of opposition!
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by don dicosta on Jul 15, 2008 09:11 PM Permalink
We have 23 stations already working but how use it and all the details are secreat and we are at nobody mercy to disclose.
IF WE AGREE TO SOME CONDITIONS THEN WE HAVE TO OPEN ALL THE UNITS( PLUS NEW 14 UNITS) FOR 24X7 INSPECTIONS AND WE ARE NOT USE FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENTS OF MILITARY USE.(US DOES NOT GIVE SUPPORT IF WE ARE ATTCKED)
