RE:The more the Left tries to spread their message. The more people will hate them.
by Ram Sharma on Jul 14, 2008 10:26 PM Permalink
Which parties u call as nationalistic? BJP & Left r the only parties, which hv some principles. all others r either controlled personally like SP (Mulayam), TC (Mamata), AIADMK (Jailalitha), BJD (Navin Patnaik), BSP (Mayawati), RLD (Ajit Singh), NCP (Sharad Pawar), MNS (Raj Thakre) etc. or controlled by a dynasty like Congress (Sonia Parivar), JD (S) (Devegouda Parivar), RJD (Lalu Parivar), Shiv Sena (Bal Thakre Parivar), Akali (Badal Parivar), NC (Farook Abdulla Parivar), DMK (Karunanidhi Parivar) etc.
Left claim to follow ideology: fine. The question is Can they consider their idelogy to be above national interests? A deal that's clearly loaded in India's favour is obsessively opposed by Left- just because US is involved !! And the less said about Left making noises about India's independant foreign policy. For Half-century after independance, India was junior-partner to USSR/Communist-block, and that's considered OK ?? And what about Left supporting Mayawati (who has 96-properties), Left's amnesia on corruption. Cominf to fighting Communal forces- Left implicity working with BJP to bringdown Congress.
RE:What's Left's ideology
by Ram Sharma on Jul 14, 2008 10:23 PM Permalink
BJP & Left r the only parties, which hv some principles. all others r either controlled personally like SP (Mulayam), TC (Mamata), AIADMK (Jailalitha), BJD (Navin Patnaik), BSP (Mayawati), RLD (Ajit Singh), NCP (Sharad Pawar) etc. or controlled by a dynasty like Congress (Sonia Parivar), JD (S) (Devegouda Parivar), RJD (Lalu Parivar), Shiv Sena (Bal Thakre Parivar), Akali (Badal Parivar), NC (Farook Abdulla Parivar), DMK (Karunanidhi Parivar) etc.
Three systems of governance have been followed in the world recently. Capitalism, Communism & Dictatorship. Dictatorship is the rule by one person or family, which means the governance will b based on whims of a person or falimy and hence this would b a useless system.
Capitalism and Communism both have some good and bad points. A system should b developed combining good factors of both systems. Developed capitalist countries have already adopted some communistic ideas, such as unemployment dole, free health service, benefits for the old etc. Similarly, Communist China started adopting Capitalism in industry in 1979. I was in China last yr for 15 days, but I could not understand its policy. Communist Party is the only party in the country and it is ruling there. Still big companies r in public sector, but probably there is no state control over them. There were newspaper reports (read in flight) that relatives of communist leaders r getting many lucrative projects.
Development just for the sake of it is also useless. GNP as the meter for growth needs to b replaced by Happiness Index. Happiness of people in developed countries has not at all incresed during last 50 yrs, it has even decreased slightly. Once basic needs get fulfilled, money does not increase happiness on a permanent basis. See the fight between Ambani brothers. Is the mother of richest persons in India happy? But we r polluting air and water in the name of development, resulting in global warming. Stop it.
RE:Combining two systems of governance
by Ram Sharma on Jul 14, 2008 09:48 PM Permalink
& u must b the most intelligent person to say that I am stupid. U r a blind person, who does not try to see others' point of view. Whatever u say must b supported by all.
Yes Communism is said to b the dictatorship of the proletariat. But it is different from a single person and family's dictatorship. I had said that both systems hv plus & minus points.
RE:Combining two systems of governance
by Joseph George on Jul 15, 2008 11:20 AM Permalink
Communism is the greatest evil You may argue Leninism is greater Stalinism greater than Leninism Maoism greater than Stalinism You will see a sadder personal breed of Maoism in Nepal. It will be sadder for India than all the wars and anarchism we have been through in the 20th Century. And it always done FOR the people.
The worst genocides of the 20th Century Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,000 Jozef Stalin (USSR, 1932-39) 23,000,000 (the purges plus Ukraine's famine) Adolf Hitler (Germany, 1939-1945) 12,000,000 (concentration camps and civilians WWII) Hideki Tojo (Japan, 1941-44) 5,000,000 (civilians in WWII) Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps) Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000 Ismail Enver (Turkey, 1915) 1,200,000 Armenians Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000 Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000 Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000 Suharto (East Timor, West Papua, Communists, 1966-98) 800,000 Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000 Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987) 570,000 Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1971) vs Bangladesh 500,000 Fumimaro Konoe (Japan, 1937-39) 500,000? (Chinese civilians) Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000 Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000 Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000 Yahya Khan (Bangladesh, 1970-1971) 300,000 Benito Mussolin
RE:Combining two systems of governance
by Ram Sharma on Jul 14, 2008 10:13 PM Permalink
Open yr own eys first before asking others to do so.
USR was a communist country and it had become super power under communism. The person sent in space was from Russia. Initially it progressed very fast. As I told u there r plus & minus points of communism. Capitalist countries started social welfare schemes, only after communism took shape. These were plus points of communism, which they copied. China also made much progress during Mao. They developed infrastructure, defence, literacy etc., which was much better that India. Mao solved the language problem by implementing one language and script in the country. China could implement one child norm since 1979, curbing population growth. Population growth in China is 0.6%, compared to world average of 1.2% and India's 1.6%. Though we hv only 2.4% of world's land, we hv 16% of its population and still growing fast. Cuba produces some of world's best boxers every few yrs, after some of them cross over to USA.
But there is a big minus in Communism, that is there is no competition as no one can hv private property.
U must learn to see both sides of a coin.
Biggest advantage of Capitalism is competitiveness. If there is no fair competition, it becomes a disadvantage for the society and on most occassions unfair means r adopted. Best example is the fight between Ambani brothers, accusing each other of malpractices. Corruption is more in Capitalism, which in Communism is curbed, as noone can hv any private property.
maybe more than relics(which they already are), the commies are more like clowns on the Indian political landscape. 25 years of cpm rule has sent back bengal by 50 years, kerala is no better! it seems they have all the solutions for India, its another thing that none of these work in the states they rule in. But will they learn? ofcourse not! not even if there chinese friends want them to!! its a tragedy that the indian republic has to put up with the likes of such people.
