Vote for John McCain. Obama will raise taxes so that rest of us can pay for democrats insane welfare programs. America is a capitalist country damm it. There are supposed to be poor people & rich people. Capital gains tax will go way up & my dividends in smoke. Demoncrats have already turned Mexifornia into a welfare state. Vote Republican: Low taxes for us all and bombs for Muslim terrorists. BTW I am not a Christian nutjob or a christian like republicans, but I do believe in guns & guts.
BTW what the hell is wrong with Israel...kneeling before Muslim terrorists ?
I find the article full of prejudices starting from very first line. In each and every election, a community gets divided and that is the true color of democracy. This is natural process of election.
Like author, some Indians and Indian Americans insist that the Democrats are a lot better for India than Republicans. This is a myth. Either of them have national interest first (there is nothing wrong in having so) but going back to recent history: - Only trade senctions slapped on India in past 25 year was in 1998 (when Democrats were ruling) after the nuclear tests - Clinton administration have sold maximum arms to Pakistan in history - India-US trade has flourished three fold after George Bush took charge. A stark contrast - Clinton kept on pushing CTBT and NPT while Bush has scrapped that plan and has offered Nuclear Deal - State of NJ (a democratic governer) was the first that banned outsourcing service for government bodies. - In past Hillary Clinton and Obama have uttered that they are against outsourcing - Bunch of Democrats simply hates India: Barbara Crossette, Madeleine Albright, and Christina Rocca and Robin Raphel are all democrats. To cut short, check their history and doings to India.
So dear Indian Americans, I do not have any dislikes for Obama but please do not just vote for Democrats thinking that they are good for India, in general. It is completely the opposite.
RE:Full of prejudices
by ebguy on Jul 14, 2008 10:54 PM Permalink
Are you a Patel really?:)) Just curious. Reeva Ben :)) We need Change!!!..Outsourcing is not the long term viable solution long term.You know thats its just for cost redcution affecting Indian Professionals settled here in the IT industry. There are no sanctions for India now. India is a great country & will be self suffcient. India will rise with its own power. US is still soft towards some countries in Indias neighbour where Obama will take stiff action and hit them hard. This is change. No one is forcing anyone to vote for a paricular candidate. But if you follow the facts you will know whats right and whats wrong. One last point stark contrast is state of the economy now compared to last eight years. If you can fill up my gas tank, I would really appreciate it :))
RE:Full of prejudices
by Reeva Patel on Jul 15, 2008 12:13 AM Permalink
Ebguy -World has became flat and business has gone global and outsourcing is here to stay. Its not matter who suffers, it is where there is scale of economy. Its not only America that suffers, Indian manufacturing sector, for example, is facing tougher challenges from the Chinese. My posting is complete India centric and crux of that is ‘Democrats are good for India’ is a prejudice. And to your point, Obama has no control over what gets bid for Oil futures. If you cannot fill your gas tank, no one will. Sorry, pal you need to survive on your own. Obama will not help you as you have pointed out in case of India.
RE:Full of prejudices
by ebguy on Jul 15, 2008 12:52 AM Permalink
I do not need any help from you to fill up my gas tank.If you see Smiley face..I hope you get the point. One cannot ignore Oil prices. Time will only tell if outsourcing is here to stay long term. May be we can check back in few years if its helpful to India. Countries like Phillipines, Indonesia, Thailand, South Korea were the hubs of manufacturing (cheap) in 80's, you know where they are now in terms of their economies. One cannot ignore the fact that Americans are suffering & Economy is the issue number one. There is something wrong if 80% of the poulation thinks country is going in wrong direction. Lets assume Democrats may not be good for India. We live here and we should give some thoughts to Indians living here in the United States & how the economy is affecting them. As I mentioned before, India is the largest Democracy in the world and it will find ways strengthen itself. India has a population of a Billion people and it can manufacture and supply to people at home. Its other countries who need access to Indian markets. But tell me one thing are you seriously Reeva Patel??:)) Ben We need change!!!!
RE:RE:Full of prejudices
by Reeva Patel on Jul 15, 2008 01:34 AM Permalink
Do you think pains for US economy will be addressed by Obama better than McCain? May be or may not be but that's not where I am going. I am pointing to a stereotype about ‘Democrats for India’ (and you have one more of your own about ‘Patel’ and ‘Female’ but that's your own to deal with ). The population you want me to ‘assume’ is rather small (about 1% of US Population) verses what I am pointing (17% of World). And exactly that is the difference in our perspective. Now apply dose of your own medicine to yourself and think – if a largest democracy can find ways to strengthen itself, why can’t a largest economy strengthen by itself? Does it really need Obama or McCain? Can write more on that but that would be a ‘tangent’ to the discussion here. Finally going to your example to Asian countries you have incorrect analogy. South Korea has transformed itself to one of the economic powers. In other countries you have listed, the manufacturers are not local companies but western businesses and that is THE difference between India-Korea and Philippines-Thailand. Good Luck with your ‘audacity of hopes’ with Obama.
RE:Full of prejudices
by ebguy on Jul 15, 2008 02:13 AM Permalink
So can you please remove my stereo typical doubts about you and tell me once for all who you are or you are who you are? Yes there is a difference between your thoughts and my as I just gave you examples. You try to fix whats broken here and then go around talking about global perspective. Largest economy cannot strengthen itself IF IT'S THE LARGEST EXPORTER OF JOBS IN THE WORLD. Just Google for South Korean Economy and you will get the facts. Western companies you mention were from the Largest economy of the world. And my point is those companies can close their businesses and move somewhere else just as they are doing here and BPO businesses in India. If you are real American you should always keep your hopes alive. I am not saying whether one candidate is good or bad. You said does it need Mccain or Obama ...IT Needs CHANGE as old ways are not working.
RE:RE:Full of prejudices
by Reeva Patel on Jul 15, 2008 03:45 AM Permalink
LOL ebguy LOL... Did you Google South Korean economy before writing here? Not sure what you undertood from there :-) To make things easy, just check wikipedia. Information there is not challenging to process.
Again, I am not about fixing things in US. As I told repeatedly - my interest is to think about India. Is it too difficult for you to understand such simple thing OR is it because you are from Pandu/Ganpat clan that cannot expect a female outsmarting male :-) You are egomaniac. Aren't you?
If exporter of job in world cannot strengthen, how can you expect democracy that is run partially by thugs to prosper?
RE:Full of prejudices
by ebguy on Jul 15, 2008 05:26 AM Permalink
ROFL..So I made you read about South Korean Economy..I am from the land of Daksaben and Popatbhai :)..Egomaniac..Hunnn..What? :)Ok ..What am I going to get if you defeat me or I defeat you? Although you are not about fixing things in US, I am for fixing things in India as well as USA...Anyway enough of this now..
RE:Full of prejudices
by Shahid Kachwala on Jul 15, 2008 03:25 AM Permalink
abe ebguy - you are not understanding what ms. patel is saying. You are taking it to different page of your imaginary world. are you writing for just sake of it as you seem to be running out of logic. But, I am agree with you on one thing - Go Obama...
RE:Full of prejudices
by Nandakumar Chandran on Jul 19, 2008 03:36 PM Permalink
what is good for indian americans is not necessarily what is good for india. that's the key issue which would be understood. for indian americans the democrats might be the right choice. but for india the republicans are the better choice.
RE:RE:Full of prejudices
by Nandakumar Chandran on Jul 19, 2008 03:44 PM Permalink
also most indians are professional/prosperous and do not need welfare or lenient immigration policies that the illegal immigrants do. so even in that count i do not think that the traditional immigrant appeal of democrats applies to the NRI. in contrast the pro-industry republicans present way better opportunities in the advancement both professional and immigrant status.
When he tries to deilver a message, I wonder if he is awake or speakin as if he is zombie. Now lets get the facts. With Advisors like Phil Gramm no one needs economic speeches. There wont be any changes in taxes for families making upto 250k. And after that I see the same whining about Liberal, Rev.Wright, Fear Tactics. Cuba has been having same policy for last 50 years out of which MCSAME was there for 30 years. Young Cubans in Florida want to travel to their country and meet relatives. If same MCSAME was running with MCSAME from 2000, Both wont vote for each other. So MCSAME has foreign affairs experience. Ok lets start giving him lessons as to how to read telepromptor and not to laugh at his own speech lines. I wonder if people who posts comments here are real Indians? :)).VOTE FOR CHANGE..NO MCSAME..
RE:No MCSAME
by Nimesh Dikshit on Jul 14, 2008 09:55 PM Permalink
vote for change, for the sake of change. without knowing what the change really would be? Is the height of IDIOTIC MENTALITY. I am not the one. All the change he talked about during primary are now changed, or for the better word - filp-flopped. But you can't blame him for changing his stands, because that is what he preaches - right? Change.
RE:No MCSAME
by ebguy on Jul 14, 2008 10:12 PM Permalink
Nimesh, Change is to transform old ways. As I said if MCCAIN From 2000 was there with MCCAIN of Now both wont shake hands with each other.Probably wont recognize each other. Its ok If you are not the one. There are plenty more with different views than you. What about Phil Gramm? Is he still in his Economic Advisory Committee? Or Phil Gramm is with him in his Imaginary Economic Committee?
RE:No MCSAME
by Nimesh Dikshit on Jul 15, 2008 04:41 AM Permalink
missed the point and pun both. Just in case of Riva patel - man as a novice blogger you are doing great!
RE:No MCSAME
by ebguy on Jul 16, 2008 02:52 AM Permalink
Hey Nimesh, Can you please explain MCCAIN differences between Shiya & Sunni? Please don't forget to mention MCCAIN about Czech Republic and Slovakia also ( He referred to it as Czechoslovkia today in his speech.) That would help him a lot. Also, Please mention him not to deliver his speech looking down. You don't seem to be understand my post, study hard do some research & you will get the answers.
Indian Americans should never vote for Obama. Voting for Obama would hurt them severely. Most Indian Americans are well educated with a significant amount of families making 100K or more per annum. Barack plans to increase the taxes of such families to 40% The Social Security taxes are currently capped off for 97.5K. Per Obama's plan families will pay SS taxes on pretty much every penny they earn. Mr. Obama claims he is bipartisan. Yet, he is the most liberal senator in the US senate. He is a far far far far left candidate. How can a guy on one end of the spectrum claim to be bipartisan? Besides, his coterie is filled to the brim with committed lefties like George Malley, Teddy, Samantha Power, Michael Moore, George Soros. No sane man will ever forget the type of ads Moveon.org a committed Obama supporter ran on Gen. David Petreus. The baby Alex Ad is now world famous. The most viscious attacks in this election campaign has come from BHO supporters like Jeremiah Wright, Fr. Pfleger etc. So much for being a candidate of change. BHO says "Iran, Venezuela and Cuba are tiny countries" - reflecting his immaturity and lack of knowledge on foreign affairs. Mr. Obama has no policy for national security. Mr. Obama does not have an energy policy. He does not want to drill and doesnt support gas tax holiday. He doesnt want nuclear power. Nobody knows what he wants... Mr. NAKORE, when you vote for Obama this November make sure you have your ONE WAY ticket to India in hand.
RE:McCain is the right choice
by y on Jul 17, 2008 05:05 AM Permalink
You are dammn right! Obama is welfare communist. Wants to give our hard earned money to bums. If you are doing well & want to do even better vote republican. Low taxes & no socialism.
RE:McCain is the right choice
by ebguy on Jul 17, 2008 06:13 PM Permalink
Was Obama the one who bailed out Bear Stearns? Was under Oabama plan being developed to bail out Fannie & Freddie? How about Indymac? No Socialism? Isn't Socialism to bail out corporations? Who is paying for it? I bet taxpayers are. 85 percent of people think economy is tanking. You bet MCSame buddies are giving our hard money to bum corporations & bailing them out..VOTE FOR CHANGE
RE:McCain is the right choice
by ebguy on Jul 17, 2008 08:49 PM Permalink
Wait for a little while more when some more banks go belly up & then we will see where the socialism is!!There are about 90 or more banks waiting in line :-)..so much for your capitalism..CAPITALISM SHOULD NOT BE SOCIALISM BUT..IT SHOULD BE SUSTAINABLE & FAIR!!!Stand in one of those lines in front of IndyMac to get a real dose of capitalism :)
RE:McCain is the right choice
by y on Jul 18, 2008 09:27 PM Permalink
Bear Sterns bailout wasn't really a full scale bailout. people lost lot of money. As to those people who were standing in line at Indy's they were stupid. Deposits upto 100K are FDIC insured. You would have to be really dumb to keep millions in one single savings account. Change eh! that's what will be left in your pockets if BOH becomes next president. He already has plans to raise cap gains to 25 %
RE:McCain is the right choice
by ebguy on Jul 19, 2008 02:55 PM Permalink
25% will be rate you will pay if you are making above 250k. What do u mean full scale bailout? Bailout is a Bailout!! Taxpayers paid 29 Bil. Without that JP Morgan would not have been interested in the deal. Why not let it go baily up if you are so confident of Capitalism? Are you aware how IndyMac was born? Remember Countrywide? Another great story. Now that the great whining Gramm is gone lets talk about Fiorina another advisor whose work is so legendary at HP that she was shown the door. How about Bailout? Is it Socialism? :))
First of all, equating McCain to Bush is like equating Sardar to Nehru. So get your background clear. McCain is no Bush. I did not vote for Bush, and I had discouraged many to vote for him. But alas, But I would vote McCain - since hillary was the right candidate for the post and Democratic Party took my vote for granted and raised Obama based on the results of the republican states. If the super delegates of all the Blue states - where Hillary had won - had supported Hillary based on the popular demand of that state, Obama had no chance. But the Democratic Machine thought people in NJ,NY,CA etc are going to vote for Dems anyway, so lets please our Red States. So go ahead. I would have gladly supported any democratic candidate against Hillary if he/she had won considerable blue states. Obama did not win any blue state except for IL. I do not want anyone to take my vote for GRANTED. Hillary clinton is ditched and wronged, if you do not feel that then you are oppertunistic politician, we are civilians and we have our own brains. Its time to teach lesson or two to the democratic party.
Secondly I don't think McCain is Bush. Thirdly, can you please tell me how many flip flops This inexperienced guy called Obama did after the primary? Now he is even compromising on Iraq policy too. He compromised and changed more then 7 issues, and now adopting all the plans of Hillary and others. I simply can not trust this guy Its better to have a known devil then unknown. get it?
I was a Hillary Supporter and would not vote for Obama. There are numerous reasons for that other then his own books and what he stands for. He is anti national, and i don't like those people. If he partied with folks who are anti national - even after being in state senate and Senate - is alarming. His hesitation in distancing his pastor at a first stroke - is yet another instance why no lover of America should vote for him. His stand for his friends and fellowers is no differenct what he learned as a Muslim in Indonatia. The Islam always teaches to stand by your fellow Muslims, even when he is wrong. And that's the brotherhood. His hesitation to distance himself from rezko, pastor, khan (of islamic society ) are nothing but what he learned in his childhood. His statement on Hillary for being a senator of Punjab - is taken by many First generation Indians as a Blatently racist. Now the second and third generation Indians, obviously do not feel that much for India as the first generation indians do. Also his only foreign policy experience is his visit to Pakistan when he was 19 - as his own campaign had mentioned. Well I would be afraid to vote for him, since his presidency might result in direct threat to my relatives in India. He would easily create a Kosovo like situation in India - if India under next NDA rule, try to get rid of Bangladeshi muslims from India. Once again, this issue is at a very heart of first generation indians then the second or third generation ones.
I was a Hillary Supporter and would not vote for Obama. There are numerous reasons for that other then his own books and what he stands for. He is anti national, and i don't like those people. If he partied with folks who are anti national - even after being in state senate and Senate - is alarming. His hesitation in distancing his pastor at a first stroke - is yet another instance why no lover of America should vote for him. His stand for his friends and fellowers is no differenct what he learned as a Muslim in Indonatia. The Islam always teaches to stand by your fellow Muslims, even when he is wrong. And that's the brotherhood. His hesitation to distance himself from rezko, pastor, khan (of islamic society ) are nothing but what he learned in his childhood. His statement on Hillary for being a senator of Punjab - is taken by many First generation Indians as a Blatently racist. Now the second and third generation Indians, obviously do not feel that much for India as the first generation indians do. Also his only foreign policy experience is his visit to Pakistan when he was 19 - as his own campaign had mentioned. Well I would be afraid to vote for him, since his presidency might result in direct threat to my relatives in India. He would easily create a Kosovo like situation in India - if India under next NDA rule, try to get rid of Bangladeshi muslims from India. Once again, this issue is at a very heart of first generation indians then the second or third generation ones.
Obama is wrong on almost all the issues. This article does not support lot Indian Americans supporting John McCain. He is wrong on Energy/Iraq/Tax/etc. American do not like losers. Obama accepted defeat in Iraq. Surge is working and we are winning and we will bring troops home with victory
