first of all india should understand that kashmir is a disputed territory because any conflicts arises any where especially when it is a matter of land; it has become the disputed area. Indian troops deputed in Kashmir, who violating human rights regularly. If India wants really a solution of Kashmir issue then first of all she should remove her army from the land of haven. The Indian Army made the land of haven to land of hell. The solution of Kashmir issue is only to provide absolute autonomy to the Kashmiri people.
RE:Pakistan for out of the box settlement to Kashmir issue
by praveen thakur on Jul 12, 2008 04:16 PM Permalink
sind, baluchistan and north-west frontier province also asks for independence. They dont want to remain a part of pakistan. This is also a disputed area. Solve it forst then talk Kashmir. The only solution of Kashmir Issue is to abolish Article-370.
RE:Pakistan for out of the box settlement to Kashmir issue
by praveen thakur on Jul 12, 2008 04:13 PM Permalink
yes sind, north-west frontier province and baluchistan is also a disputed land and pak should return it back to India as they dont want to remain a part of pakistan
RE:Pakistan for out of the box settlement to Kashmir issue
by Milind Sovani on Jul 12, 2008 04:11 PM Permalink
Mr. Zuber Khan if you are pakistani then yuor cocomments are right. Other wise not good one. Silution of problem as under:- Pakistan should vacate POK. Pakistan should get back area of POK given to china (As if fathers property) If it is not possible to get vacate china occupied area then Lahor should hand over to India. Pay at least $1000 crore to India in compentation of spreading terrorisum loss of life of citizen & military.
RE:Pakistan for out of the box settlement to Kashmir issue
by Vivek Harry on Jul 12, 2008 03:57 PM Permalink
no more autonomy, because the rights of minorities are being trampled upon in Islamic states
RE:RE:Pakistan for out of the box settlement to Kashmir issue
by Maha Shraaddh on Jul 12, 2008 04:28 PM Permalink
Zuber,
Indian Armed forces have saved the honour of Kashmiri Girls. These Sudanese, Dardis, Baltis, Chechens, pakhtoons, Wazirtaniz are sex hounds roaming across Kashmir to enjoy beautiful Kashmiri women. They are told "Heaven on Earth is Kashmir and Hoors are here for asking".
RE:Pakistan for out of the box settlement to Kashmir issue
by praveen thakur on Jul 12, 2008 04:13 PM Permalink
yes sind, north-west frontier province and baluchistan is also a disputed land and pak should return it back to India as they dont want to remain a part of pakistan
RE:Pakistan for out of the box settlement to Kashmir issue
by Barindranath Trivedi on Jul 12, 2008 03:57 PM Permalink
Actualy speaking POK is the disputed territory and not Kashmir. There is no democracy or electuions in POK Why? The only solution is Pak should leave POK and handover the same to India and then let Kashmiri Pandits be allowed to resettle in Kashmir. Thereafter let the people of the combined kashmir pandits - people settled in POK after 1947 will decide about their fate and not Pak Foreign minister. He is serious then let him come out with this proposal.
Trust the Pakistanis? When we don;t een know who's in charge over there? In any case, over the last 1000 years, Muslim enemies of Inda have proven to be fanatics who'd even resort to treachery to cause harm to Hindus. Ghori killed Prithviraj after being spared 17 times. Make no mistake ! The first opportunity Pakistanis get, they'll wring India's neck. Be warned.
What does he mean in realty. It is just another trick to divert attention of the world as Pak is again facing criticism for its involvement in Afganistan blasts. Idiots. They have befooled the US since long but it is waking up to their sychophancy of late. Down with such useless and thoughtless solutions. Does the Indian govt. beleive that Pak is meaning anything?? Noooo. First convince the world and India in particular that terrorist camps have been blasted and all terrorists should be handed over to India, including Dawood. Then after 1 year of observation of all round activities India will be in a position to talk any solution.
RE:Forget about Pakis, what Hindustani Muslims Want ?
by Falcon on Jul 12, 2008 03:17 PM Permalink
Why only the muslims, why dont you ask all Indians. Do Christians (not u in particular)accept Mizoram to be part of India.
RE:Forget about Pakis, what Hindustani Muslims Want ?
by Mind Clear on Jul 12, 2008 03:19 PM Permalink
Pakistan was formed in a box called medieval Islam, so what is there about out of the box, between a flexible modern secular democracy with one law, uniform civil code and gender equality vis-a-via a rigid theocratic orthodoxy of - my way or highway. How do you compare? We are not even comparing apples & oranges here. Another Box comes Out Of The Box ... Christians are not in a Box, we believe in One-Law, Uniform Civil Code & Gender Equality -- like the civilized world all over does.
RE:Forget about Pakis, what Hindustani Muslims Want ?
by Samir Moosa on Jul 12, 2008 03:31 PM Permalink
Does going to a mosque mean acting Medieval? Same rule should then apply to all Church, Mandir, Synagogue, Gurudwara, etc. goers. Christian's have own christian personal law, much like Hindus have HUF law and Muslims have Muslim Personal Law. But all these Personal Laws are only pertaining to personal and family lives and not to criminal activities. For more info, read wiki article on Indian Law. There is no Gender Equality in any religion. You have never heard of a Lady Archbishop or even a Lady head of any Hindu Math. Christian countries or so called Civilised Modern Nations are inherently critical of non-whites, Asian workforce invasion, Islam & Hinduism alike, you can have millions of examples of all these truths. I think you need to have a more clearer mind and open eyes before you make a comment.
RE:Forget about Pakis, what Hindustani Muslims Want ?
by Mind Clear on Jul 12, 2008 03:37 PM Permalink
Your comments show your hypocrisy like any other typical fanatic Muslim. Hence no comments. India is 50% Islamic country surrounded by fools. Muslims are stuck in the rut everywhere. AIMPLB against codification of uniform personal law New Delhi, Jul 7 (PTI) The All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) has asked the Government to reject any proposal to codify uniform personal law for all Muslims irrespective of their sect and school of Islamic jurisprudence. The executive committee of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board is totally opposed to codification of uniform Shariah law as it will empower the state to alter, change, amend, add and delete rules of Shariat, the AIMPLB said in a release here. Any such proposals are "ill-motivated, ill-adviced and these measures have been suggested to pave the way for enactment of Uniform Civil Code and to deprive the Muslims of their fundamental right to get family disputes settled according to the rules of Shariat", it said. This medieval mediocrity in the garb of "Pseudo" Secularism.
RE:Forget about Pakis, what Hindustani Muslims Want ?
by Samir Moosa on Jul 12, 2008 03:44 PM Permalink
Very minutely observed farce. You first said that Muslims were against following Indian Law as they want their own personal law. Now you say that Muslims dont want same personal law for all muslims. Sharia is not a set of laws set in any book. It is an interpretation of various verses in the Quran along with similarity of actions in the Prophets life as interpreted by various religious scholar. I think that is too much for you to understand. But that is ultimate in democracy. The right to follow your religion in the way you interpret your religion. But that is not a concept you can understand. Because all other religions are too rigid which Islam isnt. We love to live in the Medieval times. But others live in either 2000 year old times or some even older.
i really do not understand what has pakistan to do with kashmir .it is a part of india and we do not need other country to tell what to do .first of all our so called leaders whom we elected are to be blamed for this.they dragged this issue so long .
RE:kashmir
by Mind Clear on Jul 12, 2008 03:13 PM Permalink
That is how a Box survives by threatening other Open Systems. Beware of Boxes as they are Foxes.
I think there is no space for talk with Pakistan in Kashmir Issue . Our politician should be firm and should ask them to evacuate PoK in time limit . If we indulge in negotiation that will only show how weak our politicians are. from 1948 to 2008 60 yrs of talk was fruitless.
RE:No talks with pakistan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Mind Clear on Jul 12, 2008 03:12 PM Permalink
Lessons is Life: Never waste time talking to a Box which tries to talk Out Of The Box to put you in the same Box. Rather keep up your guard.
There is a clear failure on the part of our policy makers.We are stuck with unemployed leftists and a cowardly goverment.India must call Pakistan's bluff. After being almost openly blamed by eveyone including Afghanistan for their role in the Kabul blast they want to divert attention by making some noises about Kashmir. This is the same country which has spent all its money earned from US for fighting Russia once upon a time , and then Taliban for formenting trouble in India in a huge way in Punjab,Kashmir,N.E for 20 years. Whenever they are cornered they hoodwink us. Kashmir should be redrawn with POK on our side. The Hurriyat leaders should be locked behind bars and the keys thrown into the Indus. If Pakistan has so much affection for them they should look for the keys. What is unfortunate is that Pakis with their Saville Rows and Sherwanis are the the most sophisticated beggars in the world and each time they come back from America with some goodies. They use that leverage to threaten us and we behave like softies.Each time an incident happens we should not blame Pakistan ( the whole world knows they are responsible!) . Instead we should summon the US ambassador in India and ask for expalanations.We should summon the Chinese ambassador when they test a long range missile. Its high time we started thinking out of the box for a change!!!!In any case we get bullied by all countries big or small .Why dont we also be a little firm in our dealings and see the consequences.
RE:SUDDEN URGE TO SOLVE KASHMIR
by Falcon on Jul 12, 2008 03:07 PM Permalink
Summon the US and Chinesse Ambassadors for explanation. Well and Good. What do you think the two Gentlemen will do after that.
RE:SUDDEN URGE TO SOLVE KASHMIR
by abhishek bali on Jul 12, 2008 03:20 PM Permalink
very well said,ithink not only india shud not react and blame pakis for everything they need to update there intelligence in a big way... from the look of it i guess we lag behind in a lot of aspects of intelligence gathering, action taken on intelligence and also the time has come for india to show its neighbours who da real big brother is in the neighbourhood by some fine thinking on the part of intelligence setup and than leave it to our special forces namely nsg and elite commando groups in da army to execute some swifts endeavers accross into our neighbours, its high time we also start playing proxy proxy, wat r these guys trained for? and y not retaliate by playing proxy? im sure guys sitting in strategic studies institutes know wat im talkin bout? a bloddy country like bangladesh which was created wid our help is harbouring terrorist groups like huji and all our intelligence set has to say after every attack in we had given prior knowledge to the state and they failed to act on it. bloddy if u cant gather good enough intelligence thn atleast cross da borders and do da hot pursuit.... atleast try this option in proxy. if nothing else is working u have to do it. till how long we and the people of this country suffer at the hands of this minisicule population belonging to a particular community which openly says tht for it religion comes first than the nationality. its high time we flex our economic might.
RE:SUDDEN URGE TO SOLVE KASHMIR
by Mind Clear on Jul 12, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
Learn to be aggressive, focussed and committed like Israel, China and other Western countries. Forgive sometimes but never forget anytime ... Have real threat perception and plan ahead. Partition was one of the best things that happened which allowed the separation of psychiatric patients. In some cases unification does not solve anything. As long as Islam does not civilize and secularize itself with Uniform Civil Code and Gender Equality, these problems of Kashmir, Pak, B'desh, Terrorism will continue forever. Partition allowed India to develop and should be maintained. Colonization and partition reinstated the values of education, industrialization, secularism, democracy, one-law at least for non-muslim majority, uniform civil code, gender equality, research, development, science and technology and India continued on the same values of human civilization. Muslims always had a choice to change themselves but instead they want to live separately and those who didn't still want status-quo in the form of personal codes etc. But did they gain anything. Finally, religion is about pushing for higher values and not really status-quo, in terms of what is written in a book and pulling oneself down eventually with lower values. Who divided India? And what was its basis. It was religion. And this misguidance, is now an universal phenomenon. The Europeans & Americans have realized it now. So, they are singing a different tune. Don't drop guard, keep watching as the drama unfolds. Pakist
RE:SUDDEN URGE TO SOLVE KASHMIR
by Mind Clear on Jul 12, 2008 03:07 PM Permalink
Pakistan was formed in a box called medieval Islam, so what is there about out of the box, between a flexible modern secular democracy with one law, uniform civil code and gender equality vis-a-via a rigid theocratic orthodoxy of - my way or highway. How do you compare? We are not even comparing apples & oranges here.
Atlast Pakistani decided to come out of box... good... now the out of box solution is convert LOC to international border... and let live happily forever....
As an Indian, I'm really not ready to swallow giving off PoK and Aksai Chin, just like that.
If nothing can be done, let the status quo remain. Paki pukes are after all never going to cease terrorism, so converting the LoC into the border is a meaningless exercise, except on maps, and there too, as a loss for India.
RE:Atlast Pakistani decided to.....
by shilpa rao on Jul 12, 2008 02:57 PM Permalink
Dear Carrot, you should have power to accept the truth... the POK is with Pakistan since 1947 and Aksai Chin since 1962 with China... just looking at Map... cannot change the reality .... LOC if converted to International border nothing will change other then sketch of map.. and very important issue of conflict between India & Pakistan will change forever... that is why Pakistan confirmed to come out of box...
Hahahha, pardon me for saying this, but your previous comment that's dipped in naivete makes it true that you are the Essential Indian Useful Idiot, Ms. Shilpa Rao!
You really think Pakistan will stop cross-border terrorism, on the premise of a stupid paper treaty?
If I were in charge, I'd label you for treason and see you dealt with, severely.
